Justification for cheating?

[Dredd]

Very well. I'll do it the correct way then.

This thread is dead. Now move along people, nothing to see here.

 

[Ash Housewares1]

Dredd, just admit you're a cheater already you big cheating cheater

 

[Dredd]

Am not you big bully! I'm just making the game more fun for me me ME!


*Chases Ash back to the OTFs*

Don't make me bring out the trout!

 

[Lord Chaos]

I fail to see the significance of this statement.

There was as much significance in that, as there was in the "rules are rules" statement. Yes, everyone does thing, doesn't make it right...merely makes it a fact of life and that people should get off their high horses.

 

[Daemonaz]

There was as much significance in that, as there was in the "rules are rules" statement. Yes, everyone does thing, doesn't make it right...merely makes it a fact of life and that people should get off their high horses.

Uh? Now you are saying that people like me who don't cheat have to get off our high horses? Dude, don't push it. You are the one that is cheating, it's really plain and simple. If you use maphack, you cheat. I find it amazing how all you cheaters can't seem to get that through your thick skulls.

I've read through this whole thread and I find the justification for cheating you people come up with rather amusing.

"I don't have enough time cause I have to work and look after my kids." That had to be the best one of the all. I mean seriously, why don't you run a bot then too, if you don't have time cause you have to work, why not use your working hours to its max potential and run a bot?

All you people who have to use MH to see the sockets on an item on the floor are plain and simple LAZY. The same goes for teleporting or running or whatever through any map. If you need a program to reveal the map for you, you are just LAZY.

Basically the item thing is like buying a lottery ticket. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and instead of spending money, you spend time. Time which could have been used to grab another item, which now has been taken by your fellow player. Too bad. But you MHers have taken the chance factor out of it, by only having to pick the winning lottery ticket. And you still consider this not cheating?

 

[Usufruct]

Playing Diablo with a cheater is the same as playing monopoly with a cheater. Except in monopoly I can say noob and punch the bastard in the face.

 

[squigipapa]

wow! it's really interesting to see people get so worked up about this stuff. who cares! it revals the map, once you do an area for the first time with a character the map should be revealed anyway. Just like it is in single player. Role play a little here. you're a barb, you travel through an area then you go to bed (ie. save and exit) but when you come back the next day the area you traveled the day before is totally different, the exit's or stairs are no longer in the same place!!! Buildings have moved hundreds of yards from where they were the day before. The monistery that used to be south of the cold plains is now North!! stop the insanity!!
I don't agree with hacks or dupes for obvious reasons, but revealing the map .. come on! "oh .. but it gives and unfair advantage, cause the maphackers can do mf runs faster then thoes who dont map hack, which means they get more great items!" why do you care, you're not gonna trade with thoes cheating hackers anyway.
And as far as unfair advantages go, that is bull***t! everyone who plays this game has unfair advantages over others, younger people who are still in school have more time to play than older people with jobs and families, however older people with jobs and famlies have more income and credit cards etc. so they can buy maphack. It all even's out in the end.
But anyway, really the point here is "who cares!" play the game the way you enjoy it! if you want to break the eula .. go right ahead, do whatever you want as long as you're willing to accept whatever conciquences might come from your actions. if bit**ing about map hackers on forums floats your boat.. by all means .. go ahead!
I think the worst is the people I see in these forums complaining the using "netstat" to find D-Clone is a cheat! .. what's next .. "I don't have an internet connection .. I can't connect to battle.net ... you can?!!! not fair .. cheater!!!"

whatever..

 

[Lord Chaos]

1. How funny you would label me as a cheater, when I have repeatedly stated that I do not cheat.

2. Hey, no more lazy than the people who, instead of finding things out themselves, go to message forums, get help from closed circles, etc...in the end its all how you view it.

 

[Daemonaz]

wow! it's really interesting to see people get so worked up about this stuff. who cares! it revals the map, once you do an area for the first time with a character the map should be revealed anyway. Just like it is in single player. Role play a little here. you're a barb, you travel through an area then you go to bed (ie. save and exit) but when you come back the next day the area you traveled the day before is totally different, the exit's or stairs are no longer in the same place!!! Buildings have moved hundreds of yards from where they were the day before. The monistery that used to be south of the cold plains is now North!! stop the insanity!!
I don't agree with hacks or dupes for obvious reasons, but revealing the map .. come on! "oh .. but it gives and unfair advantage, cause the maphackers can do mf runs faster then thoes who dont map hack, which means they get more great items!" why do you care, you're not gonna trade with thoes cheating hackers anyway.
And as far as unfair advantages go, that is bull***t! everyone who plays this game has unfair advantages over others, younger people who are still in school have more time to play than older people with jobs and families, however older people with jobs and famlies have more income and credit cards etc. so they can buy maphack. It all even's out in the end.
But anyway, really the point here is "who cares!" play the game the way you enjoy it! if you want to break the eula .. go right ahead, do whatever you want as long as you're willing to accept whatever conciquences might come from your actions. if bit**ing about map hackers on forums floats your boat.. by all means .. go ahead!
I think the worst is the people I see in these forums complaining the using "netstat" to find D-Clone is a cheat! .. what's next .. "I don't have an internet connection .. I can't connect to battle.net ... you can?!!! not fair .. cheater!!!"

whatever..

This is exactly the reason why so many people use maphack and cheat because apparantly it's not a big deal. Well I got news for you, using a third program party on a gaming service that specifically prohibits said programs is a big deal. You keep on living in your dream world, and when that one glorious day of WoW arrives, and all you cheaters get your third party programs in there too, then we laugh cause we pay to get scumbag cheaters off the realms.

 

[Daemonaz]

1. How funny you would label me as a cheater, when I have repeatedly stated that I do not cheat.

2. Hey, no more lazy than the people who, instead of finding things out themselves, go to message forums, get help from closed circles, etc...in the end its all how you view it.

1) You have repeatedly said you used maphack, whether you use it now doesn't matter. You did use it, you are cheater.

2) Again you try to justify YOUR cheating. When does that moment come that you actually admit it to yourself?

 

[sasja]

1. How funny you would label me as a cheater, when I have repeatedly stated that I do not cheat.

That's funny, because as I recall it you both admitted to using maphack and that maphack was cheating. Let's see if I can't find the quotes... Yes, here they are

what I care about (in using maphack, ed) is being able to actually play the game in a fun flowing manner, instead of having to stop up all the time to read truckloads of white writing or pick up every grey item

I really never said it wasn't cheating, but I consider alot of things cheating...*shrugs*

And for the second part of your post:

2. Hey, no more lazy than the people who, instead of finding things out themselves, go to message forums, get help from closed circles, etc...in the end its all how you view it.

Haven't we been there before? Yes, we have - 5 pages ago you had this formulation:

So does alot of other things (give an unfair advantage, ed) ...all the forums, little proggies etc. that helps calculate, help set up perfect builds

Then, as now, my answer is:

None of the game's rules are about sharing information. Some of the game's rules are about what part of the map you can see, the colour of unique, magical and socketed drops, etc. If you want to change it, I think you should be allowed - I'm all for Open Source. Just stay away from the place made for and inhabited by the people who want to play the game as it is.

You've run out of arguments several pages ago, and now you're just trolling, giving everybody a worse impression of you. Time to let it go.

I'd hate to be dragged into this thread again with all the people flinging pooh around! Gross!

 

[squigipapa]

My little Dreamworld.

This is exactly the reason why so many people use maphack and cheat because apparantly it's not a big deal. Well I got news for you, using a third program party on a gaming service that specifically prohibits said programs is a big deal. You keep on living in your dream world, and when that one glorious day of WoW arrives, and all you cheaters get your third party programs in there too, then we laugh cause we pay to get scumbag cheaters off the realms.

Huh! I was following for for the first line or so .. but then you lost me. What exactly does WoW have to do with getting 3rd party programs off of D2 & D2x? "then we laugh cause we pay to get scumbag cheaters off the realms" .. and I'm living in a dream world... ya! Excuse me ... Waiter .. I want whatever this guy's having.. and by the way. I hate to break it to you but whether you .. or some other guy, or 10,000 other people agree that this is a big deal, I don't believe it is. Let me explain:
Define "Big Deal" Will I end up in jail? well no other person on the face of the planet has been jailed for using maphack on battle.net. (specific example, don't start proving your point by listing examples of idiots who've hacked governments and gotton caught. we're talking battle.net and maphack here.)
ok .. so I won't go to jail if I get caught.. will my account get banned.. maybe.. who cares, I can create another one. Will my cd-key get banned, very small possibility, oh well, 10 minuts pay will cover the purchase of a new copy.
So if the "punishment" is basically nothing for me.. that tells me that it's not a big deal, now all of this or course puts aside morality .. I'm not gonna talk about what's morally right or wrong because it's pointless.. everyone in the world has a different view on morality ..
I believe that the punishment defines what is or is not a "big deal" example: if the punishment for robbing a bank was to write "I will never rob a bank again" 100 times on a chalkboard, do you think most criminal's would think that robbing a bank was a big deal? .. the same as jaywalking .. nobody thinks that this is a big deal (by nobody I don't mean you, you know YOU.. the one morally superiour person that going to write back saying that you care about jaywalking..) However, if the punishment for jaywalking was 5 years on death row, then the electric chair, people would then think it was a big deal.
The fact is that it's the "lawmakers" or "rulemakers" that decide what is a big deal to them. If Blizzard found a way to detect maphack, and spent the hundreds or thousands if not millions of dollars that it would take to prosicute to the full extent of the law, every last person that used maphack on battle.net then people's view's would change, however, in my "little dream world" that's not the way it works.

 

[Borlag]

will my account get banned.. maybe.. who cares, I can create another one. Will my cd-key get banned, very small possibility, oh well, 10 minuts pay will cover the purchase of a new copy.

Sorry but am I the only one who finds this amusing? People want to speed up their MF:ing by having the maps visible right from the start. This to me sounds like such person would want to gain wealth in items in the realms, right? So, how come when that person is banned it becomes "no big deal, I just buy a new copy"...

To me it sounds really funny...by playing completely without any hacks/cheats and not getting banned in the first place would perhaps give you the items slightly slower, but on the upside is, you wont have to fear of being banned for using cheats...and thus no fear of losing those items...

Anyway...back to something productive, such as twiddling thumbs, anything really but this thread...

 

[Daemonaz]

Huh! I was following for for the first line or so .. but then you lost me. What exactly does WoW have to do with getting 3rd party programs off of D2 & D2x? "then we laugh cause we pay to get scumbag cheaters off the realms" .. and I'm living in a dream world... ya! Excuse me ... Waiter .. I want whatever this guy's having.. and by the way. I hate to break it to you but whether you .. or some other guy, or 10,000 other people agree that this is a big deal, I don't believe it is. Let me explain:
Define "Big Deal" Will I end up in jail? well no other person on the face of the planet has been jailed for using maphack on battle.net. (specific example, don't start proving your point by listing examples of idiots who've hacked governments and gotton caught. we're talking battle.net and maphack here.)
ok .. so I won't go to jail if I get caught.. will my account get banned.. maybe.. who cares, I can create another one. Will my cd-key get banned, very small possibility, oh well, 10 minuts pay will cover the purchase of a new copy.
So if the "punishment" is basically nothing for me.. that tells me that it's not a big deal, now all of this or course puts aside morality .. I'm not gonna talk about what's morally right or wrong because it's pointless.. everyone in the world has a different view on morality ..
I believe that the punishment defines what is or is not a "big deal" example: if the punishment for robbing a bank was to write "I will never rob a bank again" 100 times on a chalkboard, do you think most criminal's would think that robbing a bank was a big deal? .. the same as jaywalking .. nobody thinks that this is a big deal (by nobody I don't mean you, you know YOU.. the one morally superiour person that going to write back saying that you care about jaywalking..) However, if the punishment for jaywalking was 5 years on death row, then the electric chair, people would then think it was a big deal.
The fact is that it's the "lawmakers" or "rulemakers" that decide what is a big deal to them. If Blizzard found a way to detect maphack, and spent the hundreds or thousands if not millions of dollars that it would take to prosicute to the full extent of the law, every last person that used maphack on battle.net then people's view's would change, however, in my "little dream world" that's not the way it works.

See there you go again. Cheating is apparantly no big deal to you. No matter the consequences of your actions. People like you should be banned off the realm, which will happen when WoW (WORLD OF WARCRAFT) gets released and you start your cheating spree in there too. Now, us legit players can't really do much because it's a free service and we are in many ways glad Blizzard keeps it running. When WoW however is out, and we pay 10 euros a month, us PAYING CUSTOMERS, who play LEGIT (a word that apparantly has no meaning to you) will DEMAND to rid the realm of scumbag cheaters.

Now how difficult was that for you to understand?

Basically what you are saying is: I can kill someone as long as I don't get caught and convicted... Well that's maybe how it works in your little dream world...

 

[squigipapa]

See there you go again. Cheating is apparantly no big deal to you. No matter the consequences of your actions. People like you should be banned off the realm, which will happen when WoW (WORLD OF WARCRAFT) gets released and you start your cheating spree in there too. Now, us legit players can't really do much because it's a free service and we are in many ways glad Blizzard keeps it running. When WoW however is out, and we pay 10 euros a month, us PAYING CUSTOMERS, who play LEGIT (a word that apparantly has no meaning to you) will DEMAND to rid the realm of scumbag cheaters.

Now how difficult was that for you to understand?

Basically what you are saying is: I can kill someone as long as I don't get caught and convicted... Well that's maybe how it works in your little dream world...

Woah! Woah! there .. calm down, The only thing I was really addressing there was the whole "Big Deal" thing, I'm just guessing here, but I would imagine that you believe, Blizzard made the game, if they made it so you could not see the whole map than that is the way it should be played.
So basically .. Blizzard decides what goes and what dosen't. I would imagine that you agree with that statment...
All I'm saying here is that Blizzard dosen't think that using Maphack is a "Big Deal". Have they Said this? No, Of course not. So why am I assuming this, well, They haven't really done anything about it. If I hacked into Blizzards CreditCard Processing system or their Customer Tracking Database or something like that, Would their reaction be the same as if they caught me using maphack? No .. why .. because hacking, (I really mean cracking) one of thoes servers would be a BIG deal.
What I mean is if Blizzard really, Honestly thought that using maphack was a big huge deal the punishment would be much more severe than it currently is .. and it currently is .. well ... nothing!
I mean if blizzard wanted to make a point, they'd just sue mousepad! the guy is selling a derivitive work of blizzards copyrighted material!!! the guy is not rich, he can't afford a team of lawyers, Blizzard would mop the floor with him in court. I think that if they sued him they could send a message that they will not tolerate 3rd party programs on their network, that they will sue whoever writes them and they will go after anyone that they catch using them.
Alas, Blizzard has not done this, they show no signs of doing this, and until they (the creaters and owners of this whole thing) do something to tell us that this IS a big deal, how on earth can you (who probably agreed above that blizzard decides what goes and what dosen't) try to tell me that this is a big deal.
Again, I'm not talking about morality here. yes it is wrong to cheat on a test, on your wife/girlfriend, on your taxes whatever, but most people don't cheat on thoes things... why, because of the concenquences if you get caught. It dosen't really matter who agrees .. that is life, if there's not punishment .. the general population will not see it as a big deal.

As a little side note, Daemonaz, I'm really sorry if I offended you or anything, I'm just stating my oppinion, I don't believe that I Judged or labeled you in any of my previous posts, and I diden't want to get in a flame war with you or anything, in fact, I've been reading the forums for quite a while off and on and I think a lot of your oppinions are great. I just feel fairly strong about this one, in that I believe that this is not a "big deal" because blizzard, has led me to think this way, and I'm not alone.

anyway .. that's just my oppinion.. again .. sorry if I offended you.

 

[Daemonaz]

As a little side note, Daemonaz, I'm really sorry if I offended you or anything, I'm just stating my oppinion, I don't believe that I Judged or labeled you in any of my previous posts, and I diden't want to get in a flame war with you or anything, in fact, I've been reading the forums for quite a while off and on and I think a lot of your oppinions are great. I just feel fairly strong about this one, in that I believe that this is not a "big deal" because blizzard, has led me to think this way, and I'm not alone.

anyway .. that's just my oppinion.. again .. sorry if I offended you.

I understand, it's just these endless MH threads sometimes annoy me. I can understand your point of view but I'm against cheating and I consider MH as cheating, for reasons stated many times before. Sometimes I'm getting just tired off all the people trying to justify why they use it. In the end there is no real justification. My anger was not directed at you personally, sorry if it seemed so.

 

[squigipapa]

I understand, it's just these endless MH threads sometimes annoy me. I can understand your point of view but I'm against cheating and I consider MH as cheating, for reasons stated many times before. Sometimes I'm getting just tired off all the people trying to justify why they use it. In the end there is no real justification. My anger was not directed at you personally, sorry if it seemed so.

No that's cool man, I totally agree with you there, if you use it you cheat! plain and simple. No justification required! Don't try to say that you don't. if you use it you do. whether or not it's a big deal, well whatever, we have different oppinions on that one. So be it .. the world would be a very boreing place if we all agreed on everything..

 

[Slayer193]

That's funny, because as I recall it you both admitted to using maphack and that maphack was cheating. Let's see if I can't find the quotes... Yes, here they are


And for the second part of your post:

Haven't we been there before? Yes, we have - 5 pages ago you had this formulation:

Then, as now, my answer is:
You've run out of arguments several pages ago, and now you're just trolling, giving everybody a worse impression of you. Time to let it go.

I'd hate to be dragged into this thread again with all the people flinging pooh around! Gross!

Haha I like seeing cheaters get owned...

By the way, there ISN'T an advantage when it comes to D2 forums and an ONLINE game...idiot.

 

[Lord Chaos]

That's funny, because as I recall it you both admitted to using maphack and that maphack was cheating.

Yes, pre-ladder. Not on ladder, which is kinda what everything is about now.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Haha I like seeing cheaters get owned...

By the way, there ISN'T an advantage when it comes to D2 forums and an ONLINE game...idiot.

Oh, I got so owned, except there was no inconsistancy in the info. And if there's anyone who's an idiot, its one who says that there's no advantage to sites like this...then why the hell do you seek info here if it gives you no advantages in the game at all?...you're telling me that MF guides, build guides, mlvl/ilvl guides, pit guides, gives no advantages in the game?...damn the writers must feel really stupid now to have written something that noone can use.