Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

a +3 holy shield Fortitude Scepter would be the godliest weapon for a defiant paladin. I personally am trying to set a record for the highest defence paladin in the game, so im actually iso +3 holy shield 4os scepters to make a fort weapon. IMO fort would be a very decent weapon (perhaps for pking) since combined with the defiance of an ebug v exile, the +ed on a weapon would be god send.
And a Lo really isnt that expensive, if you want to make the most defensive weapon in the game (i dont think ne other weapon gives as much defence = to +15 chilling armor when struck, 200 enhanced defence). Combined with ebug prudence, and youve got a pally that'll be untouchable. Works great with smiting, since u wont need ne attack rating (not as great vs ubers, but u can prob get enuff damage for pking from other things). The ress is also a good bonus, and the +life which helps once u bo urself
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

I take it you're on BNet?

Here in this community, we religiously avoid duped runes (read: 99.9% of the runes over ~Gul on BNet, and hopefully 0% here, are duped). So Lo runes are much too rare for most of us to "waste" in a crappy weapon for a specialty project. However, that's not the point I wanted to make.

The point is that +Holy Shield is extremely rare on scepters now (in this version of the game) - there's some very special circumstances that are required to get a +3 Holy Shield on a scepter these days. Essentially, getting this to spawn is like following the directions: "stand on your left foot for 12.4 seconds, then scratch your backside in rapid succession 3 times, then eat a penny and sneeze out a dime, and you'll get the scepter you seek."

In other words, don't count on finishing this project any day soon.
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Uh, i play on uswest realm ladder and i dont even know how duping works. I dont know what you mean by "religiosly avoid" duped runes, I just trade for hrs and i have no clue if some1 else duped them or not :\ Neway, I guess you dont have an mfer or havent played a while, but hrs really arent that hard to come by if u got mf and know how and when to trade v.v

Oh, btw i do plan on finishing this project. i prob wont get a +3 hs scepter, but +1-2 hs 4os ones arent as expensive (since every1 wants the 5os for cta) so who knows. sorry if it sickens u that i got hrs to spare
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

tanem said:
Neway, I guess you dont have an mfer or havent played a while, but hrs really arent that hard to come by if u got mf and know how and when to trade v.v
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Very funny indeed :tongue:

For your information, magic find does not influence rune drops. It seems that you have some "good rune hunting mfer"? How many hrs have you found last weeks?



 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

@jingizu: Dude, it's a troll. Don't bother to feed it or it'll never go away... :wink3:
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

tanem said:
hrs really arent that hard to come by if u got mf and know how and when to trade v.v
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Gonna print that and put it up on my wall.

Made my day!

Now, is he saying MF makes runes drop, or improves trades.

"I traded with a guy and was wearing 400 MF, got a sweet deal".

Lol.



 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Erm... Isn't it obvious he meant "find some good uniques with your mfer and trade them for HRs"?:rolleyes:

This strategy actually works on bn:wink2:
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

silospen said:
Now, is he saying MF makes runes drop, or improves trades.

"I traded with a guy and was wearing 400 MF, got a sweet deal".
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I think he was saying wearing more MF gives you better chance to spot good deal while trade.

Back to topic, I have seen crazy RW been made here (include some I would never think SPFer would make, like HoJ), make a fort in weapon is not as crazy as it may sound. However it is still very very unwise or rather foolish decistion.
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

I wasn't going to bother responding to that guy, since I wasn't able to come up with a response that would both shut him down, and _not_ get be temp-banned, but I think Nepata and the others served up an ice cold plate of pwnage :thumbsup:
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Then get back ON topic before I deal pwnage.
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

my bad, i didnt notice this thread was in the single player forum. But uh, i was originally just trying to offer good reasons for y fort weapon would be at least somewhat useful such as in pking. i think ne1 who plays bnet knows what im talkin about when i said it isnt that hard to make, and how great it is with exile.
and isnt it pretty obvious that mf doesnt affect runes? y is every1 so eager to assume i overlooked such a basic fact, and not contribute their reasons towards actually saying what they feel about fort weapons. I mean, some people earlier actually mentioned how other runewords have more damage and what not, and I was just pointing out the obviously powerful traits in a fort weapon. y is it soo hard to believe that fort weapons can kick *** in certain situations...
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

tanem said:
my bad, i didnt notice this thread was in the single player forum. But uh, i was originally just trying to offer good reasons for y fort weapon would be at least somewhat useful such as in pking. i think ne1 who plays bnet knows what im talkin about when i said it isnt that hard to make, and how great it is with exile.
and isnt it pretty obvious that mf doesnt affect runes? y is every1 so eager to assume i overlooked such a basic fact, and not contribute their reasons towards actually saying what they feel about fort weapons. I mean, some people earlier actually mentioned how other runewords have more damage and what not, and I was just pointing out the obviously powerful traits in a fort weapon. y is it soo hard to believe that fort weapons can kick *** in certain situations...
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Try as I might, I can't understand how fort can be so amazing in PvP.

I see the resists, the life and the ED, sure, but there's plenty that's better out there. Grief, for instance. As you said, you could make a great smiter around the fort weapon, but I think that's rubbish, the damage would be pretty poor.

I like my PvPers to do damage, I don't see the point of concentrating on defense when I want to be able to duel casters too.



 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

How does the +defense % even work in a fortitude weapon? I had always assumed that the defense was just a percentage increase of the base armour defense. So how would that work for something that doesn't have any base defense? Or does it work completely different than I thought?
 
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People are simply up in arms over you saying that HR's are easy to come by.

It's the duping on bnet that makes HR's so common. Playing legit, how many HR's have you found in your entire time playing D2 (this does not include trades, as most HR's floating around bnet are duped. We mean, how many HR's have you found yourself? If they are easy to come by, surely you have spotted atleast a couple)?
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Your right, I have actually only found 1hr on my own in my career on bnet so far (an Ist). I totally understand how hard it is to find hrs on your own, especially on single player. In fact, it is even more incredibly rare since your the one guy in the game and thus the monster level is much lower than say in a game with 8 players on bent. Or is this correct? Im actually not sure since i never played single player.
Neway, I did realize that a fort weapon is far less offensive. In alot of situations using fort would be useless (say against magic casters), however the extra ress does come somewhat in handy vs elemental casters. I think for smiters using fort (the only class i think is plausible for using fort wpn is a smiter), unless u combine your attacks with charge to traverse faster, itll be hard to pvp vs ranged (or those with enigma/tp).
I can imagine that using fort weapon would be extermely useful against most barbs (except singers). For example, if ur vs a ww barb, u probably wont get hit from most of his attacks, but if u should than the first hit in the ww will trigger frozen armor, making your pally even more impossible to hit. Also works great vs zealers and pretty much any melee characters. Helps too, if u want to tank and attract mobs such as those minatour guys in the throne room. And remember that the extra ress helps against say glooms, and the bonus life works great with bo. And 300ed isnt too low imo, grief of course has more insane damage and i like to think of it as the offensive variant while fort is the defensive.
 
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Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

Simply Unbelievable.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with tanem's project. What grounds does anyone have to assume that tanem is obtaining his runes illegitimately? You can't just combine the fact that 1. duping makes people rich and 2. this guy's apparently rich enough, to arrive at the conclusion that tanem's rich because he dupes.

Also, how can so many people misinterpret tanem's explanation for obtaining high runes? He apparently mfs to find good drops, then trades them. It's absurd to assume that he's claiming to magic find runes; it's such a basic fact for all d2 players.

Instead of responding directly to his question, everyone's trying to find an excuse to flame at tanem for being wealthy in d2 terms. It's not his fault that you don't get um's and pul's from your forge, do a thousand countess runes till you get a hr, or pick up BK's and CoA's from Baal to trade.

Finally, here's my opinion on the fort weapon. Grief is the quintessential smiter weapon for its amazing, consistent damage. I personally agree with silospen in that fort's dmg would be simply insufficient, for example, to deal with ubers.

P.S. The only thing tanem may have done wrong was post in the single player forum.
 
Re: Why never build Fortitude in a weapon?

tanem said:
And 300ed isnt too low imo, grief has insane damage but it is used mostly on bnet for dueling ubers cuz of the cb.
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Grief now has crushing blow? Since when? Smiters use grief because of the +damage is added to the shield damage. Then the insane ED from the smite-skill and fanatism take the total damage sky high.

[edit] And ollid, before you brand us as being miserable, jealous and foremost lazy people who aren't rich because we don't do thousands of runs, please take a look here.



 
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