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Not lovers.



Interesting. With the previous quote taken into account about lovers usually being on opposite teams, this sounds like you would be happy with the death of a townie.



That only works in a LYLO situation. I highly doubt we're to that point yet. Unvoting at the last second broadcasts to the entire town that you're scum, which means you have to have the game sealed in order to do it.

Hey Laarz; notice that the 'alive' count is accurate today? Nineteen alive, nineteen names on the roster. What do you make of that?

No, just that they were either-or. Either one is scum and the other town, or one is town and the other scum.

I don't see how anyone could know this (if frozzzen is scum then (whoever else goes here. Do not remember the name) is town) for a fact. There was no, "I know this for a fact because of this, this, and that." given by Solar Ice (That was who said that, correct?) about frozzzen and the other person.

ML's investigation on frozzzen being 'foe' shouldn't automatically make the other town.


 
Noodle, I don't know if that was intentional or not, but if you don't fix it you'll be getting one of my votes today or tomorrow.
Autti,
same as what I said to Mal after explaining to everybody that vote 2 is the BEST way to lynch frozzzen. Seems risky, but it;s not, because any risk involved requires that several mafia unvote or refuse to vote at all.
As a town we should ALL vote to force this to be the truth.

Also, since there are 2 masons I thought it would be wise to mention the fact that afaik one of the mason pair (or group) can actually be mafia. At least, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Just because we have masons does not mean we should consider all of them to be innocent. Each of you (and whatever remaining masons are left) should look over your night chats and see if anyone has been trying to shift the group's thoughts elsewhere.
If i'm totally wrong about this possibility then never mind :p
 
The plan was to wait for the other waiters/masons to claim. But considering i might be the topic of discussion for a while i figured it's best for me to claim now. Sorry to break the gameplan fellow waiters, oh and a shout out to Solar Ice for his wicked scum hunting tactics.

I am Diane Chambers. I'm a waiter along with the others, who will back me up :)



For the record, does nobody realise that Vote2 cannot lock? Seems very risky. Maths wise can mafia win if they loose 1 a night?


As for Jcakes. Not sold on you. But if you did have that ability you would be targeting ML if you were scum. So thats something.


I was building a case against PCM last night. #555 He voted for Goryani after the lock, and it looks crafted so as to not show up in voting records.
I don't see why all masons coming forward is a good thing. But, I'll take it for what it is. Yes, we all know there is no lock on Vote2, we mentioned it a few times, but overall it should still get the lynch as EVERYONE should be voting for the proven scum.


 
Noodle, I don't know if that was intentional or not, but if you don't fix it you'll be getting one of my votes today or tomorrow.
Autti,
same as what I said to Mal after explaining to everybody that vote 2 is the BEST way to lynch frozzzen. Seems risky, but it;s not, because any risk involved requires that several mafia unvote or refuse to vote at all.
As a town we should ALL vote to force this to be the truth.

Also, since there are 2 masons I thought it would be wise to mention the fact that afaik one of the mason pair (or group) can actually be mafia. At least, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Just because we have masons does not mean we should consider all of them to be innocent. Each of you (and whatever remaining masons are left) should look over your night chats and see if anyone has been trying to shift the group's thoughts elsewhere.
If i'm totally wrong about this possibility then never mind :p
Depends how the names match w/ the roles
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason

Shows that Neighbours are the 'Masons' that don't know each others alignments.


 
I don't see why all masons coming forward is a good thing. But, I'll take it for what it is. Yes, we all know there is no lock on Vote2, we mentioned it a few times, but overall it should still get the lynch as EVERYONE should be voting for the proven scum.
its what we decided last night, confirms 4 alive townies as Solar Ice died. Means if we die and loose our voting bloc town can still win.


 
Oh, I had a question for anyone who actually knows lore for these series. Would anyone expect Kelly Gaines to be mafia? It didn't really seem like it from the wiki info on her.
 
I didnt want to use vote 2 to get frozzzen because i was worried that ity might not work, and we would end up with a no-lynch day.

but because it seems like a popular thing to do i will gldly go with it, as long as people can change if need be. ( i wont be able to as i am at school around day-end)

Unvote 1: frozzzen
Unvote 2: Autti
Vote 2: frozzzen
 
Nice work on getting another scum martin, (this game is going a bit better than the last one, where we missed everytime with cop).

However, should we use Vote 2 on frozzen and try to get one of his buddies with vote 1?

I thought this was soooo scummy at first, but I see your point the more I read the thread.

I thought about this. A few of you here know Gory in mafia much better than I do.

So, would it be in Gory's MO to do a framing like this? I see that he is a good player, but to what degree? Some insight would be nice. The latter is obviously that Gory switched to protect CG.

Now another thought, is if Gory is a good/smart player, do you think that he would do the obvious and protect his scum brother? On the other hand, by switching, he would have saved CG from the kill (definite) and then hopes that CG can convince and prevent a lynch on himself (possible kill).

I recall someone recommending me to investigate someone like CG - to investigate players with consistent play styles since it can be hard to decipher alignment on vet-players and it made a lot of sense since I do not know these players that well.

Thinking outloud here, I don't have any preference to one theory yet.

Goryani was trying to frame Caluin Graye pure and simple. Smoke and mirrors nothing altruistic to see here, now move along.

Ok, after day end yesterday I was fairly confused, even if omg was bluffing why would goryani (being antitown) take the last vote on omg knowing that he could potentially stop the blast on CG. The only logical thing I could think of is that CG is scum. Why would he want to stop the blast on anyone except his teammates?

The other logical thing is you are mafia.

I am just thinking that if we Vote 1: Frozzen there is no way we will lynch anyone else today. However with a vote 2 on frozzzen that should succeed, we may be able to get to mafia today. I just wanted to raise the idea before we rushed to a lock like we did with Goryani.

A scum in the hand....

I see, nice. I remember thinking it odd you thought there were only 5 mafia, didn't think to look for breadcrumbs.



That is definitely my first thought, that CG was scum and Gory tried to save him. But that only really works if mafia is on the edge of winning, which seems impossible with the number of people remaining. On the other hand, it could be he wanted to throw suspicion on CG. Gory is known for being a very smart player, and that could just be his tactic to make us waste a lynch on a townie.

CG, did you think Gory was bluffing? Did you think omg was lying about his role, either survivor or kill part?




Just a thought, but should we try to lynch frozzzen by vote 2? The proven cop got a guilty verdict, I don't see us having a better target to use the vote 2 on today.

Vote 2: frozzzen

Here's another thought, you're mafia as well.

The difference today is we don't have another person to vote 2. Just here me out for a second. These are the two options as I see it.

1) We vote 1 frozzen. Who do we vote 2 in that case? It is very easy for mafia to cast doubt about any other suspect and we are unlikely to lynch anyone with our second vote (especially as mafia are unlikely to vote for their buddies).

2) We vote 2 frozzen, everyone has to vote frozzen otherwise they are downright scum. This now leaves vote 1 (which only requires a majority to lynch) free to actually kill scum.

The only risk with using vote 2 on frozzen is if we are at mylo (Mislynch and lose) as in this case the mafia can all unvote frozzen at the last second, avoid the lynch and win the game the next day. If we are not at mylo and they try that, then we know who the mafia are and can hopefully win the game by lynching them one after another.

The problem in my mind of using vote 1 is that we end up with a day where we are just going to discuss who to lynch next, but wont be able to act on it.

ALL HOPE IS LOST....DOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM I SAY

Or maybe we could vote Pyro, He's mighty scummy!!!

I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.

You seem mafia roleblocker-ish there Lilith.

Did it just get colder in here??

The plan was to wait for the other waiters/masons to claim. But considering i might be the topic of discussion for a while i figured it's best for me to claim now. Sorry to break the gameplan fellow waiters, oh and a shout out to Solar Ice for his wicked scum hunting tactics.

I am Diane Chambers. I'm a waiter along with the others, who will back me up :)



For the record, does nobody realise that Vote2 cannot lock? Seems very risky. Maths wise can mafia win if they loose 1 a night?


As for Jcakes. Not sold on you. But if you did have that ability you would be targeting ML if you were scum. So thats something.


I was building a case against PCM last night. #555 He voted for Goryani after the lock, and it looks crafted so as to not show up in voting records.

Hey broomstick can't wait your turn?!?!

Vote 2: frozzzen


 
also

-Noodle fix your vote
-I still think that Autti is scum, he hasnt contributed at all but has posted enough to avoid being called a lurker, I will refrain my vote for now but he will most likely receive it later in the day
 
There is a lot to consider and this game shows that mafiascum cannot be taken as truth. I have questions none the less.

Your psyc. role does not match the one on mafiascum. What you described is Roleblocker.
A psyc. from mafiascum, when targeting an SK, turns that SK to a vanilla townie.

Possibilities:
1 - You are claiming truth - town - and Thy changed the role/abilities
2 - You faked a claim - scum - and screwed up greatly
3 - You are the SK and faked the claim, to divert attention.

Now, I don't think 2 is viable, as mafia are smarter than that and try to keep their stories correct. W/ 3, it's possible, but if you were to fake the psyc. role, you would probably would have gone to mafiascum to look for it - in doing so, you would have seen what the role intales and adjust your story.

I am inclined to believe you, but I state my theories just to get it out there. If you are telling the truth, that would mean that the mafia pulled the other route to kill (doc will save me, so instead of wasting the kill on the cop, we need to find the doctor -- the same logic that would have been used on N1).

Derp. My mind in going a mile a minute (yeah, that fast!) I forgot about another option, which does play into your reminder

4 - Jcakes role is true, except he's scum. He claimed b/c there was only one death (the mafia missed their kill on me) - perfect role to claim, and then went to 'blocking' PCM - who, someone already suspected of being the SK.

Again, at the moment it's theorycrafting.

Depends how the names match w/ the roles
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason

Shows that Neighbours are the 'Masons' that don't know each others alignments.

Ok before I go any further. One thing you need to realise ML is that mafiascum is a guide only, here we use different roles, different names and sometimes things get changed for flavour. Mafiascum is good to learn the basics, but that is the way they play we play slightly differently. Case in point is the postman, which does not appear on mafiascum.

As to my specific role, it appears my role has been modified from the Roleblocker as it can only effect anti-town. As I said before, to me it feels more like a doc role in that I can save people by targetting the killer (not the victim). As for the psychiatrist bit, again I think it is flavour. My character was a psychiatrist in the series.


 
Oh- i havent fully read everything so far, sorry autti i must have brushed over your mason post, I still think your playstyle is very suspicious. But If what you say is true then i am very glad, a solid masons group can hold this town together IMO
 
Ok before I go any further. One thing you need to realise ML is that mafiascum is a guide only, here we use different roles, different names and sometimes things get changed for flavour. Mafiascum is good to learn the basics, but that is the way they play we play slightly differently. Case in point is the postman, which does not appear on mafiascum.

As to my specific role, it appears my role has been modified from the Roleblocker as it can only effect anti-town. As I said before, to me it feels more like a doc role in that I can save people by targetting the killer (not the victim). As for the psychiatrist bit, again I think it is flavour. My character was a psychiatrist in the series.
I get ya, just pointed out with the resources I have. I did mention that it is quite evident that Thy has not been playing with the mafiascum descriptions - by no means is that wrong though.


 
Also, is it common to have a group of masons?

A five person Mason team is rather large, from games I've been in / seen it is usually 2 or 3 (I could be wrong here though).


 
also

-Noodle fix your vote
-I still think that Autti is scum, he hasnt contributed at all but has posted enough to avoid being called a lurker, I will refrain my vote for now but he will most likely receive it later in the day

It's understandable, everybody wants to kill a shapeless, worthless, whiney know-it-all. BTW Diane I'm gonna need your bra to make some Jello shots....really tiny Jello shots


 
A five person Mason team is rather large, from games I've been in / seen it is usually 2 or 3 (I could be wrong here though).

That's what I though. On the merits of balance - seems like too much. Phar's suggestion about some of you being 'neighbours' should be looked into. It would definitely add some balance to a rather large mason group.


 
I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.

First let me say that the years have not been kind to you Bebe. Not the fox you used to be. Anyway, back to the game.

The most important thing for me to say here is that, luckily, the doc saved someone. I'm sure it is very disappointing to all the scum reading this, but my measly ability worked just fine last night. It isn't much, and it won't shape the game the way a roleblocker or cop or Mason will, but it worked, and if need be I can reveal some of it.
I have no doubt you are scumhunting Jcakes, and I won't OMGUS or anything like that because you are working to help the town just like I am and just like most of us are. I know that I was pretty lurkish today, but I was driving all over Florida looking for houses and then went to dinner and the movies so time was short. I cannot promise I will be around all the time and posting ten times a day but I will promise that I will post when I can.

Why should you believe me? I haven't claimed, what good is my word without giving up my role to back it up? I would ask you this: We've already lost several power roles, several others have been revealed. Unless this is the most absurdly powerful game ever there can't be that many more. Mine is not necessarily that powerful but it has its uses, and I think when the time is right those uses could be put to great effect if you guys can learn to trust me. I would say investigate me but we saw how that worked with Noodle, so instead I will just say do what you feel you need to, but believe me when I say that I would gladly tell you what I know if I could. That is really about it. The accusations are pretty straightforward, so I offer a straightforward defense.
Oh, and regarding my post-lock vote for Goryani, I simply didn't get in in time. Hell, Goryani didn't get in in time. That lock was so fast I was lucky to have read the thread. Yes, I think I did post before the lock. Does that mean I had time to read everything, think about it, do a bit of re-reading, then formulate my vote? No. When I did vote, it was because I wanted to show my support whether it made a difference or not. This is a lose-lose for me, apparently, because I am quite sure that if I hadn't you would be shouting about me not voting for him right about now.

As for new business, I have a strange question that doesn't really mean much, but that interests me quite a bit. I see that the Masons are generally played as a sort of separate entity, pro-town but almost like their own faction. Do the mafia know of their identities, or that they are town? This game is proving to be impossible to Google, so from now on all my questions about gameplay will go here instead of the Magical Answer Machine.

And finally, considering we have a good-as-confirmed cop now, I'm going to make like Laarz and follow him. Before you say it; yes, I distrusted him before. Yes, I announced we cannot strictly trust him. Yes, I am now changing my tune. It happens. Right about now there is no reason to distrust him, so I'm following the cop. And I'm also following pharphy's great idea.

Vote 2: frozzzen



 
Heh, so you got me eh?

Daphne here. Serial Killer. Anti town.

Can't help myself in this situation, but town, aren't you dreaming lovely. Following Martin like this will get you killed everyone.
All I will say is well played: Gory, Martin Long, Mal and CG.
Well, anyway if you succeed my hat down to you.

That's about it. Have fun with game everyone :)
Over and out.
 
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