Grats D2 for the win!

[Anyee]

Prejudice is not the same as racist

I called you prejudice since you used the term "14 year old Korean" as a general statement. Not "I've played and lost to one 14 year old Korean, 2 27 year old Koreans, 3 16 year old Koreans blah blah..".

I could not care less if you're jealous or not but it was immature to put it like you did, very condescending, like all progamer Koreans would be 14 years old

You thought of me as a thorn in the side, great, but I've still countered all your argument and got my message through with facts - Broodwar is ALOT harder to master than Warcraft 3.

Oh, I'm prejudiced because I used a descriptive term? Your grasp of the English language is slipping, Inu. Go and look up the word prejudice "child," (as you so entertainingly insulted both myself and other poster) before engaging me in a battle of semantics. Go look up auxiliary while you're at it. The only message we've all gotten is that when you don't get your way, you resort to name calling and race baiting. I think that message has gotten through loud and clear, looking at the posts that followed mine.

You are the one talking about "Mastering" the game. I said "to play." I asked my VIETNAMESE (ooo! I'm being teh racist!!!one!111), KOREAN, JAPANESE, JEWISH, ECUADORIAN/SWEDISH, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, and GENERIC ATHEIST WHITE BOY friends what they thought about BW vs TFT. The consensus was that TFT was harder to play. Not master. So, I win, since I have more people or something.

And what the heck is this extreme pride in mastering a video game? Is it even on the same scale as being an actor, or even world-champion MTG player (which one of my friends is)? You are mastering something that is done for fun and enjoyment. I'd be more impressed if that same guy mastered the art of tetrad dissection or flawless canula insertion. You know, useful skills. At the end of the day, a highly paid gamer is just someone very good at moving a mouse and watching pixels, not someone who can think well or someone who will ever make a contribution to real life beyond games. Sad. I'll take a mediocre gamer who will change the world any day.

As much as I'd love to engage further in this battle of wits, or whatever, I think I'm going to hit the report post button a few times and go on my merry way.

 

[Æ’enris]

Prejudiced is judging someone different because of their beliefs or appearance before you know them.
Auxiliary is reserve or support stuff.
Just thought I would help your little flame war :thumbsup:

 

[memememe173]

Prejudiced is judging someone different because of their beliefs or appearance before you know them.
Auxiliary is reserve or support stuff.
Just thought I would help your little flame war :thumbsup:

sticking to what you know :thumbsup: :lol:

 

[Inu]

Whenever I'm in an argument, be it classroom, forum, friends. Be it about BW, hip-hop etc I'm always equally into it. Guess it's just a personality flaw ( Got a basket full of them, want some? )

Anyway the whole prejudice thing started because I read your post like this: I mentioned Koreans being Gods at BW. You said "Blah blah I get beaten by a 14 year old Korean blah blah". Hence to the context I understood it as you were mocking Koreans and trying to set the general age to being mere childs blah etc -.-

Now you say I'm prejudice because I say that Koreans are best at BW. Damnit -_- Koreans got teams, coaches, BW school etc... No other country take it was seroiusly and yet no one from other than Korea has EVER come close to matching the skills of BoxeR, Yell0w, GARIMTO etc... That's a fact. Unless there is a hidden NOR-1 user roaming the realms playing a game, switching acc, playing another and avoiding every kind of attention. I doubt it...

You say they don't think? They're just good at watching pixels and moving the mouse. Well the top players always use their brain to predict moves, be original and succeed. If you shut your brain off you'd just not function. Try to play chess without thinking -_-

Reason I called you child was because of your horrible ways of denying facts and still think "I'm right no matter what! HAH!" =( I'm one of those who believe age is in the mind, not just the body...

Now let's see an Auxiliary argument ._.

EDIT: And hey, I'm sorry if my English is not good enough =((((

 

[Inu]

By the way, so far I've never been banned from these forums ( Although I was extremely close once ), and not, my previous nick was not Inuyasha. I've only used "Inu" on these forums.

Also, I've not seen any large flaming here, just disagreement...

 

[Lightning Peon Poo]

There have NEVER EVER been a non-Korean worldchampion in BW. There is NO SINGLE non-Korean who have the skills to match the creme.

What?
2003 WCG champion (Boxer) was undefeated in the finals until he faced Froz! (American) who beat him twice.

WCG 2003 for BW 1on1
2nd place went to a German
3rd place went to French-Canadian Guillaume Patry (aka Grrr…) ..... And I'm pretty sure Patry also got FIRST place in WCG broodwar 1v1 once. (I forget which year... 2000? 1999?.... well in 2000 it was called WCGChallenge right?) Either way, I can't find brackets for those years. Anyway, here's an old article on him from a few ears ago:

X’Ds~Grrrr… is perhaps the most widely recognized and respected Starcraft gamer today. He has won countless tournaments and international recognition for outstanding performance, and is currently a sponsored professional gamer in Korea. Since Guillaume moved to South Korea in early 2000, he has won all but one of the most prestigious tournaments he has participated in. Over the last two years he has earned over 100,000 US$ from participating in tournaments, making him the most successful professional gamer ever.

Again, keep in mind that's from an article that's a few years old.

WCG 2003 for BW nation vs nation
silver medal: Kazakhstan (which also got 2nd in WCG 2002 nation vs nation)

WCG 2001
Frenchman Bertrand Grospellier (Elky) won 2nd place BW 1v1.
China won FIRST place BW nation vs nation

 

[Inu]

FroZ beat BoxeR? Could you fetch a link or something because I have a hard time believing it... BoxeR was 48-0 on WGT while FroZ was like 200-150 ^_^ Watch some replays of them and you'll see the extreme difference in skill...

Grrr lives in Korea
ElkY lives in Korea

 

[ROMVS]

FroZ beat BoxeR? Could you fetch a link or something because I have a hard time believing it... BoxeR was 48-0 on WGT while FroZ was like 200-150 ^_^ Watch some replays of them and you'll see the extreme difference in skill...

Grrr lives in Korea
ElkY lives in Korea

Grrr may live in Korea but where did he learn his skills to begin with? Also, unless he took up Korean citizenship, I don't think he's classified as one. I could be wrong...

 

[Inu]

No, of course you're right. I was wrong by saying there have never been any non-Korean champion. But I still stand where I stand. Korea is THE Broodwar centre. ElkY for example have played every good player on TV. He's played them everywhere but his stats vs BoxeR? Last time I read on the counted games BoxeR had 4 times the wins ElkY had. vs ChoJJa about 85-39. And the rest I can't remember but ElkY never had over half the wins vs the cream of the Koreans. This, of course was quite some time ago but there has not been any hype around ElkY lately and he's not making much noise so I doubt he evened the scores out. Don't have statistics for other players since it was a topic about ElkY's progress only...

The things I know is that in Korea players sign up for a team and get a legal binding contract, often move to a "guild house" where they live, eat, and practise. By legal bonds they have to practise 8 or more hours per day ( Progamer = Professional gamer, think of it as a regular 9-17 job ). Many players are so devoted that they play even more, skip parties, skip girls and only focuses on the gaming ( I can give a link to an interview with the leader of P.O.S but that is against the rules *sigh* ;/ ). I've yet to see this anywhere else in the world... Broodwar is huge in Korea. When you see televised shows you can see old ladies and men in the audience, cute chicks cheering etc...

Oh God now I be getting off the subject. Anyway, that's a big reason why Korea is way above everyone else in BW...

 

[AFBrat]

Oh those Koreans....man they were annoying when D2 first came out and they were flooding the U.S. servers with their Korean language. Thank God they got another Asia server. Many of them would just come in the game, start trouble, then leave. Very annoying.

Nah, I'm not racist, I just had a hard time trying to talk with a group of adventurers to co-op when they didn't speak English. That, and a Korean stole my imbued Sharktooth armor when it fell to the ground because my inventory was full . That was a couple weeks after D2 came out and I was still a newbie back then. He and I adventured together all thru Act 1 to The Smith, and he waits at Charsi knowing I was imbuing. He grabbed the armor and left the game. Rubbed me the wrong way, especially since we were very friendly the whole time.

Lol, looking back at it, I was upset over imbued Sharktooth armor? Boy, I was a newbie then! I never got to see what the new stats were, oh well.

 

[Lightning Peon Poo]

Sorry it was 2002 WCG.
link for 2002 BW WCG brackets:
http://www.sclegacy.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=140&page=2

gonia119_kr = boxer
he lost to Froz! in group D
Not sure if that match was best 2/3.
I just remember that Froz beat boxer twice in WCG. (they had an article on it)
This link gives reference:
http://www.sclegacy.com/article.php?sid=1373

Also, WCG conducted a very short interview with Froz concerning his dual triumphs over SlayerS_'BoxeR'. You can read that here.

But I can't find the interview on the WCG site anymore.

 

[Inu]

Wow that amazes me. Would love those replays... But wow... FroZ beat BoxeR... Nowadays FroZ is many many miles behind BoxeR...

 

[Lightning Peon Poo]

I heard something about boxer going to do a few years of mandatory military service and then not return to game professionally after. Not sure if that's true/how much time he has left.

 

[Night]

sometime around the end of this year he is enlisting, iirc. (EDIT: he said he isn't going to be playing SC anymore when he's done with the military)

Froz used to be very good back when, but not anymore (he doesn't even play anymore, and hasn't for a long time except for a few exceptions).

 

[Lightning Peon Poo]

I played with Froz on FSGS (free standard game server) way back in the day (while he was still unknown player).
And I used to game with CCC on FSGS too (he's been champion of Panama a few years in a row now). It's too bad Blizzard forced FSGS to close (which in effect, caused me to quit BW). It was such a nice server. I remember being 930+/40-/20- (now with all the hacks/bots that record means nothing, but back then... on that server, it was something). Well actually it just meant that I played a lot of stacked games
CCC and I used to be pretty much unbeatable 2v2. Damn you all... got me thinking about BW again. All the old people I don't talk to anymore/ lost touch with after FSGS closed. Very sad...
I played that game 18 hours a day for about 1.5 years (team games only, I never played 1on1s).
Starcraft will always have a special place in my heart. D2 I have no passion for. But I do have many fond memories for D1.
What was this thread about again? Warcraft 3? ahhh... it has a great campaign.... and great use map settings games. But its multiplayer just doesn't compare to the thrill of BW.

 

[Inu]

Military service... In Sweden you can chose if you want to or not and you can chose 9, 12 or 15 months... But in South Korea... 2,5 friggin YEARS! No ands, ifs or buts :/

BW is a very great game. But in all honesty D2 has got me more. I remember back in the summer 2000... Exploring the vast Arcane Sanctuary saying "This place is so random and SO LARGE!"... Haha... Every song I hear now that I listened to then brings me memories and nostalgia... =( BW was for me a totally different type of game. I used to play loads of teamgames too on regular Starcraft... 2v2@HunTZ..!! Waaah =( Now I get all sad... The last years for me on the BW scene was just seriousness... Clanmanaging, WGT admining etc... Oh well ;(

Lightning Peon, perhaps you want to play a few games with/vs me for fun? Was a while since I quit BW though

 

[Lightning Peon Poo]

Lightning Peon, perhaps you want to play a few games with/vs me for fun? Was a while since I quit BW though

I've been so busy with university. Don't wanna risk getting addicted to a game right now
But I should have a lot more free time in a month. I'll let you know when I start playing again.