Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[flubbucket1]

YOU KNOW not divulging your character name is a needless distraction. How can you arrogantly point at others and claim town when you are pulling such a shenanigan?? We can go at this over and over or you can end this.

To blame others for your behaviour is not town. To stop a lynch when it is the only way to get information....also not town.

 

[pharphis]

*sigh*

I think we need to try a different approach. I still find Jcakes and coju pretty questionable. I don't think it could be JUST coju, but it could be JUST Jcakes, or both of them.

Reason: If it was JUST coju, he would have claimed to have tried to save Jcakes (and not actually done so - resulting in another townie lynch).
Reason 2: It could be just Jcakes because coju wouldn't know better if he was town.

Anyway, i'm going to look at everyone else and see what's going on. Moar, who did you target last night? you're the gin person, right? That's what pyro chose iirc.

 

[Jcakes1]

Okay this seems clear to me unless someone can point out the error in my thinking.

Here are the votes from yesterday's mislynch. It seems apparent from coju's post #1512 he is responsible for Jcakes escape.




It also seems apparent Jcakes was the ONLY one to not Vote 2 coju (of course coju didn't). As Pyro so clearly points out in this post, we can't do it unless all are on board.



So what's the connection between coju and Jcakes??? How long are we going to put up with this elephant in the living room??

Vote 1: coju

Vote 2: Jcakes

Here is why I didn't vote 2 coju. Essentially I figured by not vote 2ing him I was a higher chance of surviving. Call me selfish, but as the one townie left that can stop a night kill I kind of want to be alive as long as possible.

At the time of my vote 1 on coju it was ~ 1/2 am my time and he had 3 vote 1's (I also had 3). I wasn't about to vote 2 him to give you incentive to change votes. You did anyway, but that is not my fault.

Why would I vote 2 him? At the time I went to bed it was 50/50 as to whether I got Vote 1'd or he got Vote 1'd.
If I vote 2 him you are much more likely to vote 1 me and given how hard it is to get a Vote 2 to stick now days (it just takes one person to stuff up a vote). I would much prefer to be on the end of a Vote 2 (well that is a lie I would prefer not to be lynched at all).

Also I wasn't back intime for days end (it is 8:30am my time on a Saturday ......)

Why would you vote coju? Annoyed that he stopped you from lynching the one person that can mess with your NKs? He has proven that he says who he says he is (by saving me and also martinlong). Why would a mafia save a claimed cop? Particularly one that ended up outing not one but two mafia (also managed to investigate 3 out of 3 mafia .....)

 

[pharphis]

The only thing that comes into play w/ respect to him saving ML is that he could have been recruited AFTER saving ML (remember, this was only day 2). Still, I do find that somewhat unlikely as it would make more sense to recruit the cop?

The only other thing that comes to mind is this was some crazy strategy in advance to bring him int he clear as a townie, but I don't know.

 

[flubbucket1]

Really?? Your accusing me of being mafia now??

How lame.

 

[coju]

Really?? Your accusing me of being mafia now??

How lame.

That's what this game is all about, isn't it?
Question, but was already answered-ish: Jcakes, why didn't you vote 2 me?

 

[coju]

YOU KNOW not divulging your character name is a needless distraction. How can you arrogantly point at others and claim town when you are pulling such a shenanigan?? We can go at this over and over or you can end this.

To blame others for your behaviour is not town. To stop a lynch when it is the only way to get information....also not town.

YOU KNOW that I'm not going to divulge that information. Partly because I just wanted to see if you all can leave something be. I'm not going to give into the mob-mentality and give you all your hearts desires by giving my name.
It's the exact same reason I wanted to keep OMG alive: To see if (plural)you would drop it. But (plural)you wouldn't, and I forgot to send in a pm. (***(plural)you doesn't mean anyone in particular. It only applies to those who it applies to.)
It's the same thing with the name. I'm not giving the information. I see NO WAY how it can help town. None. Absolutely none.

I've asked a few times if someone figured out whether or not the game is "Frazier" vs "Cheers" or anything like that. No one has said, "Yeah, I figured it out. Cheers are all scum."

(plural)You forget that just because I haven't gave my name that all the other people gave real claims. Heck, someone could have chosen my exact character name.

AND! AND! AND!
[size=big]My name has already been figured out. I was called it at the end of the day.[/size] gha. It's already out. That's all anyone has one me. That's all I've ever been accused of. I'm town.
T-o-w-n. A couple of people have figured it out.

Guess it's time to point some fingers and dig up some dirt.

 

[Jcakes1]

Really?? Your accusing me of being mafia now??

How lame.

Sure why not? You seem to like throwing out the accusations as often as you can

Right now the only people I trust are Coju and Pharphis. I feel pharphis' claim is genuine and I know that coju is town.

 

[Jcakes1]

That's what this game is all about, isn't it?
Question, but was already answered-ish: Jcakes, why didn't you vote 2 me?

It is a matter of percentages. I wanted you to be Vote 1'd, because I rightly assumed that if people tried to Vote 2 me it would likely fail (You need 100% of people to vote). I figured by not Vote 2ing coju, people would be forced to vote 1 him.

At the time I was the only one that I know for sure is town and I have the ability to mess with mafia's Nks, thus I wanted to stay alive as long as possible.

In hindsight I probably should have pointed out why I didn't vote 2 anybody.

 

[Gwaihir]

Well, at least there was only one kill.

You did explain this comment. But did you actually think you picked correctly for the past 5 nights? That surprises me.

YOU KNOW not divulging your character name is a needless distraction. How can you arrogantly point at others and claim town when you are pulling such a shenanigan?? We can go at this over and over or you can end this.

To blame others for your behaviour is not town. To stop a lynch when it is the only way to get information....also not town.

YOU KNOW that I'm not going to divulge that information. Partly because I just wanted to see if you all can leave something be. I'm not going to give into the mob-mentality and give you all your hearts desires by giving my name.
It's the exact same reason I wanted to keep OMG alive: To see if (plural)you would drop it. But (plural)you wouldn't, and I forgot to send in a pm. (***(plural)you doesn't mean anyone in particular. It only applies to those who it applies to.)
It's the same thing with the name. I'm not giving the information. I see NO WAY how it can help town. None. Absolutely none.

Maybe you will pass the bar next time, Tom.

It still really bugs me that you would not say anything, so I went back and found this.
Thomas W. Babson is an aspiring lawyer who has failed the bar exam more than once. He finally passes the bar after his 11th try in season 5.

I assume this is the name you refused to claim. Looking at another hint we got from Uraj - he found out that CG was ANGRY. How would you say you feel about multiple failed attempts at the bar exam?

Today we are in a similar position to yesterday, except we are down a townie, and have not really learned anything. coju, none of our recent comments have been town - you would not claim to be townie, you claim to want to drag the game on, preventing lynches, which are the only means for the town to get rid of mafia, and claim you would have saved omg, a nuetral who in the end would side with the mafia. Seems like your actions want to keep around the mafia. You have to be the lawyer, but could it be you are an anti-town lawyer?

 

[Gwaihir]

Sure why not? You seem to like throwing out the accusations as often as you can

Right now the only people I trust are Coju and Pharphis. I feel pharphis' claim is genuine and I know that coju is town.

Also, Jcakes, I don't remember you responding to a question of mine. You claimed to have blocked PCM on a night he got results. Any explanation? Also, I remember you were hesitant about giving out the peolpe you had tageted the first two nights. Would you remind me of the full list of targets you have claimed to have blocked?

 

[coju]

It still really bugs me that you would not say anything, so I went back and found this.
Thomas W. Babson is an aspiring lawyer who has failed the bar exam more than once. He finally passes the bar after his 11th try in season 5.

I assume this is the name you refused to claim. Looking at another hint we got from Uraj - he found out that CG was ANGRY. How would you say you feel about multiple failed attempts at the bar exam?

Today we are in a similar position to yesterday, except we are down a townie, and have not really learned anything. coju, none of our recent comments have been town - you would not claim to be townie, you claim to want to drag the game on, preventing lynches, which are the only means for the town to get rid of mafia, and claim you would have saved omg, a nuetral who in the end would side with the mafia. Seems like your actions want to keep around the mafia. You have to be the lawyer, but could it be you are an anti-town lawyer?

It doesn't bother me one bit. I'm a lawyer now. I've already stated the two people I would have saved: OMG and PCM. I've already stated my reasons why omg during the time he was getting vote 2'd. Yes, I did say that I wish I would have used my powers more, but look at all the town people we lynched. It would have saved a couple of them, I'm sure.

My actions may have seemed scummy, but I'm PRO-town. And this, "he found out that CG was ANGRY. How would you say you feel about multiple failed attempts at the bar exam?" isn't going to work. I'm a townie. Pure and simple. Lynching me will only equal a -1 town. Sad, but it's true. I've stated in other games that by keeping up bringing up my name was scummy, and it stopped. I don't expect that to happen this game, honestly, but I feel that way. I feel strongly enough that I will gladly take a L1 or L2 and will not try and protect myself. I will do this only on the condition that the town picks 2 people that we would lynch today instead of me if I weren't a distraction. Now, let's see what players jump on this possibility to lynch another town player. Just wait, watch, and see who continues to try and lynch 'coju' and those will be the remaining anti-town players.

 

[coju]

I'll re-word that if necessary.

 

[flubbucket1]

You are a distraction, you do nothing to help town and your actions are scummy. OMG was the Village Idiot....ironic

Unvote 1: coju

Unvote 2: Jcakes

 

[Jcakes1]

Also, Jcakes, I don't remember you responding to a question of mine. You claimed to have blocked PCM on a night he got results. Any explanation? Also, I remember you were hesitant about giving out the peolpe you had tageted the first two nights. Would you remind me of the full list of targets you have claimed to have blocked?

Sorry I must have missed that question.

In answer to your first question, there were a couple of other Roleblockers namely Noodle and Frozzzen, it is entirely possible that one of them blocked me. I am not sure why they would block me, but it is an option. Finally Pman could have been lying about having received information last night in an attempt to get someone to save him, possibly based on my claim that it should only affect non-town people.

When he said his ability worked, I honestly thought he was bluffing. It wasn't until post 1027 that I realised he was likely town and something had gone wrong. You will notice in my posts 1075 and 1076, I attempted to help him find out information (suggesting he vote the person he suspects which turned out to be Mal).
In fact for those of you who still want to lynch me, I was instrumental in 3 lynches of scum.
First Frozzzen where I was the one to plant the idea of using Vote 2 on him (and got thoroughly attacked because of it), second Malevolent where I was the one to convince Pman to vote who he thought was scum and third Caluin Graye where I essentially built the case against him. You want to continue building a case against me, go for it. I was actually kind of glad when I thought I was locked. I assumed this would mean you all would finally stop focussing on my role / ability and start scum hunting.

In answer to your second question.

Night 1: I targeted Malevolent
Night 2: I targeted Goryani
Night 3: I targeted Pman
Night 4: I targeted Noodle
Night 5: I targeted Uraj
Night 6: I targeted Moar
Night 7: I targeted Pharphis

I know most of this all stems back to the lie about it only working on anti-town, so I guess I need to explain my reasoning.the main reason is I was still pretty bummed about the last game. I was given a role that locked like an Anti-town one in the SP game and because of it the town lost. fastforward to this game where I had a role that looked anti-town again, I was feeling that it would be deja-vu all of again so I modified the role to look more townie. I know it was probably the wrong thing to do, but I thought it would be safer than last time where the focus was continually on my role. Unfortunately it seems to have backfired and appears worse than last time.

Anyway if you still want to lynch me, then I understand, I am pretty sick of this role and the accusations that are being thrown around. You understand my reasoning (I hope) and hopefully it is not too late for the rest of you to do some actual scum hunting after I die.

 

[Jcakes1]

On where I think people are sitting.

I think are Town:
coju - saved martinlong and proved he could do it by saving me
pharphis - gut feel, but really don't think he made the role up
Moar - Same, but she has been very vocal all game actively scum hunting and definitely feels town.
Likely town:

Glib - Same as Moar, but of the remaining Waitresses if I thought they had a mole he would be it over Moar.
Gwaihir (his role is unusual, but I think I believe him)

Unsure / possibly scum:
Nulio: Other than the fact he can't vote we don't know a lot about him, it is entirely possible he is part of the mafia team and is able to vote at a later stage

Laarz: Conveniently didn't really claim his role, after Uraj (aka Frasier) claimed he said that he was as implied a bodyguard for Frasier, but it was only a chance to work.

Pyrotechnician: Claims a role that involves "spiking of drinks", sounds sort of like a SK type role.

Anyway that is where I see it atm.

 

[pharphis]

I was wondering about Nulio, too. . .

Nulio, what do you think? I know you can't vote but you've regardless not put forth a lot of effort.

*cough* excellent recruitment candidate by mafia *cough*

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

*sigh*

I think we need to try a different approach. I still find Jcakes and coju pretty questionable. I don't think it could be JUST coju, but it could be JUST Jcakes, or both of them.

Reason: If it was JUST coju, he would have claimed to have tried to save Jcakes (and not actually done so - resulting in another townie lynch).
Reason 2: It could be just Jcakes because coju wouldn't know better if he was town.

Anyway, i'm going to look at everyone else and see what's going on. Moar, who did you target last night? you're the gin person, right? That's what pyro chose iirc.

The main thing against coju was that we weren't absolutely certain he had the power he claimed to have, and that we didn't know his name. Both of those issues are cleared up obviously and I'm more inclined to believe him. Could he have been recruited, possibly, but that would require both cakes and coju to be on the same team. It could be just jcakes but he has been pretty forthcoming with his actions, then again he could pretty much block anyone he wanted at this point and it would seem townie. IF, and I mean IF we consider Jcakes claim to be true then that would clear Moar and Phar as being the current mafia hitman (not necessarily meaning they are not mafia if there is more than one left). There is a lot of WIFOM in here and I don't like it.

That is what I chose, I'm interested to hear which person they chose.

Here is why I didn't vote 2 coju. Essentially I figured by not vote 2ing him I was a higher chance of surviving. Call me selfish, but as the one townie left that can stop a night kill I kind of want to be alive as long as possible.

At the time of my vote 1 on coju it was ~ 1/2 am my time and he had 3 vote 1's (I also had 3). I wasn't about to vote 2 him to give you incentive to change votes. You did anyway, but that is not my fault.



Why would you vote coju? Annoyed that he stopped you from lynching the one person that can mess with your NKs? He has proven that he says who he says he is (by saving me and also martinlong). Why would a mafia save a claimed cop? Particularly one that ended up outing not one but two mafia (also managed to investigate 3 out of 3 mafia .....)

So your main reasoning not to vote 2 coju was that you wanted to save yourself. Not that you believed coju was a townie?

Sorry I must have missed that question.

In answer to your first question, there were a couple of other Roleblockers namely Noodle and Frozzzen, it is entirely possible that one of them blocked me. I am not sure why they would block me, but it is an option. Finally Pman could have been lying about having received information last night in an attempt to get someone to save him, possibly based on my claim that it should only affect non-town people.

When he said his ability worked, I honestly thought he was bluffing. It wasn't until post 1027 that I realised he was likely town and something had gone wrong. You will notice in my posts 1075 and 1076, I attempted to help him find out information (suggesting he vote the person he suspects which turned out to be Mal).
In fact for those of you who still want to lynch me, I was instrumental in 3 lynches of scum.
First Frozzzen where I was the one to plant the idea of using Vote 2 on him (and got thoroughly attacked because of it), second Malevolent where I was the one to convince Pman to vote who he thought was scum and third Caluin Graye where I essentially built the case against him. You want to continue building a case against me, go for it. I was actually kind of glad when I thought I was locked. I assumed this would mean you all would finally stop focussing on my role / ability and start scum hunting.

In answer to your second question.

Night 1: I targeted Malevolent
Night 2: I targeted Goryani
Night 3: I targeted Pman
Night 4: I targeted Noodle
Night 5: I targeted Uraj
Night 6: I targeted Moar
Night 7: I targeted Pharphis

I know most of this all stems back to the lie about it only working on anti-town, so I guess I need to explain my reasoning.the main reason is I was still pretty bummed about the last game. I was given a role that locked like an Anti-town one in the SP game and because of it the town lost. fastforward to this game where I had a role that looked anti-town again, I was feeling that it would be deja-vu all of again so I modified the role to look more townie. I know it was probably the wrong thing to do, but I thought it would be safer than last time where the focus was continually on my role. Unfortunately it seems to have backfired and appears worse than last time.

Anyway if you still want to lynch me, then I understand, I am pretty sick of this role and the accusations that are being thrown around. You understand my reasoning (I hope) and hopefully it is not too late for the rest of you to do some actual scum hunting after I die.

You are the second person to claim that you were "instrumental" in the lynching of scum. I believe Phar said he was instrumental (something close to that) last day phase. Can I be the one to claim being "instrumental" tomorrow?

On where I think people are sitting.

I think are Town:
coju - saved martinlong and proved he could do it by saving me
pharphis - gut feel, but really don't think he made the role up
Moar - Same, but she has been very vocal all game actively scum hunting and definitely feels town.
Likely town:

Glib - Same as Moar, but of the remaining Waitresses if I thought they had a mole he would be it over Moar.
Gwaihir (his role is unusual, but I think I believe him)

Unsure / possibly scum:
Nulio: Other than the fact he can't vote we don't know a lot about him, it is entirely possible he is part of the mafia team and is able to vote at a later stage

Laarz: Conveniently didn't really claim his role, after Uraj (aka Frasier) claimed he said that he was as implied a bodyguard for Frasier, but it was only a chance to work.

Pyrotechnician: Claims a role that involves "spiking of drinks", sounds sort of like a SK type role.

Anyway that is where I see it atm.

I would have to be a SK reliant upon the waitors delivering the drinks to the right targets, thats even more far fetched then the complicated version of the SK last game where he had a 50% chance to kill and could only kill 3 or 4 kids or whatever it was. Besides the point that if it was you should have not seen a kill when you blocked Moar the previous night as the spiked drink should have not gone anywhere.

 

[nulio]

If I don't participate much it's mainly because I'm a little too overwhelmed about all the theories and posts and I would be just spamming and not adding much.

I guess that not being able to vote helps me a bit because I would vote just like the majority (for the good and the bad).

I'm pro-town since the start of the game and still am.

 

[Laarz]

Just how do you think you are going to be lynched cakes, if we v1 you, I would think that coju would just lawyer you again and if we v2 you and v1 coju he will just not vote you and lawyer himself, so why do you think you are going to be lynched?