Grats D2 for the win!

[AsH-SmurF]

...

I only play Undead and only time I get to use Blood Lust is when I get an Ogre Magi ( Cost 75 mana for him ). Apologies

And proportions... I think me and Anyee means Damage compared to HP's... 800 life 18 damage would translate into 160 damage 3,2 damage. But Zealots with 160 life got 16 damage... ;/

That's the reason why WC3 micro is VERY easy and battles takes a long time...

Why I called her prejudiced and immature was because she stereotyped Koreans by a definition SHE made up without any proof or so. The average Korean BW gamer is 17 years old

The micro isnt really all that much easier considering that your effectivness is relative to your opponents microing... If he micros more, you aint gonna win, so it really doesnt matter much if there are some auto spells to help the slow people to atleast get the spells up. A good player could get the spells up and send two separate groups on separate targets in the same time. But I fail to see whats so attractive about apm games...

 

[wickedWinter]

Ash, I want to bare your children.

 

[memememe173]

up by 2500 atm...I think the online nature of D2 will see it to victory over any non-online game...but once it meets and online game...then it coudl be bad

 

[Painweaver]

up by 2500 atm...I think the online nature of D2 will see it to victory over any non-online game...but once it meets and online game...then it coudl be bad

Dude it did that's why this thread was started when it went up against startcraft 2

 

[Inu]

I think a grunt would translate into a 40hp 2 or 3 damage unit if it was in sc/bw.

The reason for such low damage? Remember, zealots have powered armour, and their weapons, which are psi blades, fearsomely powerful and the result of aeons of research and improvement - they do 8 damage.

For the hp, I'd point to the Marine, who is encased in power armour which provides NBC protection and only has 40 hp

The Psiblades does 16 damage but it's a 2hit strike ( Same as Firebat which does 16 damage too but has a 3 hit strik ) but count as one. Would not mean anything either way since the Zealot attack speed is fast etc.

The Zealots are granted 1 armor but also have 60 shield with 0 armor. The Marines are granted 0 armor and the ABC armor is just for the sake of the story nothing that affects gameplay. So a Grunt would be 160 life, 3,2 damage =C

 

[Inu]

The micro isnt really all that much easier considering that your effectivness is relative to your opponents microing... If he micros more, you aint gonna win, so it really doesnt matter much if there are some auto spells to help the slow people to atleast get the spells up. A good player could get the spells up and send two separate groups on separate targets in the same time. But I fail to see whats so attractive about apm games...

It's true that the better person will win but the micro itself is much easier than in BW. In BW you have to have such fast fingers and such good reflexes it's not possible without years of practise. In TFT that's not the case.

The attractiveness about RTS games is the... Fun... Gaming... Hö...Hö...Hö...Snarg~

 

[Inu]

Inu get a day job...I don't think this is worth the amount of effort you appear to be putting into it.

And as Flux said the post from the gamespot admin appears to close this case...for all sensible people.

A day job... Not a bad idea but here you won't get a job without knowing someone which I don't. And I don't think I could handle both school and a job...

And it's not really about the D2 cheat blah anymore :O

 

[Æ’enris]

All I have to say is

ROFL GG PWNTZOR NUB STOP PLAYING FASTEST MAP AND VOTE KEKEKEKEKE LOL OWNS HAHAHA​

 

[Hells]

Take a look at the halo vs half-life thing. It will prove to all you can indeed cheat the system..

 

[AFBrat]

Yep, not only is Halo obviously cheating, but Half-life should be winning, if a D2 fan screwed this up, I'm ashamed to be associated with D2. A D2 fan would more likely want Halo anyhow, since its less of a threat to beat D2 than HL is.

If I was Gamespy management I'd be quite pissed off, they took a fun contest and just screwed it up. I now believe for the first time that Starcraft fans had a valid point. Ridiculous :rant: :rant:

 

[Anidem]

Guess it kinda sux to have opened the old pie-hole about declaring Half-Life a vengeful champ only to get wiped up by Halo.

By the way. I didn't hear ne1 complaining about cheating when James Bond went gonzo in the voting comining in on a extra life.

 

[Anyee]

As much as I would have loved to continue the argument (and I can and would normally), I think I've reached my limit. You have mentioned how superior Koreans are to Americans in at least three posts, yet dare I mention the word Korean as an adjective, I'm a racist? How is calling someone a fourteen year old Korean kid racist? Bust out a dictionary and look up racist before going around making unfounded accusations. I'm jealous because of what? I'm not a pro at playing a game? I'm not Korean? I'm not "winning" an argument over two video games on an online forum? What am I jealous of, Inu? Here's a thought: you're annoyed because I'm not bending over to worship your opinions and generally thinking for myself. Dear god, anything but that!

I'm glad that someone can make millions playing games. Most people, even most Koreans (there I go again being racist! ) will not. I may make millions, but that's because I'll have worked for it. I'm not jealous of their lifestyle, and I say that without irony. I lived with computer gamers for a long time, and computer programmers as well. Many are out making four or five times what I do. I have chosen to go into academia. I have chosen to get a PhD instead of looking for a nice corporate job. Why should I envy something I don't want?

I've never thought of you as anything but a thorn in the side of the moderators. Now you're race baiting. Lovely.

 

[Ryshenron]

As much as I would have loved to continue the argument (and I can and would normally), I think I've reached my limit. You have mentioned how superior Koreans are to Americans in at least three posts, yet dare I mention the word Korean as an adjective, I'm a racist? How is calling someone a fourteen year old Korean kid racist? Bust out a dictionary and look up racist before going around making unfounded accusations. I'm jealous because of what? I'm not a pro at playing a game? I'm not Korean? I'm not "winning" an argument over two video games on an online forum? What am I jealous of, Inu? Here's a thought: you're annoyed because I'm not bending over to worship your opinions and generally thinking for myself. Dear god, anything but that!

I'm glad that someone can make millions playing games. Most people, even most Koreans (there I go again being racist! ) will not. I may make millions, but that's because I'll have worked for it. I'm not jealous of their lifestyle, and I say that without irony. I lived with computer gamers for a long time, and computer programmers as well. Many are out making four or five times what I do. I have chosen to go into academia. I have chosen to get a PhD instead of looking for a nice corporate job. Why should I envy something I don't want?

I've never thought of you as anything but a thorn in the side of the moderators. Now you're race baiting. Lovely.

damn..u tell him, he just got his *** handed to him on a stick

but, who cares, it was only a stupid contest..not like they were cheated out of an actual award or anything

 

[IDupedInMyPants]

Grunts: 700 life, 18 damage. Heavy tier 1. Comparable to Zealot: 160 life 16 damage - NOT proportional.

Ghoul: 330 life, 16 damage. Light tier 1. Comparable to Zergling: 35 life 5 damage - NOT proportional.

Archer: 240 life, 18? damage. Light tier 1 range. Comparable to Marine: 40 life 6 damage - NOT proportional.

Proportional has to take into account a lot of things, such as cost to build each unit being compared, time to build each unit being compared, amount of tech to build each unit being compared, cost of tech to build each unit being compared, other benefits of having that tech in place, percentage of maximum supply/food consumed by each unit being compared, and special abilities of each unit being compared. You can't just do a straight damage per hit point comparison and say "GAME NOT PROPORTIONAL."

Comparing two units from similar games or even the same game is impossible to do just based on two attributes that not all units even have. Comparing two games is a lot more than a two faceted affair.

 

[Æ’enris]

Oh come on.
We all know warcrap is starcraft with better graphics and units with huge life, intended to make battles funner, but losing anything good from starcraft.

 

[MixedVariety]

Ash, I want to bare your children.

You are one sick pup for wishing to remove childrens' clothing. Please have yourself delivered to the nearest prison.

 

[Unsane]

Blue text doesn't go with a reddish background. The text gets all blurred.

(had to say something before this thread gets locked.. :uhhuh: )

 

[SHouston]

So it begins again!! Because of the recent botting accusations GameSpy is redoing both the Zelda vs Diablo and Half-Life vs Halo. Now you must log in with a GameSpy ID to vote.

http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0403.shtmlhttp://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0404.shtml

 

[IDupedInMyPants]

That sounds like Gamespy's lending some credibility to the allegations.

 

[The Mad Monk]

Considering the vote totals reached on both sides, if there is botting, it is A) just now, and B) done by both sides.