WW Ghost Assassin Guide V2.0

NecroWolf said:
Nice guide tienje, like your hybrid zon guide... really great!!

I need some help with claws.. i'm gonna use fury and chaos (looking for a fools against hi-def chars) and my gear will be based on theses claws..

GT, 3MB, 1Weapon block
Feral 2Venom, 1DF, 1MB
both white...
what should i do with them? if keep, what RW should i make in wich one?! and wich one should i use on left hand?
with theses am i able to reach the necessary BPs? using what gear?
sorry, im really noob with sin and my english sux...

tienje can u show us ur claws?

thnx =D
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like always, the claw selection depends on the rest of the gear. sadly, you're going to only be able to use one of those two claws if you want to truly get the best out of your sin (GT is good for venom build while feral is good for physical). if you want to use both just so you don't have to find claws again, make the feral into a chaos and the GT into a fury. use fury as primary, chaos as secondary, and you're good to go with either setup.

my claws:
chaos ~ http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/451/screenshot052dd0.jpg
rare fools ~ http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7251/screenshot051gb4.jpg
fury ~ http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2173/screenshot060bd5.jpg
bartucs ~ http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1204/screenshot059dd6.jpg
fatty fury ~ http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3382/screenshot053yq3.jpg

i mostly stick to the chaos + rare fools, but i'll switch the fools out for the other claws for different situations, like fury for block necros/es sorcs, or eth tucs for my fort setup, etc.



 
I'm finding this build is too hard and complicated for my feeble mind. All of the hotkeys and buffing gets too complicated and I always mess up. It's also not very good for pub duels and BM, just 1vs1. But I'd have no problem with that if it wasn't so hard to play. I know some people have easy time with lots of hotkeys but my fav chars are babas who I've been playi ng since original D2 came out.. so I'm not used to this at all and it honestly feels like a chore to play rather than fun. Also I don't like having to buff all that stuff before every duel... fade, venom, blade shield, shadow master, weapon switch, battle orders, battle command, etc. I'll keep trying to get used to it for the next couple of days but it's not looking good.

Here is my setup and skills:

Claw #1: runic talon's of quickness, 40 ias, fool's, +2 mind blast, 2os with 2x um for 50% ow
Claw #2: chaos runics, 328%, +3 venom
Armor: enigma mage plate
Rings: raven and fcr dex ring
Amulet: highlord's
Gloves: trang
Belt: arach and rare ow belt with 24 fhr, 9% ow, life, etc
Boots: shadow dancers, +2, +22 dex
Helm: +3 shadow, 20 fcr, 2 socket with 2x ber
Misc charms: 19-20 torch, high anni, random sc's
GCs: 34, 37, 38, 40, 40, 7% run walk, fhr, plain, plain
Switch: 6 bo cta, spirit shield, hel'd widowmaker in stash

Skills: 20 venom, 20 claw mastery, 20 mind blast, 1 wake of fire, 1 blade shield, 1 weapon block20+ skill points remaining, I'm lvl 90

My resists suck too.. 2-3 traps kill me, any sorc kills me with 1 shot of anything. Yes, I know more in fade with those 20+ points left but this is not my main concern.. it's the hotkeying and stuff. Remember, I've got a baba's mentality... I'm a baba trying to make the switch to a more comlicated char and it has been disastrous so far. I feel all this gear I traded for has gone to waste. I'm on USEast ladder and my acc is Aloof if anyone wants to help
 
BASHFUL BABA said:
I'm finding this build is too hard and complicated for my feeble mind. All of the hotkeys and buffing gets too complicated and I always mess up. It's also not very good for pub duels and BM, just 1vs1. But I'd have no problem with that if it wasn't so hard to play. I know some people have easy time with lots of hotkeys but my fav chars are babas who I've been playi ng since original D2 came out.. so I'm not used to this at all and it honestly feels like a chore to play rather than fun. Also I don't like having to buff all that stuff before every duel... fade, venom, blade shield, shadow master, weapon switch, battle orders, battle command, etc. I'll keep trying to get used to it for the next couple of days but it's not looking good.

Here is my setup and skills:

Claw #1: runic talon's of quickness, 40 ias, fool's, +2 mind blast, 2os with 2x um for 50% ow
Claw #2: chaos runics, 328%, +3 venom
Armor: enigma mage plate
Rings: raven and fcr dex ring
Amulet: highlord's
Gloves: trang
Belt: arach and rare ow belt with 24 fhr, 9% ow, life, etc
Boots: shadow dancers, +2, +22 dex
Helm: +3 shadow, 20 fcr, 2 socket with 2x ber
Misc charms: 19-20 torch, high anni, random sc's
GCs: 34, 37, 38, 40, 40, 7% run walk, fhr, plain, plain
Switch: 6 bo cta, spirit shield, hel'd widowmaker in stash

Skills: 20 venom, 20 claw mastery, 20 mind blast, 1 wake of fire, 1 blade shield, 1 weapon block20+ skill points remaining, I'm lvl 90

My resists suck too.. 2-3 traps kill me, any sorc kills me with 1 shot of anything. Yes, I know more in fade with those 20+ points left but this is not my main concern.. it's the hotkeying and stuff. Remember, I've got a baba's mentality... I'm a baba trying to make the switch to a more comlicated char and it has been disastrous so far. I feel all this gear I traded for has gone to waste. I'm on USEast ladder and my acc is Aloof if anyone wants to help
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i've gotten used to the buffing, though i can see if you are doing BM duels and don't need to wait for "go's", it might be tough. its pretty quick though, even though we have quite a few buffs. switch to cta ->bc -> bo -> fade -> venom -> blade shield, then switch back to claws and you're good to go. its just like casting 4-5 buffs in a row. theres no need to switch back to claws before casting venom/fade if you don't have +skills on your claws, especially because your cta + spirit switch already gives +3 to those skills.

before you give up, change a couple of things and give it another try. try and stick with one of the setups listed in the guide. if you're lacking res, switch your highlords to a maras, and 15ias/15res + jah your helm. place enough of your 20 points into fade to get 50% dr and get claw block to 60%. i really want to switch out your sdancers, but i get the feeling that you've built for the high str req/+dex already.

i think once you get your gear/resists settled and get used to the build, you'll start to see the ghost as a very viable choice for BM/pubs.

EDIT: don't feel bad if it doesn't work out for you though; it might just be that the ghost doesn't match your style. i know a lot of my friends absolutely fail at playing the ghost, even though they're quite exquisite with other characters.



 
I believe that you had said a fools, swift(30ias) GT would still hit bp earlier to me. Would that mean 40ias, fools BT hit bp? I'm going venom as I had mentioned earlier so the damage doesn't really mean much, or does it?
 
DayDream said:
I believe that you had said a fools, swift(30ias) GT would still hit bp earlier to me. Would that mean 40ias, fools BT hit bp? I'm going venom as I had mentioned earlier so the damage doesn't really mean much, or does it?
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with 2 GT's, you need 42% ias, so if you're going to use a 15IAS jewel in your helm, you can get away with just 30% ias in your primary.



 
Er, so it's a yes? I'm going to 15ias/resist my helm so, 40ias fools BT would work, right?
Found a 30ias fools runics but only got one socket so i'm going to dump it.
 
DayDream said:
Er, so it's a yes? I'm going to 15ias/resist my helm so, 40ias fools BT would work, right?
Found a 30ias fools runics but only got one socket so i'm going to dump it.
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IAS and WSM aren't the same thing, so they don't just get added together. BT = -20 WSM, and GT = -30 WSM, so the average is -25.

you need 52% IAS with -25 average WSM.



 
BASHFUL BABA said:
I'm finding this build is too hard and complicated for my feeble mind. All of the hotkeys and buffing gets too complicated and I always mess up. It's also not very good for pub duels and BM, just 1vs1. But I'd have no problem with that if it wasn't so hard to play. I know some people have easy time with lots of hotkeys but my fav chars are babas who I've been playi ng since original D2 came out.. so I'm not used to this at all and it honestly feels like a chore to play rather than fun. Also I don't like having to buff all that stuff before every duel... fade, venom, blade shield, shadow master, weapon switch, battle orders, battle command, etc. I'll keep trying to get used to it for the next couple of days but it's not looking good.

Here is my setup and skills:

Claw #1: runic talon's of quickness, 40 ias, fool's, +2 mind blast, 2os with 2x um for 50% ow
Claw #2: chaos runics, 328%, +3 venom
Armor: enigma mage plate
Rings: raven and fcr dex ring
Amulet: highlord's
Gloves: trang
Belt: arach and rare ow belt with 24 fhr, 9% ow, life, etc
Boots: shadow dancers, +2, +22 dex
Helm: +3 shadow, 20 fcr, 2 socket with 2x ber
Misc charms: 19-20 torch, high anni, random sc's
GCs: 34, 37, 38, 40, 40, 7% run walk, fhr, plain, plain
Switch: 6 bo cta, spirit shield, hel'd widowmaker in stash

Skills: 20 venom, 20 claw mastery, 20 mind blast, 1 wake of fire, 1 blade shield, 1 weapon block20+ skill points remaining, I'm lvl 90

My resists suck too.. 2-3 traps kill me, any sorc kills me with 1 shot of anything. Yes, I know more in fade with those 20+ points left but this is not my main concern.. it's the hotkeying and stuff. Remember, I've got a baba's mentality... I'm a baba trying to make the switch to a more comlicated char and it has been disastrous so far. I feel all this gear I traded for has gone to waste. I'm on USEast ladder and my acc is Aloof if anyone wants to help
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As far as the skills goes, I'll tell you my hotkey setup cause I've gone through a few and have found what I like best cause there is a lot.

PreBuff: (in the order I go through)
Q = Shadow Master (so it gets the Battle Command/BO boosts with me)
F1 = Battle Command
F2 = Battle Orders
F3 = Fade
F4 = Blade Shield
F5 = Venom (my venom is higher with claws so I switch gear before this)
F6 = BoS (for use against hdins and bone necs because DR/res don't help)

Combat:(roughly in most used order)
D = Tele
A = WW
S = Mind Blast
C = WoF
Q = Shadow Master (to easily recast in combat)
F = Dragon Flight (good against some fast casters)
E = Light Sentry (better than WoF against some chars)
Dragon Talon on left click

I'm probably forgetting something, but yeah that's what I have found easiest.
It gets my prebuff skills out of my way during combat because apart from Blade Shield maybe, there's rarely a fight that lasts long enough to have the other skills run out. The basic strategy is to get a name lock with MB (S), tele (D), and then WW(A).

As far as gear/skills. I would personally just drop most, if not all of those points into Fade. It will help your resists a ton, and it gives DR, which you free up your sockets in your helm. Fade gives 1% DR per effective level, plus you have a Ber in nigma which gives you 8%, so if you can get your lvl of Fade to around 40, you'll be set for max DR. Then you could either double Um the helm for even more resists, or find some sexy jewels to put in it.

Also, to help with resists, I suggest keeping a Jade Talon in stash to switch out against sorcs/etc, and then also the regular elemental resist gear. Also a mara's to switch out would help. You didn't list all your scs, so that's another good place to make up res you lack if you have scs that aren't essential.


 
jade talons don't work with ghosts because you lose 9 frame traps (if you don't WSM bug), unless you use bos, which would defeat the purpose of putting on jade talon in the first place. it also doesn't meet the 4 frame ww BP. there are much more efficient ways of getting res, like taking off those (damn) sdancers that everyone seems to love.

also, try and stick with jah/shaels in your helm and supplement your res with charms instead.
 
i need some help with a fury based build... im running 6 shadow skillers an ar/lifer and a an ar/fhr gc-wise... and i'm working on more ar/life scs... i'm wondering what ar is good in general, as i really dont have enough patience to shop up a fools/quickness and socket it... thanks a bunch
 
Few more questions ><
I was originally going to rely on enigma for str to put everything on and pump vital but before I do this, I need to know if bramble is needed to kill smiters/barbs. Do you ever use bramble against the two class?
 
just got back from atlantic city :afro:
MCpl Slackbag said:
i need some help with a fury based build... im running 6 shadow skillers an ar/lifer and a an ar/fhr gc-wise... and i'm working on more ar/life scs... i'm wondering what ar is good in general, as i really dont have enough patience to shop up a fools/quickness and socket it... thanks a bunch
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i'd aim for 5-7k+ AR with a fury. but of course, it depends on how much defense your opponent has.

Hit Rate Graph

DayDream said:
Few more questions ><
I was originally going to rely on enigma for str to put everything on and pump vital but before I do this, I need to know if bramble is needed to kill smiters/barbs. Do you ever use bramble against the two class?
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i sometimes use a fort because i am a physical damage build, but it serves the same purpose as a bramble. i'd try and find other ways to get the strength to equip your melee setup besides just placing stat points; try playing around with bartucs, gskull, andariels viel, etc.



 
One last question ^^
Would you say wwsins that use bramble are more like barbs or hybrids? and do I just ww towards him? because he doesn't seem to fear me and wws at me back and does double the damage because of the bramble.
 
you will probably pass a kidney stone before you kill the baba with 30-35 damage traps.

thats the problem with using a bramble/fort build. you'll get much more damage, but if its still not enough, no amount of skill will help you overcome barbs. usually, when my ghost can't outdamage a baba (which happens less and less these days), i slap on a widowmaker. it turns the duel into one much more dependant on skill, and you'll be able to overcome the damage difference you play well.
 
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