Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Jcakes1]

My scum radar is going berserk over this post. I can see this leading to one of your scum buddies making a "rushed" post and misspelling frozen's name. And because it was discussed yesterday.

I am just thinking that we have 48 hours, if we vote 1 frozzen we are not going to lynch anyone else today. The only way vote 2ing frozzen doesn't work in towns favour is if we are at mylo, otherwise it is going to be fairly obvious who screwed up the vote.

If we vote 1 frozzen, then we are not going to get anything else done today.

 

[Moar]

I see, nice. I remember thinking it odd you thought there were only 5 mafia, didn't think to look for breadcrumbs.



That is definitely my first thought, that CG was scum and Gory tried to save him. But that only really works if mafia is on the edge of winning, which seems impossible with the number of people remaining. On the other hand, it could be he wanted to throw suspicion on CG. Gory is known for being a very smart player, and that could just be his tactic to make us waste a lynch on a townie.

CG, did you think Gory was bluffing? Did you think omg was lying about his role, either survivor or kill part?




Just a thought, but should we try to lynch frozzzen by vote 2? The proven cop got a guilty verdict, I don't see us having a better target to use the vote 2 on today.

Vote 2: frozzzen

The cop flipped him guilty and you want to experiment? Good grief. 5 towns dead an 1 neutral...do you think you will get a lynch?

 

[Caluin Graye]

If we vote 1 frozzen, then we are not going to get anything else done today.

No? I like to think that we got quite a bit accomplished yesterday after the rush lock on Goryani. What makes today different?

 

[Jcakes1]

Are you insane? How do you think a vote2 can go through with 5 townies an 1 neutral dead??

Quite simple Moar, anyone not voting frozzen is scum. The only way this doesn't work is if we are at Mylo (mislynch and lose).

I am happy to vote frozzen either way, I am just suggesting that maybe we should vote 2 frozzen leaving vote 1 free for someone like Autti, Noodle or Pman. If we vote 1 frozzen, there is 0 chance of us voting another scum today.

 

[Moar]

Quite simple Moar, anyone not voting frozzen is scum. The only way this doesn't work is if we are at Mylo (mislynch and lose).

I am happy to vote frozzen either way, I am just suggesting that maybe we should vote 2 frozzen leaving vote 1 free for someone like Autti, Noodle or Pman. If we vote 1 frozzen, there is 0 chance of us voting another scum today.

So you have a lot of people discussing an "MAYBE" voting vote 2 in the end and then you want them to suddenly change them to vote 1? no sorry, dumb thinking

I was actually defending you in our night talk. I do reconsider now

 

[pancakeman]

Just got back from a run, no time to turn brain on deep-thinking mode yet, but I read the story and I have two questions for discussion.

- We've only got one NK. How?
- Why would Gory take the bullet for CG?

For the moment I'll just say that I am not convinced that Gory would "save" CG if they were both mafia. Gory is a very experienced and very clever player, and to see him take that bullet, especially when his post was the last of the day and would be seen and thought about for 24 hours, looks more to me like he was framing CG to get rid of him. You wouldn't believe how much it pains me to say this, given his repeated attacks on me and insistence that I am scum, but I think CG just got framed.

 

[MartinLong]

We know frozzzen is scum. What we don't know is, who else is scum or looks like scum. Since I am now a proven cop - there are two well laid out events to look at.

1 - My D1 lynch - Check for suspicious lynching - may be a toughy concidering my actions, but I think we can find some good results there.

2 - Gory's lynch - Check for the people who tried to press the fact that I could be scum, unproved, fakeclaim, insane. Everyone had their doubts on me (obviously), but I recall there being a number of people pushing these theories quite hard.

@ the vote 2 suggestions: We can still scum hunt for the future and make a strong list. Play it safe, one scum at a time and think of it as a game w/ one vote (like most others).

 

[Gwaihir]

Are you insane? How do you think a vote2 can go through with 5 townies an 1 neutral dead??

Pretty sure I am not, but I could be wrong. Do you see any reason why a townie would not vote for frozzzen? I sure don't. So we put frozzzen under a vote 2 as fast as possible, make sure people don't have time to play dumb. The only way he does not get lynched is a concerted effort by mafia to prevent it. That means we have a short list of very, very likely mafia candidates. We have almost 2 full days to do this. If by tomorrow at this time he is not close to being lynched, we can still go for a vote 1 lynch without much difficulty.

I don't understand this question. It's obvious to me what Goryani was trying to accomplish.



I stated multiple times that I was near certain that omg was bluffing. At least about the kill part. The survivor part didn't matter to me, so I didn't put much thought into it. He claimed not-town, therefore he needed to be lynched.

Fail on my part. The question I meant to ask was do you think that Gory thought omg was bluffing. Although I guess that question does not really answer anything as he was on the chopping block either way.

 

[MartinLong]

Sorry for the triple post, but I saw VI in the SP game too, but on mafiascum VI is a derogatory term for someone who says stupid things. The win condition for VI is to get lynched right? So it is synonymous w/ Jester. Just trying to figure it all out here - w/ so many roles around it can get confusing.

Can anyone comment?

Just got back from a run, no time to turn brain on deep-thinking mode yet, but I read the story and I have two questions for discussion.

- We've only got one NK. How?
- Why would Gory take the bullet for CG?

For the moment I'll just say that I am not convinced that Gory would "save" CG if they were both mafia. Gory is a very experienced and very clever player, and to see him take that bullet, especially when his post was the last of the day and would be seen and thought about for 24 hours, looks more to me like he was framing CG to get rid of him. You wouldn't believe how much it pains me to say this, given his repeated attacks on me and insistence that I am scum, but I think CG just got framed.

PCM, check my post

Now for my death analysis:

Each night there were 2 deaths, tonight there is one.
I presume the mafia put a hit on me, thinking that the doc wouldn't save me (check outted Cop, hidden cop circular logic). I was protected, so the kill did not happen.

Now, for my investigations: Frozzen turned foe. Therefore,

Vote 1: frozzzen

 

[Jcakes1]

No? I like to think that we got quite a bit accomplished yesterday after the rush lock on Goryani. What makes today different?

The difference today is we don't have another person to vote 2. Just here me out for a second. These are the two options as I see it.

1) We vote 1 frozzen. Who do we vote 2 in that case? It is very easy for mafia to cast doubt about any other suspect and we are unlikely to lynch anyone with our second vote (especially as mafia are unlikely to vote for their buddies).

2) We vote 2 frozzen, everyone has to vote frozzen otherwise they are downright scum. This now leaves vote 1 (which only requires a majority to lynch) free to actually kill scum.

The only risk with using vote 2 on frozzen is if we are at mylo (Mislynch and lose) as in this case the mafia can all unvote frozzen at the last second, avoid the lynch and win the game the next day. If we are not at mylo and they try that, then we know who the mafia are and can hopefully win the game by lynching them one after another.

The problem in my mind of using vote 1 is that we end up with a day where we are just going to discuss who to lynch next, but wont be able to act on it.

 

[coju]

1)

@ coju: Given this post by Thyiad.

Looks like omg was bluffing.

2)

Ok, after day end yesterday I was fairly confused, even if omg was bluffing why would goryani (being antitown) take the last vote on omg knowing that he could potentially stop the blast on CG. The only logical thing I could think of is that CG is scum. Why would he want to stop the blast on anyone except his teammates?

3)

He totally did. Now what we really need to figure out is if he saved CG because CG is scum, or if it's because he wanted to cast suspicion )but this kind of seems like a waste, doesn't it?)What we really need to figure out is whether or not he did it to frame CG or to save him another night. Can't see what benefit there is to saving him from the lynch unless he is 1 x lynch immune or has some useful role for them. My guess the best bet is to end up lynching CG, though. What do you have to say to defend yourself CG? Uyouve had all night to think about it so it better be a good answer. Especially if your pals helped you out. As expected Gory was just filling the thread with spam to distract us. It'll be hard to tell how much is lying, because he had to do some attacking of his own team, right?I anticipate some people using Gory's posts yesterday to start hate against others, and I also expect these people to be scummy.

I am just thinking that if we Vote 1: Frozzen there is no way we will lynch anyone else today. However with a vote 2 on frozzzen that should succeed, we may be able to get to mafia today. I just wanted to raise the idea before we rushed to a lock like we did with Goryani.

This, I agree with. Vote2ing frozzzen and not wasting this day with a quick lock.

Are you insane? How do you think a vote2 can go through with 5 townies an 1 neutral dead??

Easy. explained below.

My scum radar is going berserk over this post. I can see this leading to one of your scum buddies making a "rushed" post and misspelling frozen's name. And because it was discussed yesterday.

How does this post:

Nice work on getting another scum martin, (this game is going a bit better than the last one, where we missed everytime with cop).

However, should we use Vote 2 on frozzen and try to get one of his buddies with vote 1?

make your scumdar go beserk? Because Jcakes misspelled froZZZen's name? Because you did too. So, by your analysis, you're pinging your own scumdar.


Jcakes brought up a good idea, vote 2ing frozzzen. If we are believing MartinLong's cop results, then frozzzen is scum, and we can vote 2 him. Anyone that doesn't, should be deemed scum and vote 1nd.

Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[coju]

Didn't even talk about cg in that one...brb with that.

 

[coju]

Actually, I don't care about cg atm. Today, already, multiplies have popped scum on my dar. Let's see who else slips.

 

[Moar]

Just got back from a run, no time to turn brain on deep-thinking mode yet, but I read the story and I have two questions for discussion.

- We've only got one NK. How?
- Why would Gory take the bullet for CG?

We thought about that one and you took the bait. Though we have you down more SK than mafia. It was CG against frozzzen and frozzzen is claied scum,. So CG is good to go. So you are scum or SK (consensus SK).

 

[MartinLong]

The logic is there to bring to light the scum. Who else is thinking this possibility?

 

[Moar]

The difference today is we don't have another person to vote 2. Just here me out for a second. These are the two options as I see it.

1) We vote 1 frozzen. Who do we vote 2 in that case? It is very easy for mafia to cast doubt about any other suspect and we are unlikely to lynch anyone with our second vote (especially as mafia are unlikely to vote for their buddies).

2) We vote 2 frozzen, everyone has to vote frozzen otherwise they are downright scum. This now leaves vote 1 (which only requires a majority to lynch) free to actually kill scum.

The only risk with using vote 2 on frozzen is if we are at mylo (Mislynch and lose) as in this case the mafia can all unvote frozzen at the last second, avoid the lynch and win the game the next day. If we are not at mylo and they try that, then we know who the mafia are and can hopefully win the game by lynching them one after another.

The problem in my mind of using vote 1 is that we end up with a day where we are just going to discuss who to lynch next, but wont be able to act on it.

I'll vote him vote2 as well then. Same for me what he gets killed with. But you sir are now on my scum list.

 

[Moar]

Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[pharphis]

On scum list. Solar said that it was either CG or frozzxen for lynch. Looks like frozzzen is scum, so that wall of text is scum.

I'm sorry, I don't really get this. You're saying solar suggested that CG and frozzzen were on opposing sides? To be honest, I don't remember much of yesterday, so I don't quite remember if they were attacking each other.

Also, a quick apology for the format from that post, and a quick explanation;
I was on my phone and posted that after having only read the day start and coju's response. that's what I was saying "he totally did" to. I didn't know frozzzen was investigated, yet.

Now that I think about it more, I still have to bring it up again though. I see 3 possibilities;
1. CG is scum and Gory wanted to save him
-Because Gory is a seasoned player, I see all the more reason to do this. Because of possibility 3, it's better for him to save his partner and make us wonder about it then to just let his partner take the bullet. I can see this being especially true if CG is godfather or has some other ability the mafia can benefit from.

2. CG is not scum and gory thought OMG was completely bluffing on the locked death thing.
-This sort of speaks for itself because it means he can cast suspicion on a non-mafia player at no loss of a "free townie death" the OMG lock would have caused

3. CG is not scum and Gory wanted to cast blame on him (but still thought OMG was bluffing)
I can't see this as being any better than just making CG take the hit, aside from maybe causing this topic to be a distraction?

@Moar
Also, if you think I'm scum after agreeing completely with Solar immediately after he suggested Gory and frozzzen (and before both investigations), then you've got me all wrong

There was more I read and I'll get back with my thoughts shortly.

 

[pharphis]

Okay, now with respect to the vote 2 stuff, I actually agree at the risk of painting myself scum.

(Keep in mind this is all assuming that vote 2 CAN'T be locked - I don't think this was specified in the rules and I can't remember)

I say we all vote 2 frozzen (ALL OF US, even after we're over the 75%+1) and assuming there is no lock mechanic, then anyone who is not willing to vote is automatically scum. I can't see any reason to not do so, and if enough people take off their vote at the end to reduce to a non-lynch, then we have an easy list of scum. This gives us the vote 1 mechanic to test on the other scummy people, which will be much more likely to succeed for us.

Of course, for now I'll vote both, so we have a handful in vote 1 at the minimum. I really hope people don't push it to a lock early on, though.

PLEASE, if there is something wrong with my logic on the vote 2 here then obviously we need to figure it out. I can't see how anyone unvote2ing frozzzen could possibly be town, and that if there are ANY players who don't vote regardless, they are also probably scum (unless they couldn't make it for an entire day phase :/ ). The reason behind that is that if they don't vote "because they didn't need to" then they have an excuse (a poor one at that) to say "you can't connect me to those who unvoted to save frozzzen blah blah blah, I just didn't do so because we didn't need it".

Anyway, before I forget to do so,

Vote 1: frozzzen
Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[Gwaihir]

Can anyone comment?

VI is the same as the jester role you posted. They win by getting lynched.

We thought about that one and you took the bait. Though we have you down more SK than mafia. It was CG against frozzzen and frozzzen is claied scum,. So CG is good to go. So you are scum or SK (consensus SK).

I didn't follow this logic. How can only one of CG and frozzzen be scum?

The logic is there to bring to light the scum. Who else is thinking this possibility?

I don't understand what you are saying here.