This. I really think coju and Laarz are scum. I would like to try to get 2 lynches today, and as Jcakes and coju are so closely connected a vote2 on coju is apparently impossible. So I will go with below.
Vote 1: coju
Vote 2: Laarz
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This. I really think coju and Laarz are scum. I would like to try to get 2 lynches today, and as Jcakes and coju are so closely connected a vote2 on coju is apparently impossible. So I will go with below.
Vote 1: coju
Vote 2: Laarz
Pyrotechnician1
New member
Interesting very interesting. Yes you lurk I know, still don't like it. Either way I'm also extremely interested in your choices, none of them seem to have rhyme or reason except Uraj.
On the instrumentatl thing I guess I just feel I've been fairly involved in each lynch (particularly the Vote 2 mechanic and Caluin Graye). In answer to your other question I thought coju was scum, I thought he would be lynched using vote 1, I didn't want any incentive for you to all change your votes.
My opinion on him has changed, the sticking point was his role name and whether he actually had the role. To my mind he proved he had the role and baring recruitment nonsense (but lets be honest who in their right mind would recruit coju =)), he is town (having saved ML earlier).
I'll make it as straight forward as possible, I PM a name to the mod and that person gets blocked for the night phase. I honestly thought about not blocking a couple of times, just in case I hit a townie power role, but decided to just go for the scummy looking / lurking players instead.
He has been very vague.
[strike]I thought you said earlier that you could only save Martin Frasier?[/strike] I had that impression, but apparently I was wrong.
For the record I don't mind your lurking, you actually add something to the town discussion unlike another lurker.
This.
When?
I thought that if he could still save someone and not himself I may protect him.
I'm dont remember all the reasons either,didn't write them down but I must have seen something that I liked at the time.
I would expect you to save him N3 / N4 (maybe N2 depending on how you felt about his claim and subsequent saviour from Lynch). For the recrod D2 he was locked and saved (by coju), D3 he provided a result on Goryani (which proved true), D4 he provided a result on Frozzzen which proved true. Night 4 he died.
So I would expect you to attempt to save him on one of N3 and N4. On those nights you claim you saved Autti and thefranklin (neither of whom at that time were prime candidates over a proven cop).
Vote 1: Laarz
Vote 2: Laarz
So I would expect you to attempt to save him on one of N3 and N4. On those nights you claim you saved Autti and thefranklin (neither of whom at that time were prime candidates over a proven cop).
Vote 1: Laarz
Vote 2: Laarz
coju
Well-known member
Bolded=me. Quoted whole post.
This has bugged me for a lot of the game, someone mentioned it about CG, and this guy had his doubts about CG; "Why is Gwaihir still alive?"
Vote 1: Gwaihir
coju
Well-known member
post 1458.
I want you to go to that post, as there are quotes there that I cannot multiquote, and want you to read it all, especially the part I quoted, which is the 2nd to last paragraph.
I won't comment at this time about flubbucket unvoting me. I will ask, "Any reason why the vote, then unvote? Besides not wanting to be painted as scum?"
I did find it strange that even knowing that I could potentially save myself, that Gwaihir would still try and lynch me. (Mislynch.)
In the quote, he was quoting TheFranklin and PCM. Gwahih's "Bets on you being the roleblocker from the second.....," to me is calling either PCM or Franklin scum, both which were Pro-town Powerroles. (lie detector and Eavesdropper respectively.)
I'm not comfortable with a laarz vote atm.
I want you to go to that post, as there are quotes there that I cannot multiquote, and want you to read it all, especially the part I quoted, which is the 2nd to last paragraph.
I won't comment at this time about flubbucket unvoting me. I will ask, "Any reason why the vote, then unvote? Besides not wanting to be painted as scum?"
I did find it strange that even knowing that I could potentially save myself, that Gwaihir would still try and lynch me. (Mislynch.)
In the quote, he was quoting TheFranklin and PCM. Gwahih's "Bets on you being the roleblocker from the second.....," to me is calling either PCM or Franklin scum, both which were Pro-town Powerroles. (lie detector and Eavesdropper respectively.)
I'm not comfortable with a laarz vote atm.
flubbucket1
New member
Says the "doc" who saves himself because he FORGOT we had one last investigative role still alive. Hypocrite!!!
The bolded part is unnecessarily cute and yet seems quite crafted. What's the point of including these couple of lines on utter nonsense?? I guess this is what passes for scum hunting nowadays.....
Such lame drivel
coju asked a question, flubb.
Eh, barely hypocritical, if at all. I forgot we had a cop, simple as that. You don't just forget that ML was a cop, though, and he had several nights to attempt to save him, which I did do.
There were a lot of claims and his just somehow didn't stick in my mind (even though it was him who pointed out that CG is "angry"). If it helps you to understand just how easy it was for me to forget, all of my saves (except maybe one?) were within 10 minutes of the end of day.
I don't really agree with you on your response to Jcakes's post. He just explained why he thinks coju is innocent, and I think it makes sense. It was the main reason why I wasn't happy with coju's claim, too.
Eh, barely hypocritical, if at all. I forgot we had a cop, simple as that. You don't just forget that ML was a cop, though, and he had several nights to attempt to save him, which I did do.
There were a lot of claims and his just somehow didn't stick in my mind (even though it was him who pointed out that CG is "angry"). If it helps you to understand just how easy it was for me to forget, all of my saves (except maybe one?) were within 10 minutes of the end of day.
I don't really agree with you on your response to Jcakes's post. He just explained why he thinks coju is innocent, and I think it makes sense. It was the main reason why I wasn't happy with coju's claim, too.
I guess we might have different opinions on what constitutes scum hunting. I know your style is to throw mud at everyone and see if it sticks, I prefer to anaylse people and work out who I think is scum and who I think is town. I was trying to explain why I was no longer of the impression that coju is scum.
Essentially my reasoning as to why coju is not scum is as follows:
1) Someone saved ML from a lynch
2) ML at that stage had claimed cop
3) ML ended up being a very succesful kill that found 2 scum in 2 consecutive nights
4) coju claims he stopped the lynch on ML
5) I am locked and someone intervenes causing me to be saved.
6) Coju claims to be the person that saved me
Those 6 are essentially facts, the next bit is speculation.
1) I believe that coju is the person that saved me and ML
2) Given that ML was such a powerful anti-town role I don't think coju would have been scum at that time
3) I don't think coju would have been recruited as he is not the type of person that survives to the end (remember the game where he was a proven pro-town cop and people still wanted to lynch him?)
My conclusion is that coju is a pro-town lawyer.
Feel free to poke holes in my logic if you want, point 3) of speculation is probably the flimsiest. Regardeless of his play over not revealing his name, he honestly feels pro-town.
Fixed that for me. The kill bit came from point 4) when I was going to say coju claimed he stopped the kill, but rephrased it to lynch. As I post from work in a tiny window sometimes things get moved around.
flubbucket1
New member
Yet again, cojecture regarding me and mud are incorrect.Your reasoning shows the same problem pharphis has. Allow me to quote Star Trek: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one." You two are soooo focused on keeping yourselves alive in the game, you deprive the town of information on a consistent basis.
flubbucket1
New member
Okay for some reason that posted all by itself before I was finished....weird
To expound: the town gets information via lynches and vote record as much as anything else. To stop lynches IS anti-town, unless this is a known cop, doc, etc.... To simply stop a VT lynch is needlessly dragging the game out (When your role is simply I stop lynches). Also YOUR (Jcakes) voting record, which I've looked at along with everyone else's, is quite anemic. This is also not town.
It's not about you regardless of how important you think you are. Its about the town and getting the information out. Why else do you think coju's childish 'I don't have to reveal my name' has drawn so much attention. He says it's scummy to ask for the name. No it's scummy to withhold information (with some exceptions of course).
To expound: the town gets information via lynches and vote record as much as anything else. To stop lynches IS anti-town, unless this is a known cop, doc, etc.... To simply stop a VT lynch is needlessly dragging the game out (When your role is simply I stop lynches). Also YOUR (Jcakes) voting record, which I've looked at along with everyone else's, is quite anemic. This is also not town.
It's not about you regardless of how important you think you are. Its about the town and getting the information out. Why else do you think coju's childish 'I don't have to reveal my name' has drawn so much attention. He says it's scummy to ask for the name. No it's scummy to withhold information (with some exceptions of course).
coju
Well-known member
I agree in principle again, that is why I was willing to vote for him yesterday. However, I personally think he is who he says he is. Read through my post #1592 if you want to know my exact thoughts regarding coju.
Edit: In case you didn't realise I added stuff to your quote with my thoughts. You claim my voting is anemic, I want to know what you mean by that. Anemic to me means lacking in colour and I am not sure how it is relevant. Can you please explain exactly what you mean and show me?
As for thinking that I am important, yes I do. I am the only person that I know for sure is town. It is exactly the same for everyone, that is why we don't see people volunteering to be lynched. I am also the only person other than laarz that can mess with mafia kills. At the end of the day though, me being alive wasn't my choice it was coju. He believed I was worth saving and you need to ask him why.
As for thinking that I am important, yes I do. I am the only person that I know for sure is town. It is exactly the same for everyone, that is why we don't see people volunteering to be lynched. I am also the only person other than laarz that can mess with mafia kills. At the end of the day though, me being alive wasn't my choice it was coju. He believed I was worth saving and you need to ask him why.
