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@Pyro,
Too lazy to go back and find the posts each Jcakes and I made regarding the scum lynches we got, but I would say that both of us had some pretty big influence on beginning those lynches (or deciding on v2, for example). I know the cop's results definitely had the biggest factor for 2 of them, though.
 
A lot of IFs are coming now, be warned.

If Jcakes is who he says, Mal couldn't recruit first night. If Mal couldn't recruit first night he'd surely doit 2nd night. If he recruited coju 2nd night the ML save makes sense. But that would exclude Jcakes being scum. So if coju was recruited why would he save Jcakes now?

So Jcakes being town and coju scum does not work. They have to be on the same side. But which one?

If Jcakes is scum he most certainly lied about the blocking ability. His choosing of who he claimed to have blocked looks smart then also. I need to think more about this.

Coju is acting so very scummy that I have problems to believe whatever he says. I believe him to be the lawyer/governor though. I just don't know which side he is on. The other lawyer from the series I can think of was anti-town and he didn't reveal with any lawyering ability.

I need to know more about the recruiting ability. How is it used here? I'll google it as well, but customs are different.

I spiked coju.
 
Just two votes from one person and then unvoted?! Tally updated.
 
I didn't find much on the recruiter out there on the net. Mostly saying cult and OP. But Mal was a one shot recruiter which was the balancing method mentioned there. Anybody here who knows from previous games?
 
...You are the second person to claim that you were "instrumental" in the lynching of scum. I believe Phar said he was instrumental (something close to that) last day phase. Can I be the one to claim being "instrumental" tomorrow?...

My favorite phrase of the day. While these "key players" are busy blowing their own horns, would someone like to Vote for someone for some legitmate reason??

I tried voting and realized it was pointless due to the filibuster twins. I will vote in whatever way to help the town.


 
I didn't find much on the recruiter out there on the net. Mostly saying cult and OP. But Mal was a one shot recruiter which was the balancing method mentioned there. Anybody here who knows from previous games?

A recruiter generally allows for them to select one person to join their faction, so in this case to go from town to anti-town. Whether they person that is recruited loses their ability is unclear.

My favorite phrase of the day. While these "key players" are busy blowing their own horns, would someone like to Vote for someone for some legitmate reason??

I tried voting and realized it was pointless due to the filibuster twins. I will vote in whatever way to help the town.

Well, we have to make some sort of progress and apparently everyone is afraid to make the first move other than cupcake and coju claiming undying love for eachother. I'm going really only going with my gut feeling on this one but I suspect Gwaihir the most (disregarding the coju/cupcake debacle). He has been awfuly quite, his vote didn't end up on CG, and his claim although possible seems very out of the ordinary for a standard role even with all the power roles in this game. We need to at least stir up some more discussion.

Vote 1: Gwaihir


 
In answer to your first question, there were a couple of other Roleblockers namely Noodle and Frozzzen, it is entirely possible that one of them blocked me. I am not sure why they would block me, but it is an option. Finally Pman could have been lying about having received information last night in an attempt to get someone to save him, possibly based on my claim that it should only affect non-town people.

When he said his ability worked, I honestly thought he was bluffing. It wasn't until post 1027 that I realised he was likely town and something had gone wrong. You will notice in my posts 1075 and 1076, I attempted to help him find out information (suggesting he vote the person he suspects which turned out to be Mal).
In fact for those of you who still want to lynch me, I was instrumental in 3 lynches of scum.
First Frozzzen where I was the one to plant the idea of using Vote 2 on him (and got thoroughly attacked because of it), second Malevolent where I was the one to convince Pman to vote who he thought was scum and third Caluin Graye where I essentially built the case against him. You want to continue building a case against me, go for it. I was actually kind of glad when I thought I was locked. I assumed this would mean you all would finally stop focussing on my role / ability and start scum hunting.

In answer to your second question.

Night 1: I targeted Malevolent
Night 2: I targeted Goryani
Night 3: I targeted Pman
Night 4: I targeted Noodle
Night 5: I targeted Uraj
Night 6: I targeted Moar
Night 7: I targeted Pharphis

I know most of this all stems back to the lie about it only working on anti-town, so I guess I need to explain my reasoning.the main reason is I was still pretty bummed about the last game. I was given a role that locked like an Anti-town one in the SP game and because of it the town lost. fastforward to this game where I had a role that looked anti-town again, I was feeling that it would be deja-vu all of again so I modified the role to look more townie. I know it was probably the wrong thing to do, but I thought it would be safer than last time where the focus was continually on my role. Unfortunately it seems to have backfired and appears worse than last time.

Anyway if you still want to lynch me, then I understand, I am pretty sick of this role and the accusations that are being thrown around. You understand my reasoning (I hope) and hopefully it is not too late for the rest of you to do some actual scum hunting after I die.

I can't see PCM not telling the truth. That would not be pro-town play, as it would have been lost evidence against an anti-town player. Blocking, is a possibility. The only thing that bugs me about that it seems like you would be a pretty low priority player the night before as you had not claimed I would see anti-town going for ML, and pro-town going for someone more suspicious (I don't remember you being very suspicious to me at that point).

Also, what exactly does your role do?

I was wondering about Nulio, too. . .

Nulio, what do you think? I know you can't vote but you've regardless not put forth a lot of effort.

*cough* excellent recruitment candidate by mafia *cough*

It had never occurred to me that nulio could be mafia. It seems pretty unlikely. As for recruitment, why would mafia want a non-voting treestump instead of a power role? So I think it unlikely he is a recruit, but of people that Mal could have recruited, nulio would be the best option for us.

Moars post below game me a lot to think about, so I broke it up below:

If Jcakes is who he says, Mal couldn't recruit first night. If Mal couldn't recruit first night he'd surely doit 2nd night. If he recruited coju 2nd night the ML save makes sense. But that would exclude Jcakes being scum. So if coju was recruited why would he save Jcakes now?

Mals recruitment options: I need to go back and look at this. Mal did get an innocent result from the cop day 2. Likely Nights for use would be 1 (he took some heat day 1) or 4 (he was revealed to be mafia by PCM). Always possible it went unused.

So Jcakes being town and coju scum does not work. They have to be on the same side. But which one?

Is there a reason the opposite would not work? Jcakes being scum while coju is town?

If Jcakes is scum he most certainly lied about the blocking ability. His choosing of who he claimed to have blocked looks smart then also. I need to think more about this.

Coju is acting so very scummy that I have problems to believe whatever he says. I believe him to be the lawyer/governor though. I just don't know which side he is on. The other lawyer from the series I can think of was anti-town and he didn't reveal with any lawyering ability.

Agreed, he has proven his role for sure. Putting a lawyer in the hands of a mafia - that is scary. Unless he can't use it on himself, then it becomes much less effective.

I need to know more about the recruiting ability. How is it used here? I'll google it as well, but customs are different.

I have seen one other 1-shot recruitment in the BBB game, and I was the one who was recruited. It was a one shot that was not used when blocked, as BA did block it once. I kept my powers. But that could be changed in any number of ways for this game.

Anyways. I still don't believe coju is town. Him being scum explains several things - Jcakes would be the other scum. Also could explain at least somewhat why we have a vote 2 - can you stop a lynch on either a V1 and V2 coju? If one person was voted with both 1 and 2 and you suceeded, would they be lynched?


 
Also Laarz, we still have heard exactly what your role does. Could you provide some answers?

1)Who did you target which nights?
2)Can you save anyone or only Fraisier?
3)What is the chance you can save them?
4) What exactly does your role do? Does it protect, does it block?
 
A lot of IFs are coming now, be warned.

If Jcakes is who he says, Mal couldn't recruit first night. If Mal couldn't recruit first night he'd surely doit 2nd night. If he recruited coju 2nd night the ML save makes sense. But that would exclude Jcakes being scum. So if coju was recruited why would he save Jcakes now?

So Jcakes being town and coju scum does not work. They have to be on the same side. But which one?

If Jcakes is scum he most certainly lied about the blocking ability. His choosing of who he claimed to have blocked looks smart then also. I need to think more about this.

Coju is acting so very scummy that I have problems to believe whatever he says. I believe him to be the lawyer/governor though. I just don't know which side he is on. The other lawyer from the series I can think of was anti-town and he didn't reveal with any lawyering ability.

I need to know more about the recruiting ability. How is it used here? I'll google it as well, but customs are different.

I spiked coju.

They have to be on the same side.

There are 4 possibilities, and how I see them:

1. Jcakes town, coju town - possible
2. Jcakes town, coju scum - Makes very little sense for mafia to remove a roleblocker.
3. Jcakes scum, coju town - possible
4. Jcakes scum, coju scum - possible

Basically agrees with what you said, but according to your quote, you seem to think 3 is very unlikely. I was just curious why that is.


 
There are 4 possibilities, and how I see them:

1. Jcakes town, coju town - possible
2. Jcakes town, coju scum - Makes very little sense for mafia to remove a roleblocker.
3. Jcakes scum, coju town - possible
4. Jcakes scum, coju scum - possible

Basically agrees with what you said, but according to your quote, you seem to think 3 is very unlikely. I was just curious why that is.

Did you word number 2 wrong. If not please explain your thinking.

I wrote "If Jcakes is scum he most certainly lied about the blocking ability. His choosing of who he claimed to have blocked looks smart then also. I need to think more about this." I don't think it's unlikely, just that I have to think more about it.



 
I'm having a hard time focusing on this game.

I forgot that Laarz might be able to still guard people from NKs when I concluded (to myself) that there may only be 1 NK from now on. I'm fairly certain that this is the case, whether he can save people or not. I would expect him to have stated whether he thinks he saved someone or not.

I agree with Pyro on the 'gut feeling' that Gwaihir is scum, but that's really because I'm having a hard time seeing anyone else as scum.
 
I'm having a hard time focusing on this game.

I forgot that Laarz might be able to still guard people from NKs when I concluded (to myself) that there may only be 1 NK from now on. I'm fairly certain that this is the case, whether he can save people or not. I would expect him to have stated whether he thinks he saved someone or not.

I agree with Pyro on the 'gut feeling' that Gwaihir is scum, but that's really because I'm having a hard time seeing anyone else as scum.

If Laarz saved someone I'm pretty confident he would be dead, being a bodygaurd and all. Unless hes some weird version of a bodygaurd.

I also see Laarz as potential scum since his claim is vague at best and has been also laying low.


 
Did you word number 2 wrong. If not please explain your thinking.

I wrote "If Jcakes is scum he most certainly lied about the blocking ability. His choosing of who he claimed to have blocked looks smart then also. I need to think more about this." I don't think it's unlikely, just that I have to think more about it.

Writing fail, I agree with the first paragrph you wrote. It should have read:
2. Jcakes town, coju scum - Makes very little sense for mafia NOT to remove a roleblocker.

As for number 3, I see. It sounded to me as if you had ruled it out and I was curious why, but apparently it was a misunderstanding.


 
Also Laarz, we still have heard exactly what your role does. Could you provide some answers?

1)Who did you target which nights?
2)Can you save anyone or only Fraisier?
3)What is the chance you can save them?
4) What exactly does your role do? Does it protect, does it block?

N-1 Noodle
N-2 CG
N-3 Autti
N-4 franklin
N-5 Moar
N-6 Uraj
N-7 Pharphis

I can die in place of anyone that I choose to guard, the chance of dying is a coin-toss


If Laarz saved someone I'm pretty confident he would be dead, being a bodygaurd and all. Unless hes some weird version of a bodygaurd.

I also see Laarz as potential scum since his claim is vague at best and has been also laying low.

If successful I would be dead, and again the lurking tag, my play is my play, game after game, lynch me for it.



 
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