OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Hm.. after comming to another piece of that post, I came to the conclusion that it would actually be better to just kill nac and get it over with. It will clear him, goltar and thyiad.

unvote thyiad, vote nac

I dislike it because I really think he's town. However if he is, then we can be at least sure about 2 others too. Extra information ftw. Just lucky he isn't the doc or snoop..
 
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Wave time. Day will probably end soon so it's time to make a full write up. this will be long. If you want you can skip the first part, but I recommend reading the part where I tag everyone.

IMO as far as the first two days go it's mostly a guessing game. I always try to make some sort of a plan. Seeing how I usually get targetted soon, I decided on a short term plan this time using my townie role. I still believe it worked out and saved a kill at night. I've been pretty strong about that. It can also be very true that it was all utter bs and the goon stopped the killing. We can at least be sure that the doc didn't make the save. I also expect not to live long. This sounds lame and stuff, but in the past 6 rounds I haven't made it past day 2 as a townie. I don't particulary care about it, but it's still a bummer to go out quick. Which is also why I think it's TOTAL BS that zhao was killed on night 1. Why would I write this intro? Because of self-preserverence. Pity might give me another day. Or two.

I'll go cronological, every time someone died or claimed and last the people who are alive and haven't claimed.

Aman - dead.
Died on night 1 and prove to be an undercover agent. This could either be true or the agent have already used their power. I'm inclined to believe the second. I'll explain:
When I got muzz's PM saying I was townie, I started making plans on which night to drink and which night to stay awake. A couple of questions later it dawned on me that I had to choose either ability and could only use it once. So I took ''cautious'' and said I'd use it on night 2. I got a reply back along the lines: that I better confirm it then because else he'd forget. This means that if I hadn't added the ''I'll use it on night 2'', I probably would've stayed cautious on night 1. Brings me to believe it's REALLY easy for the cops to say ''ok we'll use falsify'' and that they used it immediately on night one whether intended or not.
Or we just got really lucky.

Verdict: 50/50 on town or cop.

Zhao Yue - dead.
Nothing much to add to the stuff I wrote above.

Verdict: town.

Liquid - Claimed drinker.
Can't make up my mind. Probably townie. Pretty much throwing himself at everyone so they'll follow the lead, but got the momentum going by lister's kill. I will not have a hand in lynching you even if you get nac-town killed today. You're too vocal not to die, either by an anti-town faction or by the rest of the town. I tend to look at the waves you're creating instead of you, yourself. Which is amusing because that's actually what more people should be doing, instead of saying ''hey, look, LE is pointing that way, should we either shoot our gun that way or shoot LE?''.

Verdict: town.

Naz - Claimed staying cautious.
The best part about all this is that I think he's town. The following the plan part followed by the keep following the plan even though people counter it part followed by the screw up that he can't even drink himself is a big hole. Funny stuff, probably true. Look at his plan as if he was mafia. Would he have proposed it if they couldn't kill the drinker? I don't think so. It's good to know for the mafia who's the townie outside at night, but it's better to know that there's confusion and multiple people go drinking so that they may spot eachother.

Verdict: town.

Goltar - Claimed drinker.
Most likely town. Not persé out of his posts, but because he saw nac outside. Yesterday. Today nac claimed a role. That means he must've been outside yesterday too. Hence goltar spoke the truth. Either that or he's in the same boat with nac, which I wouldn't believe. Which is also why I think nac is telling the truth about being town.

Verdict: town.

Lister - Claimed mafia.
And turned up one. Dead by now.

Verdict: mafia.

Sitro - dead.
Died right after replacing. Turned up cop. I'm inclined to believe this. As much as I'm inclined to believe aman was cop. So I think either one was. Meaning we got 1 cop down and not 2.

Verdict: 50/50 on town or cop.

Thyiad - Claimed drinker.
Or at least in her own words: ''Nacruno was out against last night''. I've been hunting you all day, trying to push you for replies or at least some info on what's going on. The best part is that I don't really think you're anti-town. You spotted nac which is either a very good play (making a guess from goltar's previous play) or just true. With nac claiming a role the only reason I can think of you anti-town is if you're in the same team as nac and desided to sacrifice one in order to keep you in. I really dislike the way you're handeling stuff though.. I can understand the attitude, but it's not helping at all.

Verdict: town.

Sint - Claimed cautious.
I'm right. Read my posts.

Verdict: town.

NacRuno - Claimed goon.
I'm really udner the impression he's town. Especially because he claimed ''activity'' the first time he was confronted, instead of a role. Only later when pushed he claimed a role. I wish you hadn't. I think you're town, but killing you will yield more information to work with.

Verdict: town - goon.

Those were the people that either died or claimed so far, unless I missed one. If I'm right so far, we're down 1 mafia and 1 cop. Leaving 4 anti-town people. I think I have to finish this quickly, I don't think I have much time left. The main problem here is that I do not feel like going trough the thread and go down the list and make a story about everyone like I did above. I can offer feelings. That's it. This will be not something from which you defend yourself from, look at it as constructive criticism.

Bob
Honestly, can't remember you contributing much. Blended in.

PureSummon
Same.

Serdash
Same.

Jaedhann
Same.

Jason
Same.

Nolecub
Feel town. A bit on the defencive side when it's not really needed, but otherwise somewhat constructive.

W_m
Two-tone here, you're probably town, but I don't like the edgy defenciveness. Hasn't contributed much either.

Ray
Doesn't talk too much. To me this is a vague sign of suspicion especially as I remember him taking down a game with a very good deduction in the end.

friedbananaz
Odd thing here, your posts look pro town, but still give me some sort of mafia vibe. Probably paranoia, but something still doesn't sit right.

Lukin
Feels mafia. Can't put my finger on it, but it started with the whole questioning about aman and zhao and follows with making points that don't sit right.

Magicboy
Feels mafia. Repeats others and was wondering why the doc claim after I already said it was a ploy.

Merlin
Feel mafia, feels really random. Tends to follow around and yet make a side step every now and then to point people in other directions.

maatiarna
Feels mafia. Again, nothing solid except for posting a lot, but not contributing much. Arguing things other come with instead of make a ripple of herself.

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That means I'm ending up with 5 anti-town names.
In order of most suspicion to less: Lukin, Magicboy, Maatiarna, Merlin, Friedbananaz.

Time for a shower.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I agree with Sint that in this situation it seems the lynch of Nac will give us the most information. This early in the game that is the best way we can gather information. If Nac turns out not to be mafia, then we can deal with Liquid tomorrow.
So vote Nac

As far as answering the suspicions of a few people that seem to begin turning towards me. All I can say to defend myself is that yes I relied on faulty logic yesterday, but I at least posted what that logic was, faulty as it may have been. Like I said, this is only my second game to play. All I can say is that I will try to be more active and insightful to help the town.
 
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Good post Sint...I've been sitting her for a half hour waiting for it.

Some points...oddly enough, with the exception of myself, I have much the same feeling about most of these people as you do. I find myself saying "this guy/girl" feels mafia but then go back read their posts and can't really pinpoint why.

I still can't figure out why you think my wondering about who killed Aman makes me seem mafia but oh well. I guess you get the same vibe from me I get from you: Feels like he could be mafia...posts some sketchy things on occasion or things that aren't quite explained well enough for me.
 
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Not that I think it matters after reading your long post, but my post was in response to your short post, as I guess I was still writing when you posted your long post. Also, that may the most posts I have ever used in one sentence.
 
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Pretty long post Sint

The only thing that I must disagree about is your suspicion list which seems rather bizarre. You supected me because I repeat others? I remember someone else saying those exact words... Also, as Liq already stated, you weren't clear that you were not the doc.

As for the others, I believe that Merlin is the most suspicious. This is mainly because his posts are long and constantly change sides. Friedbananazzzz seems to be pro-town to me and I have no idea why you believe that he is anti-town unless I am missing something.

And you also seem to be suspecting people that "aren't the usual". You clearly stated that Nacruno was probably pro-town and yet you voted for him.

I'm not sure what to make of this post. Most of it is good but some parts of it seem strange and unusual.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

sint hun if you think you have anti familia laying around, kill 'em, not yur bubba.
 
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Well, this is a grand mess of accusations. NacRuno could very well be the goon. His behavior has fit that role nicely. But he could very well be lying. His explanation of Liquid being an undercover cop and being successfully is so far-fetched that even I am having trouble believing it. While I am a little suspicious of L_E, that just doesn't make a bit of sense. I'd more easily believe that both he and NacRuno are rival mafia, and L_E is setting himself up to be well trusted. I think he's just lucked up thus far, and is simply a plain old townie at this point who everyone is a little too willing to follow. At this point, I'm in favor of lynching NacRuno just to see what his allegiance really is, and if need be, we take L_E down tomorrow.

Vote: NacRuno
 
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maatiarna said:
3In regards to taking an hour to write a post. I have a 19 month old daughter that I had to attend to whilst I was typing. Just look at my avitar and you can see my daughter. Now tell me Liq you try posting and having to look after a toddler in the late morning 10 or 11am here in Brisbane, Australia and see how long it takes you to post.
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amen sister



 
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NacRuno seemed to resign in his faith when I approached him. "There's no escaping this, is there?", he asked. "No", I answered. "But you could die trying." He seemed to consider this for a while before he spoke again. "Killing me won't save you, you know. I almost had the folks here convinced I was on their side. It's only a matter of time before someone dethrones you." I didn't care. A quick blow with my mug knocked him off his feet, where I left him to be disposed off by the family.

Code: 
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee  votee     
     1  Liquid                    NacRuno   
     2  Thyiad                    NacRuno   
     3  Nolecub                   NacRuno   
     4  NacRuno                   Liquid    
     5  Sint                      Thyiad    
     6  Jaedhann                  Thyiad    
     7  Nolecub       NacRuno     
     8  Maatiarna                 Thyiad    
     9  Jason                     Thyiad    
    10  Friedbananaz              Thyiad    
    11  Naz                       NacRuno   
    12  Merlin                    NacRuno   
    13  Friedbananaz  Thyiad      
    14  Serdash                   NacRuno   
    15  Merlin        NacRuno     Jaedhann  
    16  Lukin                     NacRuno   
    17  Ray                       NacRuno   
    18  Friedbananaz              NacRuno   
    19  Nolecub                   NacRuno   
    20  Naz           NacRuno     
    21  Thyiad        NacRuno     
    22  Friedbananaz  NacRuno     
    23  W_m                       MagicBoy  
    24  Naz                       NacRuno   
    25  Friedbananaz              NacRuno   
    26  Bob                       NacRuno   
    27  Magicboy                  Thyiad    
    28  Thyiad                    NacRuno   
    29  Jason         Thyiad      NacRuno   
    30  Sint          Thyiad      NacRuno   
    31  PureSummon                NacRuno   
    32  Goltar                    NacRuno   

NacRuno   13
Thyiad    3   
Liquid    1   
Jaedhann  1   
Magicboy  1

Not voting:
No one

Sorry for the slight delay. I got somewhat caught up in writing a little toy to align text for a code block.

NacRuno was lynched. He was part of the rival mafia.

It is now night 2. Once again, I need PM's from bad guys, power roles, and townies wanting to use their ability. If any of the bad guy teams or townie power roles choose not to act tonight, please inform me as well.
 
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Sint Nikolaas said:
This means that if I hadn't added the ''I'll use it on night 2'', I probably would've stayed cautious on night 1.
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Have some faith in me, will ya. Or dig up the rules-digest and search for explicit :rolleyes:



 
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NacRuno PM'ed me with a rather large post that got interrupted by mine. After some consideration, I decided it would be a waste to throw it away. And he deserves a little appreciation for not blindly crossposting it.

NacRuno said:
"Since it is almost clear that i will be the one thrown for lynching today, i just want to speak my last words.

First about the single NK of last night, although i told to have used my ability on Liq, i doubt that this is the reason behind it because of the following quote. Also there are a ton of other explanations for the 1 NK.

muzzz said:
But whatever rival faction tried to off the cautious townie will (or at least should) realize at daybreak what happened.
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This statement of muzzz makes me believe Sint being the reason of 1 NK more and more. Another possibility of 1 NK would be me being protected by the doc; if this is the case then i send the doc my regards for giving me one more day of the game. Also although nobody ever mentioned, there is a possibility that both of the mafia groups targeted Sitro thus resulting in a single death. At least before, the probability of both mafia groups killed Sitro was as unlikely as one group killing him.

And for my current thought for some of the people so far:

Liq: As i have said before i think he is a danger for everyone regardless of his allegiance. He plays too hasty and his tendency to herd people is too disturbing imo. I am aware that my true role actually does not actually mean he is a bad guy since he didn't do much other than defending himself aganist my accusations for him. Goltar and Thy are the reason behind my current fall. Nevertheless i believe in your words and hope that he does not see the night after the coming one.

@this point i read Sint's long post

Sint: I believe he is a towny who has nothing else to give other than his words right now. His detailed post is just another reason to believe him.

Thy: The one after me at lynching list. I wholeheartedly believe that she is not an anti-town person. The way she makes useless posts is just a way for her to say that she loves as all :tongue:. However i doubt about her being regular towny due to her bullseye shot at my activity.

Merlin: My beliefs about his allegiance is same as Thy actually. He draws attention due to changing his mind often however only reason of this is his will to contribute often in my opinion. The exact behavior of his is present in all the threads he is in. Also he had made some good comments so far, even making me doubt my theory myself.

Naz: Again a towny with nothing to offer than his words imo. He will probably outlive many others in this game.

Jaedhann: I do not believe his claim of using the drink option. However time is needed to see his true role.

Since my time is decreasing i will cut it short, the other stuff is mostly same with what Sint has told other than Merlin being suspicious.

It was fun to play with you all after all, see you another mafia game... :thumbsup:"

I was just about to post this before i saw your post in the preciew. No earlier notification this time :sad2:. Is it possible to post this as my last words in the thread?

Also you are giving too many clues in your comments imo. Just wanted to say though nothing can be done if that is Don's wish =)

I will be watching but it was real fun, thanks to you also...
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Here's a free clue: don't try to read too much into my posts. There aren't as many clues in there as you might think.



 
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My day didn't go as planned. In a good way, though. But it left me unable to end the night at an appropriate time. For that I apologize.

I won't start the next day right now, because I know I can't keep up a 24/48 hour rythm pivoting around this time. I expect to continue in ~18 hours.
 
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I rose early again, and went straight for my espresso stove. My mug was half empty before I noticed that Dan was sitting at the kitchen table. For a second I wondered if he'd been there all along, but I decided it was better not to ask. Instead, I raised a questioning eyebrow. "I've had some complaints about Liquid's TV volume, but that's it so far." A rather disrepspectful remark tried to crawl up my throat, but again, I decided I'd better keep quiet.

We stopped by Liquid's house on our way into town, but he didn't answer my knocking. Being the patient man I am, I decided that mug-through-window would be an appropriate next step. There were no lights on in the living room, and my eyes needed some time to adjust. As soon as they did, I saw why Liquid hadn't been responding. He was tied to a chair in front of the TV. At least, most of him was in front of it. His head was more along the lines of inside it. After a few moments of wondering how and why, intuition prompted me to check the VCR. It contained a tape labeled "Schwarzenegger - Hasta la vista - loop". I felt intense pity.

[highlight]It is now wednesday[/highlight] (day three)

Liquid has been killed. He was a regular townie.

~48 hours to decide who dies.

Have fun, stay vigilant, win!
 
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Another 1 nk instead of 2. Either one side got sloppy, or someone is going to claim they've stayed cautious this night..
Killing LE is to be expected, even though he was attracting a lot of attention. At least we don't have to doubt his allignment any more.

I was wrong about nac. Which is nice. Which also is utter crap to the information it provided for goltar and thy, who are still in the red zone now. Based on that I'm gonig to:
vote: thyiad
From yesterday I ended up saying you're most likely town. Most of that was based on nac being town too though. Now it is actually quite possible for the two of you being in the same team. Nac was spotted on day 1 already so he would die soon anyway, why not make another one of the team look more townie by claiming to have seen him out on a second night too? This also strokes perfectly with your day one behaviour seeing lister would be on your team too.
 
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Another night, another missed kill. I don't believe some one is being sloppy, but I think the 'stay cautious' town role is being played very successfully now.

I began the game questioning Liq's moves, and after he was proven correct after the first lynch, did not doubt him again. This leads us to today's suspects.

My first suspicions are with Lukin. However, he did vote for Nac before the lynch during the early going when Nac and Thy were running neck and neck. So I feel that he is pro town.

@W_m : Where did the vote for magicboy come from yesterday? This seems to me like it is coming from out in left field. Is there anything we should know that can assist in the voting today?
 
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A few highlights. I'm not doing everyone, just a few that catch my eye.

Sint
Your votes are all over the place. Your long last post before night said one thing and your most recent post says something completely different. Getting night time instructions? I think so.


Merlin
Again changable voting. This makes me suspicious. Yes I've changed votes from a joke vote or to ensure someone gets lynched, but you actively change your vote from someone to someone else who is in no danger of getting killed. Odd. League with Sint I think.

Jae
Cop I think. Strange patterns but doesn't follow Sint or Merlin, so I think opposing faction.

Watermoon
I'm a bit bermused by her vote for Magicboy last round but re-reading his posts, I see her point.

Martiniaaa
Hard to get a read on but two strange votes.

That'll do for now. Don't want to incite a TLDR. :tongue: It would be interesting if anyone used their ability to stay awake and caught any of these lot out and about.
 
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So, was anyone out last night? If you were, what did you see?
 
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Two good things happened yesterday...we killed a mafia member and the goon didn't have to reveal him or herself. On top of that, for the second night in a row, only one night kill.

We can finish this today if someone spotted someone out last night. Of course, at this point, there is one mafia member, three townie roles and either one or two cops left. It is either a 50/50 chance or worse that we hit a townie role.

This may be the last night for drinking though as several people used the stay cautious (including myself) and too many people apparantly drank the first two nights (LE, Goltar, Thyiad, Jae, any more?)

Before we lynched Nac, my feeling was to go after Maatiarna or perhaps Magic Boy.

I have a good feeling about who the cop and doctor are and they seem to be playing a good game (at least not drawing any suspicion).

There is still some time though and I would like to see if someone went drinking last night before making any hard decisions or compiling a case against someone.

If someone did drink last night, say it early so we can get a case built soon.
 
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