Wolfbarbs-The ultimate guide (Revised verson)

[Zero-unit]

Caducues is 4 Frames a Greif is much less. You will mainly want faster speed for Paladins seeing as thats about the best way o keep up with them, as Suiginto said getting a Verdungo's should patch up any damage reduction you need. If not that what you have is alright, but it seems you don't have the 4 frame hit recovery break (42%) unless I didn't account in your charms. I would recomend switching Aldur's fo something like Gore Riders or War Travelers more damage is better especialy with the Cauducues weapon. And If you do get a verdungo's then sadly to say the ber is usless and has to go if not it's fine where it is. let me know if you need any further assistance.

Dr@kE~

 

[Killer_sss]

Caducues is 4 Frames a Greif is much less. You will mainly want faster speed for Paladins seeing as thats about the best way o keep up with them, as Suiginto said getting a Verdungo's should patch up any damage reduction you need. If not that what you have is alright, but it seems you don't have the 4 frame hit recovery break (42%) unless I didn't account in your charms. I would recomend switching Aldur's fo something like Gore Riders or War Travelers more damage is better especialy with the Cauducues weapon. And If you do get a verdungo's then sadly to say the ber is usless and has to go if not it's fine where it is. let me know if you need any further assistance.

Dr@kE~

well could you tell me what chars i can use a grief on and be effective since it only has a 9 frame attack rate. um i will be reaching the 86% faster hit recovery break point with my charms. also im using the aracnids so i can get get its skill bonuses and since i don't need the dmg reduction i think it works best it even has 10% slow. granted the life is nice but i don't really need it.
and about the idt on grief will that ignore player defense or do i need to still waer angelics because it would be great if i did not have to waer angelics thanx again for your help.

edit: i noticed if i can get an axe instead that i can get to the sixth frame i think i will do this is this good enough and then i can swap gores and gris caddy for the fanta zealots.

edit: discrepency on the frame rate the one given by the druid thing you list tells me the max i can get is 7 frames with 40 ias axe grief and the one listed under the barb guides that can be found also from a link at arreat summit tells me the most i can gett is 6frames who to believe and y or is there a way to calculate?

does -25% totarget defense work??? or not?

 

[middleman35]

well could you tell me what chars i can use a grief on and be effective since it only has a 9 frame attack rate. um i will be reaching the 86% faster hit recovery break point with my charms. also im using the aracnids so i can get get its skill bonuses and since i don't need the dmg reduction i think it works best it even has 10% slow. granted the life is nice but i don't really need it.
and about the idt on grief will that ignore player defense or do i need to still waer angelics because it would be great if i did not have to waer angelics thanx again for your help.

edit: i noticed if i can get an axe instead that i can get to the sixth frame i think i will do this is this good enough and then i can swap gores and gris caddy for the fanta zealots.

Ignore target defense does not work pvp, and if it did wolfbarbs would be nearly useless, as 40 of our skillpoints are in defense buffing skills!

 

[Phil]

Im making a PvM wolfbarb and I was thinking about going for an EBotd CB for the big two hand dmg instead of SS and Schaeffers(I happened to have one lying around). Im non-ladder so Grief and things of that nature are out. Does anyone see a problem with going for a big relatively fast 2hander over a shield and 1hander?

thanks
phil

 

[Killer_sss]

Im making a PvM wolfbarb and I was thinking about going for an EBotd CB for the big two hand dmg instead of SS and Schaeffers(I happened to have one lying around). Im non-ladder so Grief and things of that nature are out. Does anyone see a problem with going for a big relatively fast 2hander over a shield and 1hander?

thanks
phil

1st-no block crazy yea you got defense but defense isn't every thing
2nd-no storm shield thats a loss of 35%dmg reduction.
3rd-storm shield has about 500 def at lvl99 thats about 1/6 of your defense if you had 30k def there goes 5k defense. thats outrageous yea 25kdef is decent but your also losing the other two.


Here are some of my own questions restated since it was replied to before i got a couple of edits in.
well could you tell me what chars i can use a grief on and be effective since it only has a 9 frame attack rate. um i will be reaching the 86% faster hit recovery break point with my charms. also im using the aracnids so i can get get its skill bonuses and since i don't need the dmg reduction i think it works best it even has 10% slow. granted the life is nice but i don't really need it.
and about the idt on grief will that ignore player defense or do i need to still waer angelics because it would be great if i did not have to waer angelics thanx again for your help.

edit: i noticed if i can get an axe instead that i can get to the sixth frame i think i will do this is this good enough and then i can swap gores and gris caddy for the fanta zealots.

edit: discrepency on the frame rate the one given by the druid thing you list tells me the max i can get is 7 frames with 40 ias axe grief and the one listed under the barb guides that can be found also from a link at arreat summit tells me the most i can gett is 6frames who to believe and y or is there a way to calculate?

does -25% totarget defense work??? or not?

 

[Zero-unit]

I can't exactly give you a clue for what Greif can be most effective with but there is no way around getting past the defense except with massive Attack Ratings. Not exactly sure about the Axe swapping question. I'm not sure how your doing the whole calculator thing but based off a -10 speed axe (On the calc this is considered 10.) with that 40% IAS it shows me 8 frames. And - % defense pretty much works like this. The amount of removal power you have only affects their enhance defense not over all defense so it's doing alot less than most people think it does.

Dr@kE~

 

[Killer_sss]

I can't exactly give you a clue for what Greif can be most effective with but there is no way around getting past the defense except with massive Attack Ratings. Not exactly sure about the Axe swapping question. I'm not sure how your doing the whole calculator thing but based off a -10 speed axe (On the calc this is considered 10.) with that 40% IAS it shows me 8 frames. And - % defense pretty much works like this. The amount of removal power you have only affects their enhance defense not over all defense so it's doing alot less than most people think it does.

Dr@kE~

i'm not sure how you got the 8 frames but i think your asuming werewolf skill is lvl 6

my prebuff will allow werewolf to be lvl20. i'm also using the 1.1 from dropdown for barbarian, with werewolf cliked and feral rage drop down bar, ive entered -10 and a one handed axe since it is one handed. and i entered the value 40 WIAS. i also tried standard attack since you say feral rage is inaccurate. it gives me a value of 9.

ive just gone back and check the other site i used apparently i had fury as the skill. it gives me 9frames with 40ias lvl20 werewolf. i think they are more likely right. that site you gave doesn't seem to have its bearings down quite right.
also according to them with the cadecus you can only reach the 6th frame breakpoint with 120ias on it.

 

[Summerfun]

How can this be??

i just finished reading thin post, seems like all other wolff barbs own, except for me.....

Many people here says that they only have semi good items and still own.

Not trying to sound to cocky, but i have much better ithes than that.

Eth zodded perfect skill 147% wolff howl
caddy 4X shael and another with 4X 40/15 ias
Dures arcon 189% (eth Great hauberger dures 179% in stash)
ravens/highlord or angelic combo
gores
diffrent belts depending on duel
storm shael

My stash is allmost ful of 3.20.20 and nice max/ar/life GC´s + 2 mastery 23 life.

To me it dossent seem that bad, how come i allmost allway loose??

Help plz

 

[Zero-unit]

What is your defense, attack rating, damage, and hit points. Also the proper way to use the calculator is to put version 1.10 first, then the class, then the shift type, leave normal attack on select the weapon type and now for the bae speed part. Noarmally it would be counted as -10 or -20 for fast weapons but this calculator uses it vice versa so instead the "-" are actually slower.

Dr@kE~

 

[Killer_sss]

What is your defense, attack rating, damage, and hit points. Also the proper way to use the calculator is to put version 1.10 first, then the class, then the shift type, leave normal attack on select the weapon type and now for the bae speed part. Noarmally it would be counted as -10 or -20 for fast weapons but this calculator uses it vice versa so instead the "-" are actually slower.

Dr@kE~

so it would be 10,20?

 

[dkay]

hmmm interesting build, im conflicted on which to make, a pallyabear or this lol.
couple questions:

how do you kill barbs? i mean not with the shift idea but.. 1200ish damage seems too darn low to phase a barb or pally.

can greif play a role in any of this? if i used greif pb which bp would i be hitting? (sorry whenever i use that cursed calculator i just get frustrated)

how much damage does 39 3/20/20s add up compared to plain 20 life sc users?

is fort going to be the staple item when ladder merges?

 

[Summerfun]

Cant remember exact stats, since its been a whille since i played on it.
But im pretty sure it vas 25kísh def and arround 16-22k ar depending on what setup.

If all the other wolf barbs out there can win duels, i should be abel to do the same (imo).

Allso some dude told me that it might be that i just diddent have the experioenct to play that type of char. that might be tru, if it wassent because i spend most of my time since late 1.08 playing fury druids.
yes, i know its not exactly the same but PvP strategies are much alike

Ps: im rebuilding it right now, thinking about going with Azurewrath+shael
this time seems like the magic dmg might be worth it.

So, last question. does +all skill items (highlords Azuwrath anni) add to the LvL 13 Sanctuary Aura?

Thx SummerFun

 

[rikstaker1]

So, last question. does +all skill items (highlords Azuwrath anni) add to the LvL 13 Sanctuary Aura?

Thx SummerFun

No.

Rik

 

[Summerfun]

ok, maybe Gris Caddy is the best choice, but im going for something diffrent and with more dmg.

i have to pick betwen:

Azurewrath. Low dmg good speed and good magic dmg :clap:
Botd PhaseBlade. low dmg good speed
Botd Warspike. good dmg but a littel slower
Botd BerserkerAxe. Best dmg but verry slow

Plz let me know what you think pros/cons

SummerFun

 

[Zero-unit]

hmmm interesting build, im conflicted on which to make, a pallyabear or this lol.
couple questions:

how do you kill barbs? i mean not with the shift idea but.. 1200ish damage seems too darn low to phase a barb or pally.

can greif play a role in any of this? if i used greif pb which bp would i be hitting? (sorry whenever i use that cursed calculator i just get frustrated)

how much damage does 39 3/20/20s add up compared to plain 20 life sc users?

is fort going to be the staple item when ladder merges?

Does seem low, but I had 1.6k. Think of this comparing in terms of speed, your at 4 frames, constant, if for say your up against a Concentration Barbarian, you have quite a bit of advantages that he doesn't. Seeing as their main attack can only breech a 9 frame hit, your 5 frames ahead of him so your capable of getting in more hits. Concentration barbarians that forcus on a 9 frame attack don't get very many space for attack rating and such so thats an advantage on your part seeing as Wolfbarbs can gain so much more. Defense should not be a difference becuase we can gain just about the same or more in some cases. Finally we have major hit point boosts, possiblities are limitless. Now a Greif weapon, well I can't say much on that becuase I'm not entirely knowleagable about the damage modifyer, it's not going to be your faster hitting weapon thats for sure, it hits at 7 frames. Charms will make a big difference depending on what weapon your using, if your using a Caducues you almost always want to have some sort of assortment of max/damage/ar charms. For stronger weaponry that won't be such a big factor but it always helps becuase the Wolfbarbs are limited in how much damage they can achieve. As for fortitude, no armor can be considered the standard type that all Wolbarbs should use, each of them work diferently wih each different array of set ups.

Summerfun, you shouldn't really be ahving a problem at all, though I think your attack rating is a bit low. Try playing around with the armor section a bit.

Dr@kE~

 

[Summerfun]

Dr@ke its not that i wanna push you int answer some thing that you allready have answered like 100 times, but what of the weapon that i listed above do u think would work best (i know you love your caddy, but except for that.)

Thx Summerfun

 

[Zero-unit]

Dr@ke its not that i wanna push you int answer some thing that you allready have answered like 100 times, but what of the weapon that i listed above do u think would work best (i know you love your caddy, but except for that.)

Thx Summerfun

My better jugement goes with Azurewrath, in my opinion it deals some pretty nice damage seeing as 250-500 of it is not neglectable and it also brings 250-500 cold damage, decent speed and damage and gives some fair attributes. Now only go sword if you really can or have the points to do it.

Dr@kE~

 

[Beowulf]

Another weapon option that many druids used in 1.09 is a sheal bstar which is five frames and allows for good physical and elemental damage along with a nice ar boost. An even more popular one with an etheral shealed bstar. While this weapon only lasted for a short while it hit hard and fast and since they are not really sought after they are easy to replace and a low cost.

 

[jokermwx]

I share your pain Summerfun. I thought my wolfbarb was good, but i'm getting crushed by WWbarbs, Windys, and Pallys. My stats are:

2.8 dmg( ebotdwspike)
20k AR w Angelic's(w/ out demon limb)
23k def (Kraken Duress)
5.4 life
3/6/6/6 Wolfhowl( Shaeled)

I want to remake for ladder( fortitude), but will it make a diffrence. 3/20/20's are hard to get on NL. What have I done wrong. Zero, I keep reading you say you beat all of these charc I'm having prob with. HOW????? I made this barb because he wasn't the norm. Every PvP game you go to now it has 4 pally's, 2 WW barbs, and others. I'm alomost to the point of quitting. I'm sick of these Grief/Exile/Enigma/Zerker pallys and barbs. Help me out here Zero!!

 

[Zero-unit]

Unfortunatly, melee has gone straight to the bottom pit of hell. It all really depends on how you duel with your Wolfbarb, I invented my own way and has proved successful to me for a very long time. However I have recently suffered your fates, but I still hold strong. Also one sheer difference I have had from the majority of players here. My Wolfbarb had 8k life, I'm not exactly sure why but the results I've seen here were rather low, this sometimes can be a factor of surviving. (And I know not everybody is rich so I hadn't expected top end results.) Beowulf, that was for Druids, if we slaped that Barranara's Star on a Wolfbarb it might not even be worth transforming.

Dr@kE~