OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Hmmmm... :scratch:

Well, it's seems Merlin has saved Thy for now, he's brought up some valid points. She may not be helpful, but no one trusts her anyway, and there may be larger suspects to worry about atm.

Unvote: Thyiad

I'll have to read Nac's posts more thoroughly before I can vote for him though.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Vote: NacRuno

For now I'm going to follow along with Liq and see how things play out. Although I also found it odd that he disliked the way I bandwagoned with his vote early in the game, I'm sure some caution is required on everyone's part.

Although I would suspect some others before I would suspect Liq. Then again I have to actually read through this thread when I'm not half asleep to gather such information in a more reasonable manner.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I do not think we should lynch nac. He has a role, period. We can leave him alive for the mafia to kill. If he's town it's just the better play for them to kill him (maybe not tonight, maybe not tomorrow, but every time they let him awake there's a chance he'll either cancel out their action or get one of their names.. so they have to target him sooner or later and probably sooner), if he's mafia the other faction will have to assume he's town.

Thy, you're using lame defences. ''My schedule is weird'', could be true, but it wouldn't stop you from comming back once during the rest of the day does it? So there's no reason at all for sticking the vote in that early. Especially if you first ''ask'' nac to explain himself and then not wait for the explanation. Also, the ''I'm town, it'll be proven when I'm lynched'' just makes me want to check for sure. I'll bet that if you ask around now everyone will say he's town. Great defence.

w_m, yeah I actually thought about the vendetta and thy waiting for someone else to vote before voting herself, but that's not townie play. You have to be trying to find mafia and if you're getting killed trough vendetta then at least we'll know you're on the right track.

Which gives me another reason for questioning LE. Why would you want to ''sacrifice'' yourself by voting everyone and maybe get killed by vendetta? If you get killed that way and you voted for everyone it won't help us further at all. A better way would be to grab the list and have everyone vote for the person under your name and unvote at the start of the day.

I think we can be fairly sure the mafia will use the greed option and the cops the falsify option. The other two are just less powerful. I also think we can be fairly sure there are still 2 cops left instead of 3 (meaning they already used their ability). Meaning we'll still be left with 6 anti-towners, 3 mafia, 2 cops and 1 extra mafia (who already is turned or will be turned at some point during the game).
 
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So basically you are saying: He is exposed as a townie powerrole or mafia member... Either way, it's better to let the opposition kill him? But that opposition can read just as well as you and I. They may decide to leave Nac be as well, keeping him around as an uncertainty factor... It would be presumptuous to suppose the rival gangs will behave in a predictable manner. (For instance, I did NOT see the SiTro NK coming.)

I too suspect that the cops already used their ability (the odds for two NK in a row to be undercover cops are far too low to me). Curious to see how the mafia would use the greed option though. Safest bet i'd say is to use it on a townie who has claimed to use an ability already. As such, both you and Liquid would be prime victims...
 
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Yes, they may decide to leave nac, but we can lynch him when one of the factions is down to one member, so that IF he's that member their faction will be terminated immediately. Seeing how I think both factions have 2 members left we can safely let nac live.

You think they try to turn a townie who has already used their ability, or one who hasn't? I think they will use it and use it soon on someone not too obvious who hasn't claimed so that they disable the town role and get a new member. We can only hope they hit a powerrole.
 
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I think they will use it against in such a manner it has the least chance to backfire. After all, it's a high risk/high reward ability, and the way to best use such an ability is to minimize the risk as much as possible. That is best achieved by targetting an alledged townie who has publicly revealed (s)he has used her ability. Currently, that means You, Liquid Evil, goltar, Jaedhann and Thyiad. They might target a lowkey character who hasn't used his/her ability yet, but the risk is higher that this is a powerrole/member from another group.
Besides, a 'trusted' townie would be an invaluable gain for the mafia's side. I'd say much more useful then disabling a one shot only ability, especially considering that such a person would be a higher risk for a powerrole/rival gang member.

I would like to point out one more oddity... Jaedhann claims townie role, and says he used his drinking ability and spotted Thyiad... Right after thyiad said that she had had spotted nacruno. Very easy claim, saying you saw thyiad active last night after she confessed to that much. Are you trying to claim a townie part?
The previous day you had little to add with your posts. Odd that the first post you make after liq has you on his suspect list, is a rather poorly made claim at a town role.

Unvote: NacRuno
Vote : Jaedhann
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sorry I haven't posted and wont be able to post much until tonight. I am working 14 hour days right now. The whole Nacruno/Thyiad thing is exactly what is wrong with Naz's plan. My estimation is that we are about to kill a town power role (as there is a 50/50 chance. That being said, he has been outed, has received plenty of votes and is doing very little to save himself.


Vote: Nacruno
 
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Sorry, I voted before reading Sint's post about Nacruno. This is exactly along my line of thinking however, it may also disrupt the drinking plan. This is now twice that someone has claimed to see Nacruno out and about. It would be a giant waste to have someone use their drinking ability again and get his name again. I was against Naz's plan from the beginning and to a certain extent, still am. But since most have decided on using their abilities early, then why not clear out the extra names so as not to double up?

To top it off, Sint has played very sketchy today and I don't think he has sufficiently cleared himself. He has practically claimed doctor, he said he was responsible for there only being one nightkill instead of two. Then said he was using his townie ability, stay cautious.

One question: Sint, you say that you used your townie ability and were targeted last night but was saved by stay cautious?

If so, then

Muzz: would that also be revealed (ala the doctor saving someone scenario?)
 
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lukin said:
Muzz: would that also be revealed (ala the doctor saving someone scenario?)
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No, it won't be posted at daybreak. Nothing happened, you know. But whatever rival faction tried to off the cautious townie will (or at least should) realize at daybreak what happened.



 
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Thanks Muzz

That clears up some suspicion that I had of Sint, but not all. He still claimed that he was targeted or at least that he was responsible for there being one NK instead of two.
 
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The more I read, the more I get worried that we're being led right to our dooms. SiTro's death got me thinking of this. At this point in the game, SiTro's introduction would bring in a complete unknown (except to a select few). Eliminating him eliminates an unknown. That leads me to think that at least one of our enemies is very much a controlling type. Yes, I'm hinting at you Liquid, and at Nazdakka. I'm more inclined towards Naz at the moment, since Liquid has the benefit of having found Lister. But that could be complete luck, it could have been an active choice by the rivals to sacrifice one in order to better protect another. Still, for now, I'm giving Liquid the benefit of the doubt. And it's far too convenient for Naz to come up with his great plan, and not have even noticed that he can't participate in it. It's quite possible that he did just misread the rules every time they were posted, but I'm not inclined to believe that at the moment.

My other point is I'm getting more concerned that lynching NacRuno will be a mistake. In his situation, if I were one of the enemy, I would be desperately trying to throw blame elsewhere. He certainly doesn't appear desperate. If I were one of the power roles, I'd be doing my best to stay low and ABSOLUTELY not reveal my role unless it appears to be the only way to survive. If he's one of the power roles, at least give him another night to work and hopefully survive.
 
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Vote: NacRuno

All this heat on him, and he's done nothing to satisfactorily disperse it. He has a power role...I just hope that he's anti-town.
 
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Sint said:
Why would you want to ''sacrifice'' yourself by voting everyone and maybe get killed by vendetta? If you get killed that way and you voted for everyone it won't help us further at all.
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I brought the voting down on Lister so I'm already a target. If I could have done the vote everyone thing, then I would remain as the *only* target. I'm a townie with no more abilities which makes me worth less than a town power role (or even a townie with an unused role). If their only option is killing me, then the good roles can live on further to use their abilities. That was my original thinking.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

A mid-day voting tally to wet those lynching appetites.

Code: 
Vote #	Voter 		Prev votee	votee
1	Liquid				NacRuno
2	Thyiad				NacRuno
3	Nolecub				NacRuno
4	NacRuno				Liquid
5	Sint				Thyiad
6	Jaedhann			Thyiad
7	Nolecub		NacRuno	
8	Maatiarna			Thyiad
9	Jason				Thyiad
10	Friedbananaz			Thyiad
11	Naz				NacRuno
12	Merlin				NacRuno
13	Friedbananaz	Thyiad	
14	Serdash				NacRuno
15	Merlin		NacRuno		Jaedhann
16	Lukin				NacRuno
17	Ray				NacRuno
18	Friedbananaz			NacRuno
19	Nolecub				NacRuno
			
NacRuno		8		
Thyiad		4		
Liquid		1		
Jaedhann	1		

Not voting:
Bob
Goltar
Magicboy
PureSummon
W_m
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Goltar: I didn't find out that I'd been randomly assigned 'Stay quiet' by Muzzz, and so figure out what had happened, until (checks PM box) 16:54 on the 26th. Significantly after I'd proposed my scheme.

Liquid: Me not trusting you does not contradict Occam's Razor. You have Lister as evidence in your favour, but reading your posts and knowing your play persona I feel like I'm getting evidence against. Plus, if I was Mafia, I'd have sent you to your grave ASAP. Therefore, I reserve judgement.
 
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The slow posting is an indication that the game goes as the mafia wants.

I say again: we should not lynch nac. Do with it what you must, but again: He is a confirmed role (townie or not), we can kill him when there's a group with only one mafia left. Yes it screws with drinking, but I suggested no one should've been drinking last night either and now at least two people were out and about too. It'll be crap if he gets targetted again, but otherwise you'd have to say up from only one would be drinking and that scheme is basically bad.
lukin said:
To top it off, Sint has played very sketchy today and I don't think he has sufficiently cleared himself.
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Cleared myself of what?
He still claimed that he was targeted or at least that he was responsible for there being one NK instead of two.
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I stayed cautious. There was only 1 nk instead of 2. Anything else?

Let me ask this: Do you really think I'm anti-town and if so why?



 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Naz: reasoning like ''if I was mafia, I would do this..'' is pretty stupid logic. Like you're going to tell the truth if you were mafia.
 
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