Loki: Lord of Fire

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Loki: Lord of Fire

First of all, welcome to this thread. You probably won't recognize me, nor will I recognize you guys, since I'm quite new to this forum. Recently I started to play diablo II once more.

I've lots of experience in several builds. In this topic -however- I'll try to focus me on one particular build, which I will call the Loki, named after the Viking god of Fire.

This build focus on two main points: werewolf and fireclaws. No your not blind, wereWOLF not werebear. Two reasons, first of all -let's be honest- those teddybears look like crap and second of all, I like speed more then anything.
This build will be very risky tho. Being a Werebear gives you the advantage to have lots of life (and defense), but most of all, it gives you the ultimate crowd control skill Shockwave. I'll make up for this with AR and attack speed. The extra attack rating takes away the need for extra dex. I hate dex. Just get some +AR charms or gear-it will be multiplied many times- and you're fine. Rather spent it in str for extra dam. (am I right?) or mass life (which is never a bad thing in Hell). Most of all, I like the AR -and keep my options open- without having to mass Shael's in my weapon. With enough life and mana-stealing and the high damage of FC this wolf could get insane.

Hmm, I should save the rest for a possible guide. For now I would just like your opinions on the viability on a FC-WW build. I haven't played it yet -like I said- its just an idea. I like high damage and high speed. My skill set-up will probably be something like this:

Werewolf: 1-20
Lycantrohpy: 1-20
Oak Sage: 0-1
*Raven: 0-1
Carrion Vine: 0-1
Fire Claw: 20
Firestorm: 0-20
Fissure: 0-20
Molton Boulder: 20
Volcano: 20 (vs PI as well)

*blind, altough it probably isn't very viable cause you have to keep re-casting ravens (only 20 hits per raven).

Stats:
strength: enough for gear (or go for +1% damage if you got a nice high fysical damage as well, useful vs PI's)
dexterity: base
vitality: rest
energy: base

Oh well, to the point: will a FC-WW cut it, or not? A FC-WB is no option.
 
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werewolf works fine, the benefits being more AR and better FHR while the drawbacks being less life and speed.
You will only ever hit 5 frames in WW forum compared to 4-frames in bear form.

So you wont be making up for using a wolf with more attack speed.

If looks like you want to just max 3 synergies, which is fine as well. life > damage, but you might want to max molten boulder instead of firestorm as its a synergy for volcano.

ravens are still viable as a 1 point wonder. Having to recast them every so often shouldn't be a problem.

this for PvM right ? cause honestly the the werebear works better in PvM cause of shockwave and the benefits that come with being a FC wolf dont suit PvM as well as a Bear does.
Again that doesnt mean its not viable, just not as easy.
 
superjayson said:
werewolf works fine, the benefits being more AR and better FHR while the drawbacks being less life and speed.
You will only ever hit 5 frames in WW forum compared to 4-frames in bear form.

So you wont be making up for using a wolf with more attack speed.

If looks like you want to just max 3 synergies, which is fine as well. life > damage, but you might want to max molten boulder instead of firestorm as its a synergy for volcano.

ravens are still viable as a 1 point wonder. Having to recast them every so often shouldn't be a problem.

this for PvM right ? cause honestly the the werebear works better in PvM cause of shockwave and the benefits that come with being a FC wolf dont suit PvM as well as a Bear does.
Again that doesnt mean its not viable, just not as easy.
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Ah crap, I still forgot to edit Molton Boulder in my listed skills. I'll probably go for max Molton and max Volcano against PI's. I haven't decided yet how many synergies I'll go for tho. I could go for a high-damage FC-wolf or just get somekind of hybrid (summoner/fireclaw or fury/fireclaw).

This is for PvM SP 1.11 btw.

I still wonder: how can it be that a WB can hit faster then a WW?


 
It's really up to you how to max synergies. In PvP I would always suggest 3 synergies with the rest going into Lycan cause the life is huge.

Depending on your gear setup for PvM you might consider the same thing, but only putting 1 point in lycan and maxing all 4 synergies could easily be viable.

If you do choose three, max the 3 I suggested as it will give you a stronger Volcano attack.
 
Perhaps there's one more advantage for werewolf: feral rage. I've never used FC before, but as far as I know it can be combined with feral perfectly. Another possible option is rabies as a second skill for more crowd control, since the poisoncloud will spread and take away the monster healing. Instead of a third synergie I possibly max rabies as second attack.

My last question remains however: why can't a FC-WW reach 4 frames/sec, while a FC-WB can?
 
The problem is that you need to find a fast weapon that also deals decent damage if you want Feral to be effective. Here are my thoughts on your build:

1 point WW: FC offers insane AR on its own. Add on lvl 5+ WW and you're going to be hitting 8-12k easily.

20 into Lycan: Life > Dmg

Synergies to max: (in order) Fissure, Cano, Boulder. Why? Because you:
A: Won't hit a high speed weapon until later in the game.
B: Fissure gives insane crowd control that should easily get you through Normal.

As for your question: I honestly have no idea. I suppose Blizz wanted to give something to WB to make them useful for more than just stun >.>

EDIT- Wasn't Loki also the Trickster god or something like that?
 
LokiLoF said:
Perhaps there's one more advantage for werewolf: feral rage. I've never used FC before, but as far as I know it can be combined with feral perfectly. Another possible option is rabies as a second skill for more crowd control, since the poisoncloud will spread and take away the monster healing. Instead of a third synergie I possibly max rabies as second attack.

My last question remains however: why can't a FC-WW reach 4 frames/sec, while a FC-WB can?
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Like vera said, Feral rage is best used when you have lots oh physical damage cause of the life leech. A FC wolf wont have that making it not as useful, but FRW is always nice..

Rabies sucks PvM and considering you're wanting to go FC you might have alot of trouble trying to balance them out and make them useful. If that idea suits you search for a flaming rabies guide here on the forum. That's a PvP guide though, but im sure you could take some PvM from it if you really wanted to try and make Rabies work in PvM.

I don't know why that is, I'm guessing its because Bears are sexier.



 
Yeah I had a fireclaw werewolf too ^^. Instead of rightclicking lvl 22 werebear, I rightclick lvl 22 werewolf :)
pretty cutting edge
 
Verashiden said:
The problem is that you need to find a fast weapon that also deals decent damage if you want Feral to be effective. Here are my thoughts on your build:

1 point WW: FC offers insane AR on its own. Add on lvl 5+ WW and you're going to be hitting 8-12k easily.

20 into Lycan: Life > Dmg
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True, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem. I don't like blocking, especially not with fast weapons, cause the blocklock makes your offense less effective. So I probably get a 2H-weapon with high damage (and speed, I think it's easier for a ww to get 5 frames/sec then for a WB to get 4 frames/sec), which works well with feral rage and could make me effective against fire-immunes as well.

I doubt wether I will max Lycan or not. I prefer damage over life, by getting huge mana and lifestealing. My last werewolf was also pure damage: might merc, HoW, max Fury, WW and Lycan. He kind of raped anything in hell, including Diablo.

P.s. The PI (physical immune) in my openingspost should be FI (fire immune).


 
Hmm, I haven't decided yet, but I listed 3 options for my wolf.

First of all, a pure FC-wolf: 20 FC, 80 synergies.
Second, a FC/Rabies hybrid: 20 FC, 60 synergies, 20 Rabies (+ carrion wind ring for carrion vine synergie)
Third, a FC/Armaggedon hybrid: 20 FC, 60 synergies, 20 Armageddon.

With all three builds I will use a fast, but damaging 2H weapon, which makes me effective vs FI's and PI's. But most of all, it makes my feral rage effective (which I'll charge up, before running into a mob) I will probably mass life charms with any of these builds.
 
frums said:
carrion wind bug doesnt work anymore, so thats a no go i guess :)
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Ah crap.

Perhaps a Rabies/Furyclaw hybrid with: 20 PC, 20 Rabies for huge poison and 20 FC + 2 synergies for huge fire damage.

I wonder wether a fully synergized Armageddon will be worth spending points in. This pure firedamage wolf could have a high fysical damage weapon on switch for the FI's.


 
Not really worth maxing IMO. I'd rather have more life than something that randomly deals damage and is hard to aim without 200+ FRW.

Also, Rabies sucks in PvM unless you get it to the 35+ k region with Rabies switch. And even then it's a slow killer.

With 80 synergies you'll be one shotting a lot of monsters in Hell. Try to get a non eth Tombreaver and Shael Shael Ber it. Dracs will cover your leech so the CB is more effective. Also I think it hits 5 frames. And if that wasn't good enough, it has chance to animate, taking a lot of heat off you in certain places.

I personally think 80 points in synergies is overkill though. I'm sure SSoG will <3 you though.
 
Not really important, but commonly Loki is the god of mischeif, at least that's what I've always heard and read in all my years ... looking it up on wiki they did mention it to my surprise though ...

Wiki said:
Loki is the god of mischief, sometimes he is referred to as the norse god of fire but this has only been accounted in rare cases.
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