OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well, now that lukin's goose looks cooked, we should spend the remaining ~24 hours trying to nut out a plan. We certainly need to account for contingencies (e.g. lukin showing townie, which I doubt), but we need a decent and adaptable plan of attack if we are to prevent a lone remaining bad guy laughing as we assist their victory. I've already suggested we go after Bob and fried following lukin, and a few others seem to suspect both of them, so I move this as a worthwhile plan until one or the other or both of them decide to favour us with some more information, especially Bob.

The fact is, there is pretty much no good reason (as I see it) to hold back at this stage. Nearly everyone has a standing claim, we know two of our power roles, we have a player who reacts in the most guilty way possible to being blocked - by not reacting, leaving them floundering when it is later revealed they were out and about. I predict that after today we will be down to one bad guy, which will be good as he can't kill both the Goon and the Snoop, and faces the chance of being prevented by either the Goon or the doc.

I said previously the power roles this round were pretty much useless and therefore expendable, and I believe that generally to be true, but I believe they will come into their own if we get down to 1 lone baddy. 1 lynch per night against 3 power roles, two who can prevent said lynch, is very much in the town's favour. And if the Goon hits successfully, voila, it is game over.

It has been suggested that a lone bad guy could try the lie low trick, but all that could provide is a stalemate. The only to a win is being lucky enough to be the last lynch candidate picked by the town.

Anyway, some thoughts to ponder while we take care of getting rid of lukin.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Right now, several people strike me as suspicious - Serdash, obviously, for his spotting PureSummon on the night Pure was drinking and claiming it one day later. At best, he is a non-contributor and should be lynched to avoid confusion.
Goltar25 would be quite suspicious if lukin turns out to be an undercover cop. He is on almost everybody's trusted list, and can safely sit out the game once I and the last townie have been taken care of.
That same reasoning goes for Thyiad. Not only was Sint NK'd after pushing for Thyiad, but she is still pushing for maatiarna, and hasn't adressed the in my eyes pretty relevant question I asked her earlier (How to explain outing Ray on night 3?).
PureSummon for making the easy roleclaim, but I dont get a strong mafia vibe from this, because he knew it would create suspicion for him.
friedbananazzzz claimed an unused townie role in post 452. These last few days, I don't get much of a mafia vibe from him, but I am of two minds here.

The rest come of reasonably well. Bob posts little, but his posts seem on the level. Jason and Naz bear watching, they might have been greed victims if Lukin turns out to be an undercover cop.
 
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Not only was Sint NK'd after pushing for Thyiad, but she is still pushing for maatiarna, and hasn't adressed the in my eyes pretty relevant question I asked her earlier (How to explain outing Ray on night 3?).

Missed question. Ask please.



 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Firstly, apologies for the rather dodgy phrasing for my request to repeat. I was muching a bag of cheese & onion Walkers and my other hand was otherwise engaged.

As to your question: no clue. I'm going by post 381 and 394 - too close to Sint for my liking.

I'm not particularly fussed about Seedys lack of posting. If you check his post history, he hasn't really posted much ANYWHERE.

I want to see what happens with lukin tonight. If that confirms you then I'm hoping we get another chance to get inside info from you tomorrow.

The silent trio of Naz, Bob and Fried ... well. They make it hard but ... something niggles about Ray. But if he wasn't the Goon someone would have counter claimed so I guess he must be.

Hmph.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

in my post #502 I unvoted Pure near the beginning, and voted for Dash at the end, since you've obviously missed it

Yeah, sorry about that. I did get the unvote, but I must've turned off my brain for the rest of the post.

I was muching a bag of cheese & onion Walkers and my other hand was otherwise engaged.

:wink2:

Teh tally:

Code:
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee    votee         
     1  Thyiad                      Maatiarna     
     2  Merlin                      Lukin         
     3  Lukin                       Friedbananaz  
     4  Lukin         Friedbananaz  PureSummon    
     5  Lukin         PureSummon    Maatiarna     
     6  PureSummon                  Lukin         
     7  PureSummon    Lukin         
     8  Jason                       Serdash       
     9  Maatiarna                   Serdash       
    10  Friedbananaz                Serdash       
    11  Serdash                     PureSummon    
    12  Jason         Serdash       Lukin         
    13  PureSummon                  Lukin         
    14  Ray                         Lukin         
    15  Thyiad        Maatiarna     Lukin         
    16  Goltar                      Lukin         
    17  Bob                         Lukin

Lukin        7  
Serdash      2  
Maatiarna    1  
PureSummon   1  

Not voting:  
Naz



 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Oh, one other thing. All things considered equal, I would greatly appreciate it if the doc makes up his/her own mind about saving me wee lil' bum tonight. The idea being that this forces the mafia/cops to not lay low tonight, and come out for a nightkill. And thus give people the chance to spot them. Because if they lay low, they have to figure there is/was a chance that the doc will try to save me another night.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Let's make it even surer. Not like it's needed either way. First chance to post after a long day at work, hence missing the various discussions...

Vote lukin

Next question: What was Puresummon up to?

(Post to follow re: plan)
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Oh, duh. My mistake. I thought Serdash said he saw you last night.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

In light of the information that has been revealed by Merlin and his confession of being the Snoop. That Lukin was active last night and Ray tried to block him I am going to Unvote Serdash
Vote Lukin
@Thyiad I really do hate being called Marty (really really hate) it is maatiarna, but mattie is fine. And please do me the favour of going and read my posts from the last game as I did for you. It will not take long there are only about 5 or 6.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

New shorterned version noted.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sorry about my delay on posting guys. Double shifts at work = teh suckage.

So my lack of a post on the previous day is actually concerning me quite a bit. The previous night I decided to go out drinking and I saw PureSummon out at night.

I know this evidence is bad to display on the day AFTER when I should have presented it, but better late than never, right?

I know it's also going to be harder for people to accept since I hadn't voted or posted, and some seem to find my activity suspicious, but I'm sticking to my "I'm kinda busy with Real Life" argument, since it's the only one I actually have.

That's why I choose...

Vote: PureSummon

@ Naz, Serdash did see Puresummon out but it wasn't last night it was the night before the day that he did not post anything.


 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Daytime plan: Work our way through lynching remaining unconfirmed townies.

Nighttime plan: Has anyone got a full list of who is alive, and who has claimed what ability? Do we have any drinkers left?

I think my plan will work right now. It will produce a Family/EotF staring contest, which is good. I don't think a Doctor-covers-Snoop plan is as strong.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Merlin, I seriously doubt the mafia would have recruited someone who had outed one of their members. There'd be a bit too much animosity there for things to work well. But since I know someone will ask me to do this at some point, I'll go ahead and say it now, on a separate line very obviously for everyone.

I am still a member of the family.

If you want to waste a lynch on me, go ahead. Not today please, since it appears we've got a good shot at an enemy in lukin today. We do however need to start planning out the next few days. We know we'll at least have one enemy left, since Ray blocked lukin and there was still a kill.

The question which will be answered at the end of the day, and a very important question, is whether lukin is a cop or a rival (or doctor, but I'm doubting that). If he is a cop, then we've got a convert somewhere. Now that convert could very well have been magicboy. Not likely NacRuno, as I saw him out the very first night. Or it could be a townie who had claimed an ability early. As I recall, of the early claimers, the only ones remaining are myself, Thyiad, and Nazdakka. I know that I am still in the family. I can't be sure of the others, and nobody else can be sure of me. This quickly devolves into a finger pointing contest. Which becomes random lynching. Might work, might not.

I suggest we make use of Ray and Merlin's abilities. There are drawbacks to this as well, but here's how I see it. If Ray blocks someone, and there is no night kill, either that person was an enemy, or the enemy decided to lay low. However, if Merlin investigates the same person Ray blocks, then we know if they tried to do something or not. This could be defeated by the enemy not doing anything, but at this point they desperately need to kill us off, as we are at a significant advantage. Granted, this could also catch the doctor. Is that a risk we're willing to take? Thus far the doctor has not saved anyone, but Merlin and Ray have claimed their roles, and the enemy knows them now, so they're prime targets. Though I have to seriously wonder why Ray hasn't been targeted yet. However, with Merlin's ability, he can in the right situation definitively clear someone. If there is a kill, and the person he investigates was not active, then there is no way that person was involved in the kill.

The biggest problem becomes one of coordination. Ray can, if he wants, announce who he will be blocking. But if the enemy decides to do nothing, then that person becomes a lot more suspicious, and that suspicion basically falls under control of our enemy. A worse scenario would be if Merlin announces who he is investigating beforehand. Then, if that person is an enemy, they simply choose to do nothing that night and they're safe for a bit longer.

Now I'm talking myself into confusion. Well, basically, I'm saying let's have Ray and Merlin mostly guide us for now with their night actions.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I've trimmed this down quite a bit, so it's not a direct quote, but all the information is still correct. (though it doesn't keep in mind that anyone could be false-claiming)
Post #549
Jason Maher said:
So let me re-summarise the current standings in light of recent revelations:
Thyiad - Claims to be a drunk townie, used. Saw NacRuno on night 2.
maatiarna - Claims to be a drunk townie, used. Saw Ray Patean on night 3.
goltar25 - Claims to be a drunk townie, used. Saw NacRuno on night 1.
Puresummon - Claims to be a drunk townie, used. Saw Ray Patean on night 4.
Serdash - Claims to be a drunk townie, used. Saw Puresummon on night 4.
Nazdakka - Claims to be a cautious townie (by default). Has not claimed to have used his ability as yet.
Jason Maher- Claims to be a cautious townie, used his ability on night 5.
Ray Patean - Claims the role of Goon. No-one has as yet counter-claimed.
Merlin The Wizzard - Seemingly claimed to be either the Snoop or a drunk townie. Claims to have seen lukin active on night 5.

lukin - Has made no claim, other than not being a power role.
BobTheWarrior - Has made no role claim as yet.
friedbananazzzz - Has made no role claim as yet.

I might as well make my claim now, I chose to Stay Cautious. So I think we're out of drinkers. Unless Bob is one, but if he was I would think he would have used it and told us by now. lukin is widely suspected to be EotF, and I suppose Bob and I are too (though hopefully I've lessened the suspicion on myself by now). If Merlin isn't really the Snoop, then they could actually be one of the drunk townies, which I think is a great way to hide who they really are.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Nazdakka said:
Nighttime plan: Has anyone got a full list of who is alive, and who has claimed what ability? Do we have any drinkers left?
Should have put it in my previous post, but I put that up in response to Naz's request. I think I answered his question as well.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Daytime plan: Work our way through lynching remaining unconfirmed townies.

Nighttime plan: Has anyone got a full list of who is alive, and who has claimed what ability? Do we have any drinkers left?

I think my plan will work right now. It will produce a Family/EotF staring contest, which is good. I don't think a Doctor-covers-Snoop plan is as strong.

So I have a Merlin filter, and now Naz has a Jason filter. Honestly, how much bold text do I need to use before my posts become visible? :laugh:


 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Some late breaking news: all 3 of our recently departed (Sint, nolecub, w_m) voted for the same person the day before they were NKed.

*drum roll*

There's either a frame job going on Thyiad, or she is dirty as last week's unwashed washing.
 
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