OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I just skimmed over the new posts, and people want to know who I blocked. I went with who I still thought was suspicious, and blocked Lukin last night.

I'll read the posts well when I have a bit more time, I just wanted to get this bit of information out.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Ray, nothing much was added really. Lukin has been in and out of the suspicious zone pretty much every day now, and his little doomsday litany just now rubs me decisively wrong. So I'll just

Vote:Lukin
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

@ Merlin
When I say lost, please don't overexaggerate my meaning.

I'm saying that yesterday, for the first time we were vulnerable and directionless. That certainly is not doomsday or anything else. From my observations, it just seemed that yesterday most of the town (including myself) was clueless or basing their vote on very little evidence.

@Naz Your point about Sint being the last undercover cop is valid, but I have been trying to think up reasons why the undercover cops would choose the good cop option and I can't think of anything good. The other alternative would be that they never used the bad cop option (maybe they were saving it?)

This is now the third night in which there was only one NK...the odds of someone hitting someone who "stayed cautious" three times are slim. If the doctor saved someone we would know it, the odds of the mafia and the undercover cops hitting the same person are also slim. I think one or both of the groups is intentionally hiding at night to avoid being spotted.

@Fried this seems like a thinly veiled plot to expose the snoop. I suspect you more than anyone else.

VOTE: Friedbananazz
 
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I have already explained that I thought it was highly suspicious that you and Fried jumped ship when Nac came out as goon. There were three people that unvoted Nac and you have me (for now) thinking you are townie. Merlin as well.

Fried is the only one who feels suspicious and did that.

Of the rest of the bunch, my feeling is that Puresummon is also due for examination (oddly enough because of Fried's post yesterday.)

To be honest, I am not sure of much right now, except I think I have the town roles figured out and I want to make sure they get protected from lynching.

The people that feel mafia to me are:

Fried
Puresummon
Serdash
Bob

Everyone else seems pretty safe.
 
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I'd like you to explain about the "thinly veiled plot to expose the snoop" sentance.

Also, as I've pointed out already, I unvoted before Nac came out...
 
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The plot refers to Fried's plan for everyone to stay home, not drink and for the snoop to then go out and find the active roles and then reveal themselves the next day.

It has too many holes in it, showed little understanding of the role, and was very suspicious.

Could it be that he is the mafia member hiding out at night?

The whole thing was suspicious to me.

Sorry, about saying you jumped ship after Nac came out. I was just looking at the vote count (it's what I get for being lazy)
 
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@lukin ...ignoring his post at the top of this page? (post 521)

Re: Mad schemes -

I've just been struck by another idea about this. If you're a townie and haven't revealed which ability you chose, keep it that way - do not tell us. I think that, if we choose to go down the route of my drink/doc scheme, we might be able to use the uncertainty about which ability you have to get more bang for our buck from the drinking ability. The point is that we're actually using the threat of drinking to shut down NKs, as opposed to the effect of the ability. Therefore, we don't necessarily need to drink, we just need to raise the possibility.

Outline: Townie with unknown ability steps forward. Doc covers, everyone else stays home. If the townie took the drinking ability, they use it. If they took 'stay cautious', they do nothing. The EotF are thus forced to take a risk if they want to NK. If the townie chose the drinking ability, they are 50/50 to get found out if they try and NK. If the townie chose 'stay cautious', they can NK safely... but they won't know when it's safe and when it isn't.

Thoughts? Other proposals are very welcome, and they don't have to be as complex as this. The most important thing is that we decide on something by the end of today. Some people will inevitably disagree with whatever we choose, but once we get a majority view people will need to respect that regardless of their personal opinion.
 
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The problem with that scheme, Nazdakka, is that it becomes a game of verbal tag. One person claims to have seen X. X claims to have been the doc, or claims that this is a false claim and that (s)he is someone else entirely, and the supposed townie iss really an enemy of the family.
 
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Allow me to propose a scheme of my own:

So far, we know a couple of things with a fair amount of certainty:
a) Ray Patean is in all likelyhood the goon
b) Even with the use of all their abilities, there are at most two people left as enemy factions, and those are most probably members of the two rival groups (cops and mafia).

I think that the reason we only had 1 NK this night is either because Ray blocked one of the factions, or there is only 1 faction left (the latter being a bit more likely).

So my suggestion : We lock in on a lynch for Lukin. Whatever the outcome, if there is still one rival left, tomorrow all the town powerroles do a reveal and tell what/who they protected/ snooped/ blocked. With that information at hand, and at most 1 Enemy of the Family left, it should be quite doable to ferret him/her for a lynching party.
 
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Merlin,

I agree with your first assmuption that Ray is the goon....at the very least, I see no evidence to the contrary.

Your second assumption is that there are either 1 or 2 anti-town roles left.

This is nothing but recap.

Your plan is not at all useful and is another disguised attempt to get the snoop out in the open. After you lynch me. Once the town lynches me and finds out I am a townie, then we are at the same place we were yesterday, minus a total possible 3 townies (if there are 2 factions left.) The snoop has been sending us messages the last two days if you haven't been paying attention and most of us have willfully ignored it. Since I know who it is, don't you think I would have taken care of it if I were anti-town?

I don't think you are anti-town...what I can't figure out is why you think I am. You have zero evidence that I am anti-town other than Ray blocking me last night which means absolutely nothing.
 
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I am also changing my vote. I have reread Friedbananazz post about Puresummon a few times and I have read through his posts. I believe Fried is right about Puresummon.

UNVOTE:Friedbananazz
VOTE:Puresummon
 
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Lukin and Fried--The only thing you seem to find suspicious about me that has any merit is that I changed my vote to vote for Liquid instead of Lister in the early going. I have already discussed that I based my decision to do so on faulty logic and bitter feelings from last game when Liquid played many of us like a fool. I saw the opportunity to lynch Liquid, who was acting suspicious in my mind, and possibly have two EotFs out in two days, as Lister had already admitted to being mafia. Lister also called out Liquid as a fellow mafioso, which added fueled to my already suspicious, yet ultimately misguided, feelings. If that is enough to lynch me, then so be it, but it will do nothing to help the town.

As far as seeing Ray out when I was drinking, if I was a EotF that would do nothing to help me, as we had already been suspicious of people who claimed to see someone out that we knew was already out, Thyiad claiming to see Ray I believe. If I was going to false-claim a drinking use, I would have went with someone that had not claimed a role that gave them a reason for being out.
 
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Also, as of right now I am tempted to vote for Lukin, not in retaliation, but because Ray saw him out. I believe there is a very good chance that there are still two EotFs left, and that Ray very well might have blocked Lukin. However, we still have a lot of time left, and I am hoping some more information comes to light that can help us deduce just how many EotFs are left exactly, as I believe there are still a few people who have not posted today.
 
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Interesting....

First and foremost, Ray never saw me out. He just blocked me last night. That means nothing unless you believe I have a town powerrole (which I don't) or you believe that I am one of the factions which is why there was only one NK last night. I admit that Ray blocking me and there only being one NK is suspicious. However, there have been five nights and two NK's twice. Three times now, one of the groups has withdrawn from killing or else been blocked (I am convinced that they are laying low as the odds of continual blocking/stay cautious are too great.) In any case, I think it is a strech to think that just because Ray blocked me and there wasn't a NK it automatically points at me.

It also places a lot of power in the hands of the weakest town role.

Right now Pure, I think you and I are in the same boat. I honestly suspect 5 people, but no one really more than another and I don't feel secure about anyone. I am going to stick with you, for now unless someone can prove otherwise.
 
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One more possible scenario...

Thy is convinced Maatiarna is EotF
Maatiarna is convinced Thy is EotF

I believe they are both townies. I would be willing to vote for Maatiarna because I believe in Thyiad. In any case, we would find out more about them both.

UNVOTE:Puresummon
VOTE: MAATIARNA

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I will only have one more chance to log on and do anything before the nighttime and wanted to get my votes in now as well as explain my side and get some ideas out.
 
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Sorry, I did not mean to say that Ray saw you out, I just meant to say that because he blocked you and there was only 1 NK, which does not prove anything. Long weekend.

I can understand you picking someone and staying with them, but your posting pattern seems odd today. You say you know who the snoop is, that they are still alive, and that they have been sending us clues. You then go on to vote for fried, but have a change of heart after reading fried's posts and vote for me. I believe that you and fried are the only ones who have raised any real suspicions of me lately (I could be mistaken). So I can only conclude that you think fried is the snoop, but if so, then why did you vote for him originally.

You read my posts, conclude that you think you and I are in the same boat, but keep your vote on me. I don't get it, and you are only raising my suspicions with every post.

Vote: Lukin
 
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Well crap, you posted that while I was posting. You ease my suspicion a little bit concerning us being in the same boat. Your explanation and vote changes are beginning to make me agree that you may be just a little confused like I am. For now, I will

Unvote: Lukin
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Another possible explanation for 1 NK: I stayed cautious last night. I have no idea whether someone tried to NK me or not, seems muzzz is not forthcoming with such info for cautious toiwnies.

I think there are 3 viable explanations: myself (or perhaps someone else) staying cautious, the Doc making a save, or there being in fact only 1 bad guy left. I can't see the bad guys voluntarily forgoing a NK, unless it was to frame Thyiad in line with my comment yesterday (that a series of single NKs would make her look guilty).

water_moon I had marked as a power role. Hopefully she wasn't the Snoop, the one power role I believe can provide us with the information to finish the job.

Anyway, in line with everything I said yesterday:

vote Serdash
 
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