Returning to the Roots - Mini mafia game
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Kestegs
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Well, this is probably going to look a bit confusing on my phone, but is the best I can do. I'll number the corresponding responses and quotes.
1. I didn't even realize the jailer could save someone like a doc. I know I should probably know that by now, but it's not a role I've ever actually had.
2. The train I accepted the premise is because I had been absent from the thread for a bit. (Maybe 10 hours or so? Don't remember for sure) I didn't really feel he was do much accusing me of what I had posted before, but that I had not posted at all.
3. This doesn't really make sense. Either that or you intentionally poorly worded your original question to try to trap me. I really can't look at the context while I'm posting this, so I'll try to go back and check that when I have a better chance.
4. When I made the write about not associating goon with hitman it was purely for reference. I didn't expect to have moar locked by the time I got back to the thread before I had a chance to actually express my opinion. When I did get back it no longer seemed relevant to express my opinion on whether I thought she was scum or not.
5. It is an inaccurate translation, actually. Translated it would read: "yes, you're (si) on that list.
6. SI has never left my scum list since I first posted it. What I meant was that he responded and I got the information I wanted. I never stated that my opinion of him changed. I also don't think Phil was even referenced in that response, it was only you and si from what I remember.
7. I made a case for moar's lynch? Show me.
8. You're in favor of a mass claim at the end of the day? Scum move. I'll explain why: it's obvious that if there is a cop they don't have a guilty read on scum, because there's no reason they would have not come forward by now. It's also obvious that any other power role doesn't have any incriminating evidence since someone died last night. So what do we possibly have to gain from a mass claim today besides giving mafia easier targets?
I could go with a mass claim after a power role comes forward with info, or possibly in lylo.
9. I actually realized later that what you said is true and that what I said didn't make much sense. My theory was that solar/phil decided that Phil was a lost cause and that they should buss him. Then they saw an opening to lynch someone else and solar jumped ship. It's a bit of a stretch, but I think it's a plausible theory.
10. Yea, I can see your point there. Like I said earlier, I expected to be able to come back and give my opinion later. That's why it was a purely factual post, not an opinionated post.
1. I didn't even realize the jailer could save someone like a doc. I know I should probably know that by now, but it's not a role I've ever actually had.
2. The train I accepted the premise is because I had been absent from the thread for a bit. (Maybe 10 hours or so? Don't remember for sure) I didn't really feel he was do much accusing me of what I had posted before, but that I had not posted at all.
3. This doesn't really make sense. Either that or you intentionally poorly worded your original question to try to trap me. I really can't look at the context while I'm posting this, so I'll try to go back and check that when I have a better chance.
4. When I made the write about not associating goon with hitman it was purely for reference. I didn't expect to have moar locked by the time I got back to the thread before I had a chance to actually express my opinion. When I did get back it no longer seemed relevant to express my opinion on whether I thought she was scum or not.
5. It is an inaccurate translation, actually. Translated it would read: "yes, you're (si) on that list.
6. SI has never left my scum list since I first posted it. What I meant was that he responded and I got the information I wanted. I never stated that my opinion of him changed. I also don't think Phil was even referenced in that response, it was only you and si from what I remember.
7. I made a case for moar's lynch? Show me.
8. You're in favor of a mass claim at the end of the day? Scum move. I'll explain why: it's obvious that if there is a cop they don't have a guilty read on scum, because there's no reason they would have not come forward by now. It's also obvious that any other power role doesn't have any incriminating evidence since someone died last night. So what do we possibly have to gain from a mass claim today besides giving mafia easier targets?
I could go with a mass claim after a power role comes forward with info, or possibly in lylo.
9. I actually realized later that what you said is true and that what I said didn't make much sense. My theory was that solar/phil decided that Phil was a lost cause and that they should buss him. Then they saw an opening to lynch someone else and solar jumped ship. It's a bit of a stretch, but I think it's a plausible theory.
10. Yea, I can see your point there. Like I said earlier, I expected to be able to come back and give my opinion later. That's why it was a purely factual post, not an opinionated post.
Kestegs
Active member
No, nobody did take it, not surprisingly.
This is true, but it was a pretty hardcore lamist IMO.
Ankeli - Which post given as reasoning doesn't matter - not really town or scum response.
Phil - I remember in my first games thinking like this as town - if anyone included me in a scumlist without reason, I was annoyed. How could they think that I was a mafia when I am obviously town? As mafia I remember being less annoyed and more "crap, how can they know?" While I have several other issues with Phils play, this is not one of them. On the other hand, not changing your vote because they will be locked anyways is very scummy. That sounds like he knew they were townie and figured why bring heat on myself by lynching a townie? Second part is very scummy, while first not as much.
kegs - people probably used both and only bothered to quote one. not really town or scum response.
Yes, I saw your "" scumtell.
Yes, those people are on my scum list. No, I am not convinced any of them are for sure scum yet. I already explained why I didn't vote for any of them yet.
So I meant to get back to this but didn't have time yesterday, and it seems Gory beat me to it. kegs, I asked you if you actually explained why SI was on your scum list. Your response is the last quote (saying you were very clear about why you felt he was scum), and every other post you made in response to or talking about SI is listed above that. Nowhere do I see you give any case with the exception of OMGUS in your scum list.
Vote: kestegs
2 mafia left. SI removes vote 3 from Phil, BA switched over to him. If kegs is mafia, that to me looks like BA trying to make sure Phil gets lynched today, but just did not want to be on the train if he could avoid it.
Not official, but off the top of my head
4 to lynch and lock
Phil(3): Ankeli, kestegs, BA
kegs(2): Gory, Gwaihir
BA(1): SI
6.5 hours left
Caluin Graye
New member
I'm up, I'm up! Sheesh.
Current votes:
Phillinnicus (3) : Ankeli; kestegs; Bad Ash
kestegs (2): Goryani; Gwaihir
Bad Ash (1): Solar Ice
Four votes to lock + lynch.
Current votes:
Phillinnicus (3) : Ankeli; kestegs; Bad Ash
kestegs (2): Goryani; Gwaihir
Bad Ash (1): Solar Ice
Four votes to lock + lynch.
Obvious answer to Gory's earlier question, or obvious answer to who the other mafia is? Could you clarify?
Phillinnicus
New member
I'm trying to decide between two people for my vote, does anyone know how much time is left in this day phase?
I don't want to come back on after my nap and realize I missed my vote.
I don't want to come back on after my nap and realize I missed my vote.
Caluin Graye
New member
Five hours remain in the day.
Phillinnicus
New member
Both Goryani and Gwaihir make a convincing case against kestegs.
Goryani's scumhunting is top-notch, and I'm completely convinced he's town as well.
Vote: kestegs?
Goryani's scumhunting is top-notch, and I'm completely convinced he's town as well.
Vote: kestegs?
Solar Ice
Well-known member
I want to post more and will but quoting is like walking over hot coals atm.
Post 97:"As I love to tell my kids: Life's not fair. ". You just admit that you have Phillinnicus on your scumlist unfairly. You vote him in the same post. Contradiction of massive scum proportions. he later aske you why and how you think that he is Mafia and gets no reply.
Neither can I. and he does this here as well:
More ambiguation. No clarity. Who is the "his" the "that"?? Posts like this only serve the poster to explain himself away easier should the need arise.
None of the responses have struck me as Town. the main reason is the fact that not one of the three players you directed the questions to actually answered your questions. All three responded yet all three have evaded with ease. Furthermore:
Ankeli's response to your question:
Cant tell can be taken as either an honest answer or an evasive one. "I can't be bothered to tell" more appropriate? I do not like how he is quick to shrug off any pressure on him yet does not seem to be interested in focusing on more than one person. In post 162 is the first time he gives an opinion on who else may be Mafia.
Phillinnicus response:
Noob card, as per entire game. No effort. Not Town.
"Also, I was just kinda ragey at kestegs for putting me on an innocent little scumlist.
So I didn't really bother changing my vote because it looked like Moar was going to be locked anyway"
Phillinnicus, who would you have voted for had Moar not been an obvious lynch to you?
kestegs reply:
Evasive as hell. Urges a vote on Moar while voting Phil. Knew Moar was Town? Very likely.
And you think you do?
No they are not and were not at the time. What made my suspicions of Ankeli wane now is the fact that he is actually considering kestegs as Mafia.
Post 97:"As I love to tell my kids: Life's not fair. ". You just admit that you have Phillinnicus on your scumlist unfairly. You vote him in the same post. Contradiction of massive scum proportions. he later aske you why and how you think that he is Mafia and gets no reply.
Neither can I. and he does this here as well:
More ambiguation. No clarity. Who is the "his" the "that"?? Posts like this only serve the poster to explain himself away easier should the need arise.
None of the responses have struck me as Town. the main reason is the fact that not one of the three players you directed the questions to actually answered your questions. All three responded yet all three have evaded with ease. Furthermore:
Ankeli's response to your question:
Cant tell can be taken as either an honest answer or an evasive one. "I can't be bothered to tell" more appropriate? I do not like how he is quick to shrug off any pressure on him yet does not seem to be interested in focusing on more than one person. In post 162 is the first time he gives an opinion on who else may be Mafia.
Phillinnicus response:
Noob card, as per entire game. No effort. Not Town.
"Also, I was just kinda ragey at kestegs for putting me on an innocent little scumlist.
So I didn't really bother changing my vote because it looked like Moar was going to be locked anyway"Phillinnicus, who would you have voted for had Moar not been an obvious lynch to you?
kestegs reply:
Evasive as hell. Urges a vote on Moar while voting Phil. Knew Moar was Town? Very likely.
And you think you do?
No they are not and were not at the time. What made my suspicions of Ankeli wane now is the fact that he is actually considering kestegs as Mafia.
Ok so I am going to try and logic this out. I am the cop and I investigated Kestegs last night. Why? Becuase he DIDNT vote for Moar and I am of the mindset of following lynch trains to find scum. Much more dangerous mafia who didnt vote Moar.
So people with votes on Phil:
Ankeli, Me, Kestegs. Two confirmed town.
IMO before Goryani went all in on Kestegs THERE WAS A LEGITIMATE CLAIM TO LYNCH PHIL. Solar jumped in and out as well.
Why I believe Ankeli to be town:
Jumped on Phil and hasn't wavered and no one else jumped in and stayed in when there was enough reason to lynch him 30 hours ago. If Ankeli had a scum buddy I am fairly confident Phil would be locked at this point.
Why Ankeli might be mafia:
Phil could be town and his partner could be Solar Ice or steering clear (I DO NOT FIND THIS LIKELY)
Why Solar Ice is town:
Again, Voted Phil, but unvoted after realizing there was a lot of time in the day. Phil had a good case to go and he had no reason to do this and no one else jumped and voted for Phil after him
Why Solar could be anti-town:
Phil could be town and he could be partnered with Ankeli and is worried about keeping his distance.
PHIL, Gory, Gwaihir:
I have a very strong feeling our two mafia are in this group. To me, Ankeli is the most town player in this game who I haven't cleared, and if I hold true to that theory, and PHIL IS TOWN, than Why would Gory and Gwaihir build a case for kestegs? There was absolutely no reason to. Zero. They had a target they could have focused on, built a case against, and been scot free in their thinking.
but they didnt.
They are building a case (which IS a pretty good one) against a verified townie from a sane cop.
Phil's lynch will tell us everything we need to know. If he is scum we got our two picks for tomorrow, and if he is town, I think Ank and Solar Ice are good targets.
There could be a much higher game going on right now similiar to Phar bussing his own man, but in a game with 9 people to start, now at 7, I dont think the mafia have that luxury. It would be way to risky to throw a guy under the bus right now and half your chance of winning the game.
Why you should trust me: I have zero reason to support kestegs as the cop right now. If he was my mafia buddy I would have gladly followed gorys claim and gone along with the plan and tried to play under the radar. 1 vs 5 is not enough of a disadvantage for me to risk my neck right now and come out with this.
So people with votes on Phil:
Ankeli, Me, Kestegs. Two confirmed town.
IMO before Goryani went all in on Kestegs THERE WAS A LEGITIMATE CLAIM TO LYNCH PHIL. Solar jumped in and out as well.
Why I believe Ankeli to be town:
Jumped on Phil and hasn't wavered and no one else jumped in and stayed in when there was enough reason to lynch him 30 hours ago. If Ankeli had a scum buddy I am fairly confident Phil would be locked at this point.
Why Ankeli might be mafia:
Phil could be town and his partner could be Solar Ice or steering clear (I DO NOT FIND THIS LIKELY)
Why Solar Ice is town:
Again, Voted Phil, but unvoted after realizing there was a lot of time in the day. Phil had a good case to go and he had no reason to do this and no one else jumped and voted for Phil after him
Why Solar could be anti-town:
Phil could be town and he could be partnered with Ankeli and is worried about keeping his distance.
PHIL, Gory, Gwaihir:
I have a very strong feeling our two mafia are in this group. To me, Ankeli is the most town player in this game who I haven't cleared, and if I hold true to that theory, and PHIL IS TOWN, than Why would Gory and Gwaihir build a case for kestegs? There was absolutely no reason to. Zero. They had a target they could have focused on, built a case against, and been scot free in their thinking.
but they didnt.
They are building a case (which IS a pretty good one) against a verified townie from a sane cop.
Phil's lynch will tell us everything we need to know. If he is scum we got our two picks for tomorrow, and if he is town, I think Ank and Solar Ice are good targets.
There could be a much higher game going on right now similiar to Phar bussing his own man, but in a game with 9 people to start, now at 7, I dont think the mafia have that luxury. It would be way to risky to throw a guy under the bus right now and half your chance of winning the game.
Why you should trust me: I have zero reason to support kestegs as the cop right now. If he was my mafia buddy I would have gladly followed gorys claim and gone along with the plan and tried to play under the radar. 1 vs 5 is not enough of a disadvantage for me to risk my neck right now and come out with this.
If Phil is town: I would say you, especially if kegs is mafia.
If Phil is mafia: Less clear, although I think Gory and SI are both options.
Just saw post
Unvote: kestegs
I was waiting as long as possible to try and get as much info as I could, but didnt think that was wise to wait longer.
Solar Ice I think could be further cleared by not voting in his last post when he could have gone either way without drawing a lot of heat at all (if him and ank are a team that is, he could have voted Stegs to distance, or Phil to help his pal)
Why I dont believe Gory and Gwaihir are a team:
They have day talk and could have just gone after Phil. It would be much more of a red flag for both of them to be building this stegs case together than not knowing he was town.
The building the Kestegs train when a Phil one was in place and valid is the sticking point of all of this.
Solar Ice I think could be further cleared by not voting in his last post when he could have gone either way without drawing a lot of heat at all (if him and ank are a team that is, he could have voted Stegs to distance, or Phil to help his pal)
Why I dont believe Gory and Gwaihir are a team:
They have day talk and could have just gone after Phil. It would be much more of a red flag for both of them to be building this stegs case together than not knowing he was town.
The building the Kestegs train when a Phil one was in place and valid is the sticking point of all of this.