Wolfbarbs-The ultimate guide (Revised verson)

Glad my response has helped you thus far :laugh: !

1) You are correct in assuming that the cb from duress will out way the fort's godly mods in pvm, this is what I personally have found for myself. I usually invision fort+grief or fort+ 4sheal'd caddy to lean heavily towards the pvp side, though grief is do-able in pvm the cost difference between it and a azurewrath is selfexplainitory lol.

2) To be honest i havent played through the game with a wolf barb for quite sometime, i usually just grush. Though its not the best thing in the world to do if you desperately wanted a pure wolfbaba putting some pts into the combat tree is in no way taboo lol. The last wolfbaba i made that i took through the game had like 5 pts into conc and 1 pt into ww and 1 into berserk, and of course prereqs. He turned out well enough and im sure that soemthing along those lines is completely fine.

3) What ever the gear that it takes man go for it! Get him to that golden lvl 79! Just try not to make any decisions that could hinder him later on in hell, like use a axe in nm and accidently put pts into axe mastery instead of sword b/c you forgot lol.

4) As for the azure lol, youll prolly have better luck posting that part in the trade forums if you havent already :thumbsup:

If your on US East ladder or non and you wouldnt mind waiting til this weekend id be more than happy to help rush your guy somewhere. msg me sometime if you want:

*PallyAnderson
*BubsTheZombie-1
*Starwindhawking

-BLoke :smug:
 
Ok, I'm gonna be a jerk :grin:

I said I was going to be a pvm wolfbarb.......but now I'm kinda itching to try him at pvp. Here's the problem- I went with sword mast, not mace, so a 4x shael griz caddy is out of the question. Is my best option for pvp still a shaeled Azurewrath? I think I'm pretty set on the other equip except boots. What do you recommend for pvp? I've been using gores for pvm but is there a better option for duels?

Also, as of right now I'm lvl 85 and I have:

Max Iron Skin
Max Shout
Max BO
Max Sword Mastery
1 BC
1 Nat Res
1 Increase Speed

and 10 or 11 unused skill points.

With a torch, (hope to get an anni soon), +2 valor, Highlords, Azurewrath (still searching for one), and BC my Nat Res and Increase Speed will go to lvl 10. Is it worth it to dump more points into either of those two skills? Diminishing returns seem to kick them both in the junk. I just don't see an alternative for the points though.

As always your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks.
 
Your not a jerk for postin in here :P, i was one for saying you shouldnt (thank you for clearing the erroro of my ways Dr@ke). I would be more than happy to help you be equiped for pvp as well though MrZip :grin: .

First, you should probably already know that your going to be dueling and the gear stakes have risen a bit. Max dmg charms w/ life and ar are your biggest concern now. Though i will say, you can get by with a few Mastery gc's with nice life on them.

Gear, ah gear, well you can indeed get by with a sheal'd azure, from what ive heard/seen in this guide, but im pretty sure the best bet you can go for sword wise will be a high ias % Grief PB. The venom, etc does wonders in duels, though you will not be as effective as a fury durid is with one, you will fair nicely with one.

Ideally ive seen fort to be the king for baba armors (imo from wut ive seen), but i know others have used eth valor, eth glitched runeword armors are also great though having to make new ones can get a bit pricy (Prudence, Fort, Duress, Stone). Personally, since im on nl i use a duress combined with gores and i emit some pretty mean ow's, ds, cb.

Ill tell you though, go for dracs as gloves. You will actually be decent enough to use the lt when it triggers and the extra ow's is the gift of the gods.

Personally, i use a fairly nice eth zod'd wolfhowl so that i can have a lot more def and style points of course lol.

Well if there is any more that i can do for you let me know! :thumbsup:

-BLoke :smug:
 
I'm back again. Ok, so I put together the final pieces (or so I thought) of my wolfbarb and I took him out for a spin in a pubby dueling game...and got ROCKED. Real hard. I was maybe 1-15 before i left (and the 1 was partially/mainly? because the sorc was getting hit by a fallen while we were dueling).

I got beaten down by a smiter (which was to be expected), and absolutely demolished by a teleporting wind druid, and outlasted by ww barbs. The only one I killed was the sorc and she was getting trashed by everybody. Here is what I use:

prebuff:
+2 ondals (i'm trying to get a mangs, 2x hoto is too expensive for me)
+1 highlords (maras is too expensive as well)
+2 valor

dueling equip:
wolfhowl 3wc/6feral/6lycan/5ww/150%ed (377 def :thumbsup: ) 15str/10dex/9vit
duress ap 178%ed/15%dmg 1331 def
'shael' ss
'shael' azurewrath 167%ed/+9attributes
verdungo's 35vit/14dr
dracs 15str/7ll
gores 176%ed

rings/ammy setup 1:
highlords
20 dex/217ar raven
18 dex/211ar raven

rings/ammy setup 2:
angelic ammy
angelic ring x2

ok, with the ravens i get:

10694 AR
5674 life
1220-2134 dmg
21780 def
75% chance to block
35 fire res
75 cold res
75 lite res
25 poison res
(i need to work on those resists)


A little story before you see the angelic setup. I had 280 saved stat pts until I got my anni, so I knew exactly how many pts to put into dex for max block so the rest could go to vit. And, me being an IDIOT:banghead: , I assigned my points while wearing the ravens So my chance to block with angelics is poor.

with angelics:

19868 AR
6061 life
1178-1998 dmg
21456 def
63% chance to block
33 fire res
75 cold res
64 lite res
23 poison res

(I am lvl 85)
Str: 204 (w/ items)
Dex: 165 (w/ angelics)
193 (w/ ravens)
Vit: 412 (w/ items)

Max Iron Skin
Max Sword Mast
Max BO
Max Shout
1 BC
1 Increase Speed
1 Nat Res
11 unused pts

Most of my charms are +life, +max dmg/ar. I use a 20/12 torch and a 16/14 anni.

Other than having a bad prebuff, I think most of my equip is pretty darn good. Where can I improve my equip to make me suck less? I was having a hell of a time hitting a 18k def ww barb-maybe i'd connect once every 12-15 swings? (Although he may have been using a shield, he was using that glitch(?) where it looks like you're not holding anything)

What is the best way to get my chance to block to 75% with angelics? +dex charms? Increase speed and Nat res suffer some serious diminishing returns, but I have no idea where else to put those 11 pts.

Help me out wolfbarb vets!

If anyone is on USEast Ladder and has a good wolfbarb, I'd love to see it.
/w *Mr.Zip

Thanks!
 
Wolfbarb vs Ubers can you solo

Great guide thanks,

I am on ladder USwest and have enough gear to make a good wolfbarb, I plan on doing pvm, and would like to know if a wolfbarb can solo the ubers?. I have done some searches and have not found a discussion about this, I know it would be very gear dependent but assuming I have 50% CB, DS and life tap with very Hi res, can this build do the job.?

Thanks
 
MrZip: Well the only thing i can really suggest is trying out a 4 sheal'd griz caddy. For pubby duels your almost going to want to use a coh for dueling against all of those casters. And when you duel the ww barbs, do you use the shift+attack method? I mainly use my wolfbarb in melee only games to maximize my chances. I have one last piece of gear id like to get for my wolfbarb but i havent decided if im going to try it out yet or not, its going to be a ebotd Great Poleaxe. Fury druids use them to fight many classes and i was thinking about using it myself (too bad a Tombreaver is so much on non ladder) All i can really suggest to you reguading the dex thing is to try and find max/ar/dex sc's/lc/gc to bring it up and throw in some 5-6 dex mastery gc's to help too.

Indara: I have heard that wolfbarbs do fine in trist as long as you have 50%+ cb and a life tap trigger you should be just fine to take them. Azurewrath would come in handy there due to its sanctuary aura. If you use like Duress/Gore/Dracs you will fair perfectly or as perf as it can really get lol. Im sure ive heard someone doing them with a wolfbarb not too far back maybe a couple posts. good luck!

-BLoke :smug:
 
Well for one they have massive leech from feral and in most cases the leech just makes you invincible. Most of the time though when i play pvm i play defensively by avoiding drawing in large crowds of unleechable monsters (i.e. if i chaos with him i try to minimized the crowdage). I would assume that its similar to a pvm conc barb, one enemy at a time but, dont let that discourage you. With nice dmg and good leech coming from feral or other equipment youll being tearing up alot of enemies.

As ive said before, and this imo completely, the azurewrath is seriously going to be the king of pvm for a wolfbarb, massive magic/cold dmg for immunes, sanc aura for the undead masses, skills, great speed, good dmg, even some stat pts. But until 85 a botd/ griz caddy/ 2 handed weapons (still working on seeing how well they perform)/ other good weapons that fall in there that have good speed and dmg are perf up until lvl 85.

-BLoke :smug:
 
im still not sure if this build can take a smiter though they are very tough and defense doesnt matter because smite always hits
 
Who said this build could easily take a smiter? but then who said it couldnt, besides you. A good wolfbarb may lose 95%+ duels with a smiter, but they always have a chance. Using a range 5 wep like a eBotd GPA or Eth Sheal+Sheal+Zod Tomb Reaver i think they can stand a bit more of a chance, such is the strat that fury/rabie druids use. I do realize that feral is not fury, and that a range 5 may leave your baba more exposed, but you can not deny the use of a range 5 wep on a wolf build of any kind. Period.

-BLoke :smug:
 
I've been playing around with the wolfbarb for a little while now, and what I find funny is that youl litterally only need the fury visor to make a wolf barb. Even if you already have an existing barb build like a WW barb, you just find this helm and you have a wolf barb (since it doesnt require any skill placement really thats different then a regular BO/WW barb).

It's pretty simple, actually.
 
A real wolf barb vs. a ww barb posing as a wolf will lose. Unless you've taken the time to make proper gear changes and have extremely good charms your ww posing wolfbaba more than likely will not beat my full fledged one. If your on non ladder east, i would be more than happy to show you :grin:

-BLoke :smug:
 
Well #1. I don't PvP
#2. the guild at the start of this now massive thread, basically doesn't really outline anything different then what you would do when making a common WW barb. (items, skills, stats etc. are all pretty much the same.)

How exactly is a "full fledged" wolfbarb any different then a "posing" wolfbarb?

does it seems kinda like im being rude? cause im not trying to be, I actually think its a really interesting build, I just need some clarification.
 
#1 Well the difference between a posing wolfbarb and a full fledged one is clearly shown in pvp due to the fact that a botd or grief barb will not have the def/life/ar/attack speed of that of a pure wolfbarb and b/c they are more often than not, not used to using a wolfbarb they suffer and die. The only 'posing' wolfbarb that i was defeated by was one who had perf charms and very nearly perf gear and actually switched out certain gear parts and defeated me (but only nearly i mind you). Had he not had the top end gear or if i had his charms at the very least the out come would have been different.

#2 In pvm however its very acceptable to make a kind of hybird if you will. I myself had a old wolfbarb who put 5 pts into conc and 1 pt into ww just for fun and for some better pvm crowd control. It would be quite alright to not have a full fledged wolfbaba for pvm where you would put 20 mastery/ww/bo/shout/rest into iron skin, nat resist, inc speed. I admit, though a wolf barb can handle a crowd, it can be slow if there are many many enemies around you. I stated a few posts back that i try not to put myself in those situations and i tear through pvm with basically my pvp set up.

No, i didnt think you post rude, just another question that people think about and wonder. I hope i was able to make some things a bit clearer. Lmk if you need any other questions answered :grin:

-BLoke :smug:
 
thanks for the reply, you did clear a few things up a bit.

So basically all that is going to set you apart as a "true" wolfbarb, from a "posing" one, is your skill and experience as a player?

Your stat allocation, equipment, skills etc. are still more or less the same as a defensive built WWbarb (minus the WW of course).

Also, to another point, I don't logically understand how it would be possible for a high end skilled wolfbarb player to defeat a high end skilled fury druid.

top of the line fury druid with massive pre buff can easily aquire 10-11k life, very high attack rating, good speed, and of course they have fury. Wolf barbs have Feral, so logically thinking would it not come down too Fury Vs Feral? I don't see how it would be possible for Feral to top Fury.
 
You know what your right, its very hard for me to compete with a well built fury druid. I've beaten down my share, but ive also been beaten by many as well. With the possibility of using rabie/fury or straight fury coupled with Oak sage, as well as a significantly higher werewolf/lycan lvl (raising life/ar/dmg/etc) it can be quite a fight to whitness. I will say though that a top end wolfbarb will have a ton of ar himself, much larger def, and, this is the cucial part, his life wont go down where if a fury druid's oak is hit and killed he can potentially loose nearly half his health. Really i personally think that it comes down to the gear that each of them will wield in a duel.

Fury's are tough, Zealots are tough, Conc can be tough. Deal with it and get better and better gear.

-BLoke :smug:
 
My only advice to you is to plan out what your going to do and stick to it lol. If you decide pvm go pvm, pvp go pvp. Also try to figure out what weapon you'll use. Swords mastery (Azurewrath, grief, botd = all in phaseblades) Mace mastery (Griz caddy 4 sheals) Axe Mastery (er um... botd i guess? lol i made a sheal'd Deathcleaver work once upon a time). Pvm my pick is a sheal'd azurewrath, pvp my #1 is 4 sheal'd Griz Caddy and close #2 Greif Phase.

-BLoke :smug:

Have lots of fun! :D look me up for a duel sometime if you go pvp
 
wolfhowl, bramble and beast axe baba was a fun equip change on a Iron or Flash ( spells on equip ) type barb in my play. PSN Plage Bearer adds nice lower etc. Flexablity with Equip Use a setup.
 
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