Justification for cheating?

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Lord Chaos said:
Please read the context of which it was brought up in. It wasn't about wether it was legit means or not. It was argued that it was a bad feature, even if added directly into the game, because it gave and ADVANTAGE.

Again, since you seem to have problems grasping this, 1. Maphack is cheating. 2. Maphack will most likely never go away. 3. The game is not perfect. 4. Blizzard is not perfect. 5. I can, just like anyone else, make suggestions as what would be good things to add to the game, reveal map is not one of them.
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Why is it that you keep on coming with the same arguments time and time again, and time and time again you have been proven wrong. It is certainly not me who is putting words in your mouth. You keep on running in circles, while we just rephrase what you yourself have said. You've been entrapped by your own words and you are just trying to continue an argument you have already lost.

You will never see any of the things you want from MH in Diablo 2. Blizzard intended the game to be played the way it is now. Do you really think they will succumb to Mousepads little cheat program and add it to their game. Don't be rediculous.

Seeing sockets on an item before you pick it up will never be added. Next thing you want items to be indentified already too while they drop. To make things even more convenient, why not make it so that only useful items drop, so you don't have to wade through screens of white stuff. Actually why should we have to buy Town Portals at all. Isn't it rediculous that after 6+ years of Diablo we still have to cast a town portal to go to town. Jeez. Dude, you are rediculous and lazy. But that was already established a few pages ago.

I'm glad that you at least agree with the reveal map part. Although if I'm not mistaken it was one of the reasons why you used MH.
 
The problem, Lord Chaos, is that you're trying to draw comparison from two drastically dissimilar things. Cheating, in this context, means to violate rules deliberately. This, you are comparing to the receipt of information from such places as purediablo.com or the Arreat Summit. In no way is this cheating, no matter how you look at it.
 
Usufruct said:
This, you are comparing to the receipt of information from such places as purediablo.com or the Arreat Summit. In no way is this cheating, no matter how you look at it.
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And if Lord Chaos was actually on right now, here is how he would reply:

*Shrug*... well since *I* consider that cheating then it's okay for me to use maphack.

:lol: Worst Argument EVER!
 
Dredd said:
And if Lord Chaos was actually on right now, here is how he would reply:

*Shrug*... well since *I* consider that cheating then it's okay for me to use maphack.

:lol: Worst Argument EVER!
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Thank you for putting false words in my mouth...and here I thought you actually debated reasonably, my mistake.
 
Usufruct said:
The problem, Lord Chaos, is that you're trying to draw comparison from two drastically dissimilar things. Cheating, in this context, means to violate rules deliberately. This, you are comparing to the receipt of information from such places as purediablo.com or the Arreat Summit. In no way is this cheating, no matter how you look at it.
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Doesn't matter, the comparison was between advantages....the whole arguement was that they are bad BECAUSE they give an advantage, not because of cheating...therefor the comparison is reasonable. Had it been because it was cheating, then you're right, the comparison would be flawed.
 
Lol, it was a joke, for the love of pete. And at least I got the shrug part right. C'mon, lighten up a little bit. This thread has made us all feel pretty foul.

Why don't we switch identities for awhile. I'll be the maphacker and you be the legit player. Let's have some fun with this. :)
 
Daemonaz said:
Seeing sockets on an item before you pick it up will never be added. Next thing you want items to be indentified already too while they drop. To make things even more convenient, why not make it so that only useful items drop, so you don't have to wade through screens of white stuff. Actually why should we have to buy Town Portals at all. Isn't it rediculous that after 6+ years of Diablo we still have to cast a town portal to go to town.
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Yeah, or color uniques brown/gold, rares yellow and sets green...only lazy people would want features like that in the game so they didn't have to pick every item up to check.

Oh wait, thats already in the game.

Of course, only lazy people would complain about Teleporting only being avaliable to sorceress and Blizzard would never add that to other classes.

Oh wait, they did.
 
Lord Chaos said:
Doesn't matter, the comparison was between advantages....the whole arguement was that they are bad BECAUSE they give an advantage, not because of cheating...therefor the comparison is reasonable. Had it been because it was cheating, then you're right, the comparison would be flawed.
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No it wasn't and it has never been. Maybe one poster suggested that but that's it. The whole debate (which you conveniently seem to forget again) revolves around getting an UNFAIR advantage. Damn this record keeps being stuck.
 
Lord Chaos said:
Yeah, or color uniques brown/gold, rares yellow and sets green...only lazy people would want features like that in the game so they didn't have to pick every item up to check.

Oh wait, thats already in the game.

Of course, only lazy people would complain about Teleporting only being avaliable to sorceress and Blizzard would never add that to other classes.

Oh wait, they did.
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Give it up already. Your relpies become lamer by the second. Your argument revolves around nothing. There is no excuse for using MH, and there never was. There is no reason Blizzard will add that piece of cheater trash to Diablo and there never has been.

I applaud you for not using MH anymore, although I doubt it's because you wouldn't want to use it, but more that you haven't been able to get it yet.

I do however get tired of your pointless argument... once more I say give it up already.. you lost this argument 5 or so pages ago.
 
Dredd said:
Why don't we switch identities for awhile. I'll be the maphacker and you be the legit player. Let's have some fun with this. :)
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Ok...You suck you stinking cheater! I play the way the game was intended to be (the changes blizzard makes doesn't count), I hope your account, all your neighbours and your cats accounts get banned and that I can someday punch you, you filthy cheater...its your kind that makes the game so horrible, every time you pick up a socketed item it causes my game to drop and my dog to turn sick.

I HATE YOU, YOU STINKING N00B!!!111
 
NO!!!11111one!!

I have a right to use the game anyway I want cuz I paid 40 bucks for it! j00 are just totally jealous of my 1337ness cuz you can't afford it! come on, we all know the d00dz at Blizz use maphaxx and stuff!
 
Lord Chaos said:
the comparison is reasonable
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No. The comparison is not reasonable. Anyone can look up stuff on the internet. This is within the rules, and inarguably not an unfair advantage. Why isn't it an unfair advantage? Because anybody can do it if they have the time or the motivation. Why is maphack unfair? Because it gives an advantage that does not comply with the rules of the game. There is a huge difference that you are unwilling to admit.

The advantages gained from using maphack are not in any way comparable to the advantages of knowledge. Knowledge makes you smart, maphack makes you a cheater.
 
Dredd said:
NO!!!11111one!!

I have a right to use the game anyway I want cuz I paid 40 bucks for it! j00 are just totally jealous of my 1337ness cuz you can't afford it! come on, we all know the d00dz at Blizz use maphaxx and stuff!
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Now I will have to shoot your cat!!!...stupid n00b...I hate you so much, lamer lamer lolz lolz.

I hate you so much because today Battlenet went down because you could better see the healthbars of monsters...its so horrible...and earlier today, 30 Iraiqies died because you...you so stupid, **** n00b!
 
Daemonaz said:
I do however get tired of your pointless argument... once more I say give it up already.. you lost this argument 5 or so pages ago.
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You have complete freedom to not post in this thread...you even have the added advantage of not bumping it.
 
LOLZ n00b, you know dang well itz teh bots that do that! Now yesterday my dog threw up on my pants -- ya my good pair -- and it was totally you legit freak's faultz!!!11 Now I have ta play teh diablo in my boxx0rz, but that's kewl! If I get banned I will just steal another copy from my sister's cuzzin an keep cheating! LOLOLOLOLOL


Lol, do you guys realize we've been frequenting this thread for five freaking days?! Mr. Evil, I'm going to get you for this I swear! ;)

Even Apoc and Doctor Doom couldn't carry on for this long.
 
Usufruct said:
I can't tell you how much I wish Apoc was here in this thread.
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I kind of miss him myself. However, the second Apoc would show up, Doctor Doom would appear five minutes later. Then, after five pages of flaming, the thread would get locked.

Fortunately, I think this thread is finally done and it never even got locked. A milestone! :thumbsup:

EDIT: Of course, Apoc may not be here with us in person, but I have heard rumors that he still lurks these boards. If so, I'm sure he has been watching over this thread.

If you happen to be out there Apoc, we miss you. :howdy:
 
A couple of guys that were well known around here about a year or so back. Doctor Doom was a maphack supporter. Apoc (short for Apocolypse_Demon) was on the opposite side. Everytime a maphack thread would pop up, these two guys would bicker with each other for a half dozen pages until the thread was locked.

Apoc got banned sometime back. I'm not sure why -- I guess I missed out on one heck of a flamewar. Doctor Doom disappeared shortly thereafter and hasn't been heard from for quite some time.

Apoc is still out and about; he's a mod over at the Phrozen Keep.
 
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