OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

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BOB! Who are you? Everyone else has laid a claim on the table, why haven't you joined the party? While I agree with goltar that you're probably the Doc, at this point there is no point hiding.

vote Thyiad

Because she's dirty. I know it, she knows it, you all know it.
 
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Seriously, my other suspects are Naz, Pure, Serdash, with goltar an outside chance as a greed target.
 
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Vote Thyiad

Annoyed I want to vote maattie, Jason?

I'm not bluffing go ahead and kill me.
 
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I'm game. Here is your updated table.
Code:
Alive:
Thyiad......................Claimed drinker, saw NacRuno out night 2.
Goltar......................Claimed drinker, saw NacRuno out night 1.
Bob
PureSummon..................Claimed drinker, saw Ray Patean out night 4.
friedbananazz...............Claimed cautious, [i]snoop by Merlin confirms townie[/i].
Naz.........................Claimed cautious, hasn't used ability yet.
Serdash.....................Claimed drinker, saw Puresummon out night 4.
Jason........................Claimed cautious.
Merlin......................Claimed Snoop.
maatiarna................... Claimed drinker, saw Ray Patean out night 3.

Dead:
Aman........................Agent, NKed night 1.
Ray.........................Goon, NKed night 6.
Lukin.......................Agent, lynched day 5.
Azador/SiTro................Agent, NKed night 2.
NacRuno.....................Rival Mafia, lynched day 2.
Nolecub.....................Townie, NKed night 4.
Zhao Yue....................Townie, NKed night 1.
Jaedhann....................Townie, lynched day 4.
Sint........................Agent, NKed night 4.
Magicboy....................Rival Mafia, lynched day 3.
W_m.........................Townie, NKed night 5.
Lister......................Rival Mafia, lynched day 1.
Liquid......................Claimed drinker, NKed night 3.

Bob is the only person left without a claimed role. However, the doc may have figured out the best thing for him/her to do is either to not claim a role or claim a cautious townie role .
Which leaves the following persons on my list for a potential doc role: Bob, Jason. Nazdakka might be the doc, if he decided it was no use trying to make a random save on night 1, but I find this unlikely.

Let's look at the dead mafia for a sec. the first one is lynched on day 1, lister. Same goes for NacRuno, on pretty much the same claim (both had been spotted as active on night 1). So it's safe to infer that these were genuine rival mafia(no greed). That leaves MagicBoy, who was lynched on the following day. His posts stayed the same durnig his three active days, little constructiveness, he kept posting recaps and suspicious lists, without adding much to the discussion. Since his behavior hasn't changed over those days, and he never claimed a role as well, I'd daresay the GREED victim was neither of the three.

So let's look at that last scumbag. Who can be converted? Obviously, it HAD to be done on night 2 or night 3. And they would in all likelyhood go after a selfconfessed townie, with drinkers being a better target then 'staying cautious' types. So who had claimed a townie role in the first two days?
Liquid Evil (dead), Nazdakka(he said on day 1 he chose the cautious ability),

Thyiad and Goltar were both out drinking.

Both showed consistent posting behavior throughout the game. Thyiad is off chasing moonbeams ever since day 2. For some reasons unclear to all, she has made it her personal vendetta to see Maatiarna dangling from a treetop with a noose around her neck. If she was recruited, it would be safest for her to continue her roleplaying as the 'random voter'

Goltar's posts are of high quality ever since day 1. Is it a cover? He professed outrage when his wife was NK'd a couple of nights ago, but this could very well be a smokescreen. He also states in his post yesterday that it would make little sense for the mafia to recruit someone who had outed one of their members, due to animosity. Perhaps good roleplaying, but poor logic, if you ask me :P Finally, he said that MagicBoy would have been a likely Greed candidate days ago, but he never gave a reason why.

Nazdakka - Targetting him may be a bit less likely, but then again, he was the man with the plan on day 1, and, as such, someone that might be trusted. Furthermore, his post pattern changed (he gave an explanation for this a few posts ago, but still). HE also made the first draft of the above table, which certainly does not make him innocent in my eyes, but does contribute in a helpful manner, and makes him an even less likely candidate in my book.

So my list from most likely bad guy/girl to least likely bad guy/girl has changed once again, but will stay this way for now:

1) Goltar
2) Thyiad
3) Nazdakka

Since I think the last bad guy/girl is the Greed victim, all other people now fall below my radar. They will remain there, unless someone can come up with a really good explanation why a person should be included.
(As for Jason, I got the impression he had a cautious townie claim going from day 1, inferred from (but certainly not admitted by) Jasons's post Re Naz's plan on day 1(...you can't make this plan work, because a lot of townies might have chosen to remain cautious...)). The Mafia might have picked up on this as well, but I don't consider him a likely target nevertheless.

For now, I will humor her and Vote:Thyiad. Even if she isn't the last mafiosi, she means one less name on the suspect list, and people are already voting for her.
 
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Thyiad why fall on your own sword with the vote for yourself?

There are 2 reasons everyone thinks you are dirty is that you are refusing to answer one question sufficiently: Why do you think I am anti-town given that I outed Ray after drinking night 3 and how would I have known that he was active if I was anti-town as it would be suicide to claim drinking town and name Ray. And on top of the Ray did indeed confirm that he was active and in fact the friendly neighbourhood Goon.

And the other reason is the previous Sint and Watermoon died after opening the vote on you. Which makes you very suspicious. So either the last remaining rival mafia is tryingto frame you or you are the last remaining rival mafia.
Thyiad if you are not please stop this temper tantrum and give the town some helpful insight so we can get this 1 and only bad guy that is left.

At the moment I have 2 suspicions 1) as everyone well knows is Thyiad and
2) is Naz due to his change in posting style. Mafia may have used greed on him.

I will await Thyaid's response before voting.
 
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And another ADDENDUM, once again, I misread. Goltar never made a claim that magicboy was a likely greed victim, so someone else must have and I got confused.

Addendum to thyiad - Who is left to frame her? No one. Which makes people dying because they cast suspicion her way even more suspicious of her, really...
 
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Thyiad why fall on your own sword with the vote for yourself?

Because I like proving people wrong. I'm a townie.

There are 2 reasons everyone thinks you are dirty is that you are refusing to answer one question sufficiently: Why do you think I am anti-town given that I outed Ray after drinking night 3 and how would I have known that he was active if I was anti-town as it would be suicide to claim drinking town and name Ray. And on top of the Ray did indeed confirm that he was active and in fact the friendly neighbourhood Goon.

Good point. I'm just going by posting. And I am still very very concerned that you were following Sint so closely. Maybe you got converted. I'd have to check the timescale of the night 3 and post <whatever number 384?> (I'm not near my notes.)

And the other reason is the previous Sint and Watermoon died after opening the vote on you. Which makes you very suspicious. So either the last remaining rival mafia is tryingto frame you or you are the last remaining rival mafia.

It's a frame but you won't believe me so I might as well help you all lose the game. :tongue:

Thyiad if you are not please stop this temper tantrum and give the town some helpful insight so we can get this 1 and only bad guy that is left.

That isn't a temper tantrum. No one on this forum has ever seen me genuinely angry. I play Mafia my way. It obviously confuses a lot of you and that's not a problem for me. I have *never* claimed false in a Mafia game. I'm not that good a liar.

At the moment I have 2 suspicions 1) as everyone well knows is Thyiad and
2) is Naz due to his change in posting style. Mafia may have used greed on him.

I will await Thyaid's response before voting.

Naz is so far under the radar as to be grounded, IMO.

Vote for me if you want, you're cutting your own throat. Unless your mafia in which case you are harming the town.

So lynch me guys if you want. But I *will* come up townie. I'm willing to do what no one else is doing and that is bet their own life on it. The only way I will come up mafia is if someone falsifies evidence. Don't know if that's possible after they're all dead.



 
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Oh and if I was mafia would I be dumb enough to vote for myself? It would lose me the game. I have a LOT more to lose by doing that than by being a townie. Use your logic people, it doesn't make sense.
 
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I am still not sure whether voting for yourself counts, thyiad. Muzzz may have said something about that the day before though, I will have to look it up.

Oh, and let's stay clear on this: the last remaining baddie is rival mafia. If Sint WAS a bad guy(there is doubt about this), he was an undercover cop. If maatiarna was converted, she certainly wouldn't be following Sint.
 
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Unless Thyiads vote on herself is the deciding vote, I don't think it matters.

Merlin makes a good point about the maatiarna following Sint logic.

@maatiarna - you were supspiciuos to me because Thyiad thought that you were suspicious. As I stated before the other time Thyiad was this bent on lynching someone she was right. Thyiad was suspicious of you because of her perceived connection between you and Sint. I could see her point in that you and Sint seemed to have a similar agenda, but now I believe that was coincidence given what Merlin has just pointed out, so you're off my suspicious list.

Thyiad would be off too if she'd stop voting for herself. If you're a familia fine, be a familia and help us lynch your other suspect, Nazdakka. Unless you have someone else you'd like to point out?

P.S. @maatiarna - I finally learned how to spell your name without having to go back and check two or three times. :grin:
 
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Untill we found out which side lukin was on then we didn't know who was left did we? So it was valid to look at those corresponding posts.

Are we 100% sure there is only one bad guy left? No one could have co-opted?
 
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With succesful use of both Greed and falsify evidence, AT MOST 8 people can turn up as dead guys. So far, seven confirmed bad guys have died(Aman, Lister, SiTro, NacRuno, Magicboy, Sint and Lukin) , and there was a NK, so there is ONE bad guy left. And that person is a probable Greed suspect. Please reread my post on the previous page. I think it is pretty clear.

Thyiad, you point at maatiarna, and continue to do so despite the questions that have been tossed about. Several people died that suspected you, in a row. You keep voting for yourself and then pointing out that you can't be mafia, because you'd have a lot more to loose ansd thusly wouldn't be voting for yourself, but while this is logically correct, it proves nothing. Just another smokescreen you erect.
Frankly, I find this whole 'vote for yourself' thing not just silly, but also unproductive and contra the spirit of the game. What would happen if everyone in the town would follow your logic? I vote for myself to prove to you lot I am not mafia. Really.
 
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Then vote for me and prove me right. :grin:
 
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Hmm, I just thought about this some more. Sint said he wasn't the doctor, but he did save me. I originally figured that was simply by him drawing more attention to himself by hinting doctor. On the next day, he flat out said he wasn't the doctor. However, when he was killed, he showed cop. I've been thinking falsify was used on him, as he really didn't seem like an enemy. But what if he was our doctor? Or if I'm wrong about him, what about one of the others who showed cop? Could our doctor already be dead? I'm just wondering why Bob isn't claiming doctor. With everyone else having a role claim somewhere, he's the only one left.

And Merlin, I don't recall if I actually posted it or not, but I was thinking that Magicboy might have been converted. My reasoning was that Magicboy was not being very helpful, but not standing out too much (at least to me at the time). Not a very likely possibility, but considering that the rivals we have lynched have not put up a very good defense at all, they may not have used their ability very well. It's quite possible (and a little more likely in my mind) they tried to jump ahead at somebody who had not yet used their power in order to prevent another drinker, or worst case reduce the number of people who could stay cautious. By night 1, they'd already lost one member with another one outed and up for a lynch the next day. So at that point it would be best for them if they could reduce the number of remaining drinkers. The odds would be in their favor as well, with 3 town power roles, 1 or 2 remaining cops depending on which night they did it, and a large number (I'm not calculating that number's range due to the many possibilities with falsification and two days considered) of townies remaining.
 
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Alright, fine. I am the Doctor. I had hoped to avoid a direct claim so that I would have a bit more freedom to choose who to save.

Being the Doc is one of the main reasons I have been fairly quiet this game. I wanted enough attention that the familia would suspect me and keep attention on me to ward off a NK thinking that the EotF would likely kill the most helpful familia. If the EotF thought I might be lynched it would save them a NK. I also needed to participate enough to keep from being lynched. I figured a slow but helpful approach would meet my needs in both areas, and I was right.

As for my actions, I saved myself night 1. Then, once all the drinking and spotting people at night happend I got scared and stayed home for three nights. I know, can't help save the town if I don't try, but you'll be happy to know that I would've missed the target all three nights anyway. I don't remember who I would've saved on each night, but I remember thinking "good thing I didn't go out last night, 'cause I might've been spotted for no reason". I can tell you that I had considered saving Thyiad and Merlin at some point, but I don't remember exactly when.

I had a 50/50 chance last night between Merlin and Ray, I chose wrong.

For the record, I would've gone along with Naz's 1st day plan if everyone else would've played along. I know it was big risk for me, but it's moot since the plan never played out.
 
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Muzzzzzzzzz if you get converted and you're drinking on the same night. Do you still get to 'view' somene and then convert?
 
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Merlin did you see anyone out last night?
 
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Never mind found the post Merlin. It was at the bottom of a page and I skimmed it. I can't find my previous notes and I'm going to let my vote stand. I hope you find the real baddie tomorrow. :smiley:
 
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Merlin: I'm not the Doc. I suspect either Bob is, or else Sint was the Doc all along and trying his best to smokescreen his way out of suspicion for that role. Given my previous statements on the matter, I would have admitted the role by now if I had it.

Thyiad: you're probably right, you know. But I think by now most people are sick of you saying so, and simply want to know for sure. With 9 townies and only 1 mafia left, we can afford to take that chance. I agree with all those who suspect Naz may have been turned. The other suspects I have are Pure (an easy claim to spot Ray after he has admitted the Goon role), Serdash (an easy claim to spot Pure after he admits being out on the night in question), and Bob (if he's not the Doc, he's probably dirty, which may explain his non-claim, because he knows a false Doc claimwill be immediately gainsaid).


I am convinced somewhere in this list of 5 people is the last bad guy (or girl):

- Thyiad
- Naz
- Pure
- Serdash
- Bob

The only way the town can lose is if the last of the 5 we attack turns out to be the one.
I have ruled out the following people:

- Merlin (Snoop, no counter-claim)
- maatiarna (her reaction to Thyiad's accusation absolutely convincesme she's not bunging it on)
- myself (obviously)
- goltar (outed a bad guy early on, nothing to suggest a greed conversion)
- fried (courtesy of Merlin)

Thyiad appears locked in today, which I guess will at least give us an answer. I am half inclined to switch to Naz, but there's probably too many votes for Thyiad for that to be worth the trouble, and part of me just wants to know for sure about Thyiad.

And no, I'm not in any way offended by Thy's attack on my wife. After she fleeced me in the last round, I have no qualms about people going after her. Believe me, my wife is the one frustrated by the constant attacks, not me.

And Bob: maatiarna is not her real name.:laugh: It's some Maori name that means something to her, but I'm stuffed if I can remember what it means (she was born in the Land of the Long White Cloud).
 
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