OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

(And if Sint is not the doctor, then the real one needs to come forward immediately, otherwise he’s gaining too much trust)

That's the second time you've said that and both times you were wrong.

Really simple:
1. I do not expect to live long, seeing how I always get killed within the first 2 days when I'm not mafia.
2. Make a 2 day plan.
3. Casually claim doc on day 1 so the mafia will target me at night.
4. Stay cautious.
5. Live to see another day.

I am a useless townie now.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

There's nothing I said that can be "wrong." I'm just making sure the real doc (if it's not you) knows that they should rat you out immediately. The doc is too random, can be seen at night, and therefore would make a good 1:1 mafia trade to someone trying to falseclaim that. Once again, I'm not "wrong" and currently believe your story (and had you on my gg list from yesterday), I just want people to look at the big picture.

You avoided my question pretty nicely though. You going to wait until later in the day to spill the beans on your save?

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

That's a great use of your ability, Sint. But it leaves one question unanswered... Why did the other team kill Sitro, when you claim a town powerrole?

Then, it means there are three unclaimed town powerroles and, if liq's hunch is right, 3 remaining rival faction members... Which makes it 50 / 50 that Nac is indeed Mafia. For me, the chance is too high to just jump on the bandwagon, especially on day 2. I want to hear what he has to say...

 

[muzzz]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Muzzz, can I just post everyday with a vote and unvote for everyone to ensure the vendetta option would only be applicable to me or is that too cheesy and game exploitive? (You know how I like to bend the rules :wink3

Don Diablo would smack you with his mug if he heard that you were accusing his entire town. Let's say any vote for someone who has 0 votes, at that moment, counts as a first.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well, I've already seen what he can do with the mug so I guess I'll refrain. Can't blame me for trying. :wink3:

How come today isn't seeing many posts? Specifically I'd like Sint to respond to my question as well as an appearance from lukin and NacRuno.

 

[Magicboy]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Ok so...

Basically, I am hearing Liq want to know who the doctor is. (Pretty obvious from his posts) However, would revealing the doc really help out the town? Wouldn't the mafia decide to go after the doc when he/she is revealed? Sure, the doc could protect him/herself but only for one night.

If Sint is indeed the doc, why did he claim? What would he benefit from being known as the doc?

And since I don't feel like doing any calculations right now, I'll just believe in the 50% chance of hitting mafia. In my opinion, 50% chance of being mafia is not good enough. Hitting mafia is, of course, wonderful, but what about the other 50%? If we lynch him and he is a power role like the doc or something, that wouldn't be very good. (Not saying that Sint isn't the doc but he could easily be lying)

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Here’s my latest theory. SiTro was killed last night. This is odd because he replaced Azador who had no posts of his own. Subsequently, SiTro also had no posts. Why would you target someone that made no posts during the day? Because he’s a good player. He has always appeared pretty run-of-the-mill in these mafia games to me but has recently advanced to a pretty “pwn†player in my eyes having adopted a slightly different playstyle and making the game-winning play in a recent ComForum game for the town. Several of the SP’ers here don’t frequent the ComForum so they wouldn’t be wise to his new tactics and better powers of deduction that makes him an obvious threat to some. Sooo…I cross-checked the list of all the players in that game that are now playing in this game and this is what I came up with. I am 95% certain that SiTro’s killer, a member of the rival mafia gang, is one of the six following people.

Ray Patean
Thyiad
BobTheWarrior
PureSummon
friedbananazzzz
Nolecub

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I am hearing Liq want to know who the doctor is. (Pretty obvious from his posts) However, would revealing the doc really help out the town? Wouldn't the mafia decide to go after the doc when he/she is revealed? Sure, the doc could protect him/herself but only for one night.

I believe that Sint is the doctor and claimed yesterday (and perhaps saved himself last night). We get the roles of anyone that's dead and since there's no dead doc yet, he's still alive. Since no one has come forward to counterclaim, Sint is who he says he is. If he wasn't who he said he was, he'd be killed immediately when the real doc came forward. Sint does have a tendency to die early, so his coming forward early, might be a way to gain some quick trust before he is slain. As far as an NK goes, the groups will each want the other to take him out while they target "bigger fish" so it might be a couple nights before he finally bites it.

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I don't know if you people aren't reading or refuse to read my post at the top of this page. I am not the doc. Go read.

LE, explain the doc pushing. I'm also getting itchy when someone gives a list where he should be on himself too, but isn't.

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I believe that Sint is the doctor and claimed yesterday (and perhaps saved himself last night). We get the roles of anyone that's dead and since there's no dead doc yet, he's still alive. Since no one has come forward to counterclaim, Sint is who he says he is. If he wasn't who he said he was, he'd be killed immediately when the real doc came forward. Sint does have a tendency to die early, so his coming forward early, might be a way to gain some quick trust before he is slain. As far as an NK goes, the groups will each want the other to take him out while they target "bigger fish" so it might be a couple nights before he finally bites it.

Sint has declared his role in the post at the top of the page. Personally, it seems like a great way to use a townie ability. Certainly something Sint might come up with.

 

[Puresummon]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Liquid- That is a very plausible theory as to why Sitro was killed so early. I originally thought that Muzzz allowed Sitro to be a replacement because Azador probably had some sort of power role or mafia role and it would not be fair to whatever side to just have him or her modkilled.

Muzzz- I never did apologize for violating your rule yesterday when I did not put a name with my unvote. Posting in class is no excuse. My apologies.

 

[NacRuno]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I finally had the opportunity to read the results. I was relieved that my name was not on the list of victims. First of all i want to say that in the following 24 hours i won't be able to visit the thread. But do not make the assumption that i am retreating from giving answers since when i am back, i will read all the posts and give answer for everything i feel need to.

Secondly, i won't deny my activity for the last night. However i do not understand what kind of an explanation you want from me. This is a Mafia game where every role is based on manuplating others. Declaring myself as having a power role will have no effect on the fact that the probality of me telling the truth is only 50%.

Due to my absence in the coming hours i will be clear with my decision. Regarding the facts i am giving you, it is up to you to follow them or not.

Vote: Liquid Evil

I have already spoken about my theory about Liq being a bad cop. And the events following my post my belief in the truth of my theory has only increased.

1) This is verified with muzzz: When the bad cop is ability is used, the cops say that: "make Lister's death to be shown as rival mafia". And we see this outcome regardless of Lister's allegiance. Therefore Lister being a real mafia doesn't disprove my theory but it only makes the cops very lucky.

2) There is no understanding of Liq's requests for revealing the doc. He continuesly askes if Sint is the doctor, and if he is not the real doctor should reveal himself. What kind of a towny would want the doc to reveal himself to the public.

3) My theory may be wrong, however one thing i am sure of is you are danger to the 2 groups you are not in (Don, cops or the mafia). I really hoped your hasteful actions draw the attention of the mafias last night and one of them kills you. Yet even in your last posts last day, you were almost sure that you were going to be the one leading my lynching. How come you can be so sure of both me being a mafia and me not killing you to stop your insistive actions.

4) Your self sacrificing posts in the beginning of the day (about how you wish that you receive the vendetta kill instead of others) do not make any sense in my opinion. Are you desperately trying to recover the trust people had in you the first day? I do not want to die so early in the game, why do you?

Reconsidering all my observations i believe that Liq is trying to play his shephard role again. Even if there is a chance that my theory is wrong, i am 100% sure that he is a danger to the society.

PS: I want to make a correction in muzzz's table at the end of the previous day. Although my first vote was for Lister, i have changed my vote to Liquid towards the end of the day.

I am sorry but although lister's lack of activity in the thread is encouriging to vote him, the excessive activity and posts of lister are more distrubing imo.vote Liq

 

[NacRuno]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Also about the 4th point i have made. I had to ask a bunch of questions to muzzz regarding the game. But i haven't asked any of them in public. The fact that your question was public makes it even more suspicious about it being only a diversion.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I don't know if you people aren't reading or refuse to read my post at the top of this page. I am not the doc. Go read.

I read. You did NOT explicitly say that. You said you claimed doc. That doesn’t mean you weren’t. You also said that “now†you were a useless townie. That implies to me at least, that you had a previous role, or were at the very least a role that had come forward so their power of secrecy was gone. I now see your reference to staying cautious, but I didn’t immediately associate that with you remaining awake as a townie. You just dropped bigtime down my trust ladder. Unless you’re wildly selfish, there’s no reason for pro-town roles to lie straight away. You die the first day often? Two words. Boo. Hoo.

LE, explain the doc pushing..

You started the false doc nonsense and I saw no need to lie about it you were who you claimed to be. Admission to lying on the first day? I also don’t see how it would have helped your cause. I believed you were the doc (no reason to come forward if you weren’t in my mind) and I suggested that if you weren’t, the real one could come forward to get you lynched. It’s a weak power role and if their death gets a Mafioso, so be it. You’ve got to think with end game kept in mind.

I'm also getting itchy when someone gives a list where he should be on himself too, but isn't

I’m not going to build cases against myself. The critical thinking townies should feel that I’m on the level. If I was part of the rival mafia, then I would have sold out my buddy the first day. If I am the LAST crooked cop, then I would have had to be extremely lucky (remember, I wouldn’t have needed to falsify things because Lister *admitted* it).

Some of you have questioned my presence in the game and attempts to control the flow and you’re absolutely right. I’m the only one whose role is 100% certain and I dislike counting on others when I can think for myself.

Are you desperately trying to recover the trust people had in you the first day? I do not want to die so early in the game, why do you?

My trust shouldn’t have even wavered to be honest. But since I’m a normal townie and there’s still power roles that could aid the town, I felt as though I could keep them alive if I was the only vendetta target. I’m just a townie with no more abilities aside from a critical eye, so I’m pretty expendable.

You’ve made no roleclaims at anything pro-town to save yourself so I’m comfortable leaving my vote with you.

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Muzz, if the doc makes a save, will we know it? If the cops choose to falsify evidence at night, will it affect the person they kill or can it affect the person the other mafia kills too?

magicboy - suspicious - not reading + ''would it be good for the doc to reveil?'' No, ofcourse not.

Vote thy
For not reading yesterday and pushing this day double. You post:

Nacruno was out again last night. I say unless he has a good reason ... we kill him.

.. but BEFORE he replies you vote for him.

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Liq: read again.

4. Stay cautious.

Townie ability. Hello?

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

The spelling of the actual ability was different and I actually commented on that in the above post. Sometimes you just need to be clearer.

I'd say Thy was a better target than most. She's been weird, unhelpful, and fits nicely with my theory, but I'll wait to change until NacRuno posts something that doesn't make me cringe.

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I now see your reference to staying cautious, but I didn’t immediately associate that with you remaining awake as a townie. You just dropped bigtime down my trust ladder. Unless you’re wildly selfish, there’s no reason for pro-town roles to lie straight away. You die the first day often? Two words. Boo. Hoo.

Wait, let me put this in more words.
I'm dropping down on your trust ladder because you didn't read well? GG.
Wildly selfish? Didn't I just give the town one less NK? GG.
I try to stay alive where I normally die soon? GG.

You started the false doc nonsense and I saw no need to lie about it you were who you claimed to be. Admission to lying on the first day? I also don’t see how it would have helped your cause. I believed you were the doc (no reason to come forward if you weren’t in my mind) and I suggested that if you weren’t, the real one could come forward to get you lynched. It’s a weak power role and if their death gets a Mafioso, so be it. You’ve got to think with end game kept in mind.

That is bs dude. You're only thinking in one way: If he's doc then he's gone, too bad, if he's not he must be mafia, so let's trade our doc for a mafia. That's crap. You don't think that if I was mafia and claimed doc that the OTHER FACTION would kill me? There's no need for the doc to claim at all. Think about the end game... how about giving the doc a free night last night and stay alive with more people... sure, I wasn't thinking at all.

Some of you have questioned my presence in the game and attempts to control the flow and you’re absolutely right. I’m the only one whose role is 100% certain and I dislike counting on others when I can think for myself.

100% certain to yourself. You could've been lucky. You could've been in lister's faction. You could've been who you say you are. One in 3 for me.

My trust shouldn’t have even wavered to be honest. But since I’m a normal townie and there’s still power roles that could aid the town, I felt as though I could keep them alive if I was the only vendetta target. I’m just a townie with no more abilities aside from a critical eye, so I’m pretty expendable.

Oh, so it's ok for you to use your role and take a dive for other powerroles, but if I do it it's not?

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Oh and ''the spelling was different'' LMFAO. I'm off to bed.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

G'night .