I don't cast ww, I have it hot keyed to my right mouse button, I hold it down and just go nonstop around in circles with my mouse, which btw, doesn't require fhr. If I switch between a normal set of boots with no affixes to a magic set with "of speed" I kill much faster.
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I suppose we're splitting hairs at this point, but there definitely is a gap between each whirlwind regardless if cast using RMB or LMB. It's somewhat negligible, but since this thread is getting awfully precise it's worth mentioning. If increased frw works well for you, by all means, but I've always found that reducing frw helps my efficiency since you aren't losing as much time inbetween whirls (since each whirl is taking longer to complete), and have slightly more time to position your mouse in the proper spot for the next whirl, reducing your chance of going too far or not far enough or way off to the side, etc.
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Can we keep it polite and constructive please everyone?
@Jocular I haven’t read properly yet, but a couple of points:
- WW uses durability of course. Blade Fury and Sentinel do not, but Shield does.
- I think you should mention higher end options in the gear like Fury and Zod Bartucs. Sure they may be high end, but they are not unreachable. And I also agree Fury is awesome and a Fools rare is even better.
- I think you should list other armour choices. You mention “ Dragon Flight if you don’t have Enigma” but only Enigma for the armour. Treachery and Duress both work nicely.
@Jocular I haven’t read properly yet, but a couple of points:
- WW uses durability of course. Blade Fury and Sentinel do not, but Shield does.
- I think you should mention higher end options in the gear like Fury and Zod Bartucs. Sure they may be high end, but they are not unreachable. And I also agree Fury is awesome and a Fools rare is even better.
- I think you should list other armour choices. You mention “ Dragon Flight if you don’t have Enigma” but only Enigma for the armour. Treachery and Duress both work nicely.
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I ww in circles, not straight lines. I circle a monster and when it's dead I circle the next monster. In large packs I circle 3-5 monsters at a time. FRW allows me to ww from one dead monster to the next... faster, it also allows me to whirl into a monster faster and whirl away from a monster faster. It also allows me to quickly run up to a pack after getting mana burned and restore the globe with leech, then it allows me to circle the entire pack faster preventing me from get mana burned again.
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What p-setting do you play your WWsin @atomicpunk?
Wouldn't enigma get you between packs even faster, plus reposition of merc so he can cast decrep or provide conviction?
I mean of course higher FRW will improve the total run time on low psetting where the majority of the run is .. running, but why run when you can teleport?
Wouldn't enigma get you between packs even faster, plus reposition of merc so he can cast decrep or provide conviction?
I mean of course higher FRW will improve the total run time on low psetting where the majority of the run is .. running, but why run when you can teleport?
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@atomicpunk Let's say you have two barbarians, one with 0 FRW and the other with 60. Both WW a target monster in tight circles for 10 seconds. The one with less FRW will have cast WW fewer times than the one with FRW since each 'leg' of the circle being whirled takes longer to complete. Less casts of WW>>more time spent actually WW'ing>>more dps.
I could see how having more frw could help spread open wounds around more, however. And for the other reasons you list.
@maxicek Thank you! You're right, the equipment section needs some rewriting. And though I will likely never make since the cost, why is fury so good? Its mods don't seem that much better than Jade or Bartucs, is it the chance to hit/deadly strike/OW?
I could see how having more frw could help spread open wounds around more, however. And for the other reasons you list.
@maxicek Thank you! You're right, the equipment section needs some rewriting. And though I will likely never make since the cost, why is fury so good? Its mods don't seem that much better than Jade or Bartucs, is it the chance to hit/deadly strike/OW?
It's minuscule and not even a factor. With the same damage I'm killing much much faster, exponentially faster. The real factors are that in packs of monsters I'm hitting more monsters faster, and getting to the next pack of monsters at least 60% faster, and by the time the barb with no frw gets there I'll be 4 screens over while having slaughtered everything inbetween, and by the time the slow barb gets 4 screens over I'll be 16 screens away and have killed everything in between. Most single monsters are 1 shots and most champion and uniques require one one circle and they are down. There is no comparison. If you ww baal the more frw you have the less likely he is to mana burn you. Slower run walk also sets you up to take more damage.
I don't use Enigma, and rarely use tp charges, but I do always have a amulet on hand, I also don't like having a lot of mf. I don't use Reapers or any other item that casts curses per hit, I use Life Tap daggers/wands and Sanctuary on switch for their charges, but mostly I use Battle Cry and Taunt, I don't want these being overridden by anything else.What p-setting do you play your WWsin @atomicpunk?
Wouldn't enigma get you between packs even faster, plus reposition of merc so he can cast decrep or provide conviction?
I mean of course higher FRW will improve the total run time on low psetting where the majority of the run is .. running, but why run when you can teleport?
As for a ww sin on single player, I don't have one. I have only 18 characters since leaving bnet a few months ago and 12 of them are barbarians . The only sin I have is a martial arts. Btw, Dragon Flight is a teleport skill that positions the merc were you land, just like sorc tp on Enigma.
Under what circumstances is running from pack to pack even a thing? WW barbs you play for Travincal (map where councils are packed together on the balcony) and baal runs (where the minions are also pretty much confined).
If you don't use neither enigma or MF, you just play "for fun"? Like doing players 1 runs in Blood Moor and Stony Field?
Dragon Flight require free line of sight though, but is an option for sure.
If you don't use neither enigma or MF, you just play "for fun"? Like doing players 1 runs in Blood Moor and Stony Field?
Dragon Flight require free line of sight though, but is an option for sure.
You think grinding hell Chaos, Nilh, WSK 1, 2, 3 and Throne over and over for months on end "just play for fun"? I don't play around in areas that don't give me experience.
And how to get highest exp/h? Enigma and higher p-setting. Study the barbs in the UT99 tournement which link I gave you a few days ago
p8 chaos sounds like a nightmare with all that decrepify going on. But I guess you play it p1?
p8 chaos sounds like a nightmare with all that decrepify going on. But I guess you play it p1?
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I'm running 13-15 minute /players 8 chaos right now with junk gear. and if you know anything about Chaos, decrepify is nothing. When my build is complete my runs will be 8-9 minutes with a ww barb. When I get it complete, join me in a Lan game and you can show me up with your hc ww barb and I'll start paying attention to you.And how to get highest exp/h? Enigma and higher p-setting. Study the barbs in the UT99 tournement which link I gave you a few days ago
p8 chaos sounds like a nightmare with all that decrepify going on. But I guess you play it p1?
I rather watch a video
8-9 mins, that sounds like nice Exp/h count, not if you want higher count, have a look at ResTTe's nila run videos.
So you one shot mobs basically and then move to next pack, and get 13-15 min CS runs... nice
8-9 mins, that sounds like nice Exp/h count, not
if you want higher count, have a look at ResTTe's nila run videos.So you one shot mobs basically and then move to next pack, and get 13-15 min CS runs... nice
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I don't have a youtube account anymore and I don't have obs anymore so when I'm done with my build get your awesome hc enigma ww barb and meet me in a game. We'll do 20 quick runs and compare notes. If not, maybe take a step back and leave me alone for a while. You've trolled me enough in a 6 hour peroiod, far more than I certainly deserve anyway.I rather watch a video
8-9 mins, that sounds like nice Exp/h count, not
I am not saying that I should show you "how its done" but rather that I do not think 15min CS runs is a good way of getting a good exp/h.
You stated that you wanted to become a member here to learn stuff, and I have said where you can get some ideas for getting higher exp/h count on barb. And that is the beauty of a forum, that you can get directed to good ideas even by other members than the one who has written and documented the idea at hand.
It is not even on topic, but clearly the usage of enigma will reduce the need of FRW to get between packs - that is basically true for all builds and is why teleport is so good.
You stated that you wanted to become a member here to learn stuff, and I have said where you can get some ideas for getting higher exp/h count on barb. And that is the beauty of a forum, that you can get directed to good ideas even by other members than the one who has written and documented the idea at hand.
It is not even on topic, but clearly the usage of enigma will reduce the need of FRW to get between packs - that is basically true for all builds and is why teleport is so good.
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@atomicpunk Doesn't decrepify make you run slower, so you already have slow WW when you are decrepified in chaos? If you say that FRW is super nice for WW barb, then why don't you use enigma and some other FRW gear? Actually i don't even know what your gear is, so maybe you can make a write-up about this barb, cause he seems really cool and interesting. I would love to see how you built and geared him, you know some screenshots etc., cause as you said, you don't have YT channel, so no video for us. A thread dedicated to this barb would nice, cause we could ask questions there and maybe learn something. Talking about it in some random threads is not a good idea i think.
P8 chaos runs done in 15 minutes seem like a really awful thing to do and getting to 8/9 minutes per run with top gear doesn't make it better imo. I am not a HC specialist, i am not that much experienced player even, but i think there are better ways to lvl up a barb, if you want to lvl him up of course (I am currently lvl 98,7 on my SC barb if that changes anything).
@Jocular Forgot my manners... Replying to someone without commenting the original post is not the best thing you can do... Your guide is interesting and it can be helpful in the future when i will make a melee assassin. Thanks for making it!
P8 chaos runs done in 15 minutes seem like a really awful thing to do and getting to 8/9 minutes per run with top gear doesn't make it better imo. I am not a HC specialist, i am not that much experienced player even, but i think there are better ways to lvl up a barb, if you want to lvl him up of course (I am currently lvl 98,7 on my SC barb if that changes anything).
@Jocular Forgot my manners... Replying to someone without commenting the original post is not the best thing you can do... Your guide is interesting and it can be helpful in the future when i will make a melee assassin. Thanks for making it!
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A curse that has a 1 in four chance to be cast and is usually nullified by another cast by another OK is nothing. maybe I get slowed down by 20 seconds in 1 complete run. that doesn't bother me in the least. I also tend to take out OKs before the Doom Knights.
As I said earlier, I'm using junk gear on my current ww barb, and on /players 8 my time I'm happy with. I don't rush it, because I play hc. If you want to share how to level a 91.8 hc barbarian with junk gear faster than I am running chaos, nilh, wsk and throne, I'm all ears, but I will not be using Enigma. If that makes me slower than others, so be it. I mean, there is a reason there are 10 99 sc barbs to 1 99 hc barb on the ladders. When I'm fully geared and have reached 97 I'll share, but until then, I got nothing worth talking about with this particular character. My goal though is 99.
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Well, to me running P8 chaos with trash gear on lvl 91 HC barb is probably one of the scariest things to do and spending 15 minutes to do 1 run looks like a waste of time, energy and even some mental health XD There are some basic ideas for untwinked chars that you can find in our untwinked 99ers thread and mostly in 99er compendium thread. I always thought it is better to farm some items and then start the exp grind, but maybe i am wrong and you do it totally different in HC.
Not having enigma will make you slower than others, that's obvious, but you can farm better gear and get way better exp/hour score after that. Not to mention that your survivability will be much better. You say that you don't care about time spent and that's ok, but to me farming exp faster is better, cause you have less moments to die and i think this is the most important thing in HC, right?
I don't know how it looks on bnet, cause i don't play it at all, but i think for some reason that there is a difference between this and playing single player.
That would be nice, but i don't know if you will get to lvl 97 when i am still interested in D2 or you will get there at all with the playstyle you are currently going with. I am worried a little bit and this is why i would like to see something from this char soon. I've seen your post in the newcomer forum, so i probably should not worry, cause you definitely have way better skill and know way more about playing HC barb than me after all those years of playing. Haven't seen any lvl of those barbs you made though...
Don't worry about me. I love running Chaos, Nilh, wsk and Throne. I've been doing it on hc for 16 years, It isn't hard, it just takes time. Keep in mind those minutes I spend in there isn't a chore, it's a lot of fun. Now if I was to tele to the same spot over and over just to kill one monster... I'd lose my mind and quit.
As for the boots, I've started an experiment to see which set works best. Gore gives me 70 cb and gt give me 90 cb. After 10 runs with each I'll see which is best, but so far the slow run speed or the gt is a problem. My individual kills are faster with the gt, but they are not safe while in the fray and cause me run back a screen or two, but even then I can't out run the monsters. Also, without the ability to juke monsters due to the slow run speed, I'm greatly slowed down.
Question: can you repeatedly clear chaos, Nilh, wsks and Throne on /players 8 with a low level hc barb using junk gear? Is it too hard for you and that's why you farm elite gear early in and then just tele to Nilh on the same map over and over - howl and kill him? I haven't looked but I'm getting the impression what you do. Honestly, if it is, you're a way better player than me cause I could never be so repetitive in short games like that. I can't even do more than 5 pit runs in a row. I tried doing 100 LKs today, but I could only do 20. zzzzzzz
I like to be in each game for at least 30 minutes killin' monsters and identifying all the junk that drops, especially all the blues.
Anyway, it's been a pleasure chatting with you, if you have any more tips that I could use as a hc player, by all means please share.
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