Grats D2 for the win!

Anti-Flagger13 said:
I still think that most of the zelda voters are the anti-D2 people. Not very fair.
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Isn't it great though? Even with anti-D2 people and actual Link players, D2 is still winning at the moment. =)
 
shutupdangit said:
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Edit: Um.. wait a second... I voted earlier today, and I tried to vote again for d2 just now, and it said accepted?!? What's up with THAT??
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That would be because someone else voted at the same time. if you refresh the page over a few minutes you'll see the vote going up anyway.

BTW D2 is now 1000 votes ahead of the ANTI-D2 group. It's no longer title vs title, its D2 vs THE LOSERS + title :P
 
Anyee said:
Yep, I've had two barracks full of marines and bats wiped out by a few zealots frequently enough to know what they can do. Quite fast? Not fast enough more like it. Damage and life are proprotional in SC too, you know.

Let's talk autocast for a moment. What can autocast in TFT vs BW:
1) Heal, but so can medics
2) Bloodlust...okay, so you can't autocast stim, but you can stim all 12 at once, which isn't possible in TFT unless you have 12 shamans and that's a waste of supply.
3) Curse/slow/cure stats/spell break. On the one hand, yes its nice that they are autocast. On the other hand, there's nothing similar in BW, so we're comparing apples to empty bowls. You can't complain that there's no auto-status-change casting in BW because the only stats i know of are parasite (queen), parasite (devourer), and blind.
4) Major spells: AOEs, wards, helping animals, etc are all non-autocast. Their analogs in BW are nonexistant or also non-autocast. Psistorm couldn't be autocast even if you wanted it to, since it uses at best 1/5 of the total energy of the templart. Ditto for mind control, maelstrom, parasite, etc.

So as nice as it is that things can autocast in TFT, what's being autocast is totally auxilliary to gameplay and nonexistant in BW. If one had it and one didn't, that would be an issue.



Their AI is stupid. They are the unit in BW that "stop" and "hold position" are meaningless. I lose them constantly when they wander off though I tell them not to.



And you have 1/2 the viable units to do it with, fewer if you're using the heavy hitters. Hotkeys are your friends. I can maneuver 50 units in SC easier than I can maneuver 20 in TFT.



How I game at all? Well, my worth as a person is not wrapped up in my ability to trounce 14 year old Korean kids at a video game. Therefore, I'm not a serious player and it doesn't matter to me how I do. Still, if I want an easy game, I do BW and if I want a harder one, I do TFT. Period.
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See, here your lack of knowledge plays in. Damage/HP's are NOT proportional. For example.

Grunts: 700 life, 18 damage. Heavy tier 1. Comparable to Zealot: 160 life 16 damage - NOT proportional.

Ghoul: 330 life, 16 damage. Light tier 1. Comparable to Zergling: 35 life 5 damage - NOT proportional.

Archer: 240 life, 18? damage. Light tier 1 range. Comparable to Marine: 40 life 6 damage - NOT proportional.

TFT units have HUGE HP's and LOW damage. In BW units have LOW-LOW-LOW HP's and HIGH damage in comparison.

What balances it out would be the spells that deal tons of damage, right? Yeah well we got Psionic Storm, Plague blah blah etc etc...

And BW spells that could make autocasters? Lockdown, Parasite, Ensnare ( Semi ), Defensive Matrix, Irradiate, EMP shockwave ( Semi ), Maelstrom ( Semi ) etc... But we only have heal as autocast... The "Stimming" can be a good thing as well as a bad thing but it works like BW always do. You use Psionic Storm with 12 Temps all of them cast. You use another spell with another unit all of them would cast. The mana is not the case of autocast. You can autocast Bloodlust ( 75 mana ) with a 1 grade Shaman with 300 mana so...

You'll have to explain the word auxilliary for me :O My English is very limited.

And Goons AI is not bad at all. It's just the fact that they're big with good range. Tanks works in the EXACT same way :)

½ viable units to do with? What do you mean? Progamers use exactly all units in the game. And handling 50 units in BW is easier than handling 20 units in TFT? How? 20 units = 1 and 2 as hotkeys. 50 units = 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 as hotkeys. AND then microing the individual units which is where your argument falls flat on it's face... ;/

"How I game at all? Well, my worth as a person is not wrapped up in my ability to trounce 14 year old Korean kids at a video game"

You prejudice immature girl... There is not ONE SINGLE Korean progamer under 17. You sound more and more jealous because now you're pulling crap out of your *** =( And just to add, these Korean progamers make more money than most of us on this forum will ever make.

Anyway, please try not to use arguments which are not true because that kinda defeats my image of you being rather bright.
 
I expected D2 to win this match, but I don't think it can beat Half-Life. Though I think some of the vote for Zelda is Starcraft backlash, give the game credit, the Zelda fans turned up because they knew this would be their first tough match (after all, OoT was the #1 seed in its division, and a great game to boot). Some of the Starcraft people voted for D2 (a vote for Blizzard in general) also I'm sure.
 
What are you talking about? BW/SC unit values are proportional to the context of that game. Archers fire arrows, Marines fire super-sonic, armour piercing "bullets". Would it be more "proportional" if Marines had 400 HP and did 60 damage?

"You prejudice immature girl..." Sounds like someone needs a hug!

Lastly, how sure are you that BL is an adept spell that costs 75 mana? I thought it needed Master training and cost 40 mana. :)
 
kaervek666 said:
BTW D2 is now 1000 votes ahead of the ANTI-D2 group. It's no longer title vs title, its D2 vs THE LOSERS + title :P
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It's not the ANTI-D2 group...it's more the AVENGE THE UNFAIR LOSS OF BW Group. I mean if I was anti-D2 I sure wouldn't have had the #1 sin on EHCL for a couple months >_<
BW weren't the losers, we were just stuck in the unfair path of this stupidly massive fansite community... purediablo.com is nothing but one big hack to make BW lose I say!!
 
looks like today we have Half-life vs Halo, should be a helluva matchup, I think Half-life will win, but Halo being the fresher game in peoples minds...who knows. I wonder where UT's fans loyalties lie in that match, after all UT had over 10K vote in a losing effort last week, but I don't think they were bitter about losing to HL.

should be D2 vs Half-Life in the semi-finals, could be the best match in the tournament, both sides may have over 12K votes each.
 
I would agree with you, but that ">_<" thing just... urg. Now I'm wondering if you're not trying to make D2 look the best, maybe you got some money riding on this!

It dosn't matter if HL or Halo win, whoever wins Match 62 will be going up against freaking Doom.
 
Inu, I don't see where Anyee mentioned anything about 14 year old programmers or what salary they pull. She said that she doesn't qualify herself on beating 14 year old Korean players. I think you owe Anyee an apology for calling her those things, not that I imagine she cares whether you do or not. She gave that example because the Korean gaming community is very large and most people know that.
 
Deathwing said:
What are you talking about? BW/SC unit values are proportional to the context of that game. Archers fire arrows, Marines fire super-sonic, armour piercing "bullets". Would it be more "proportional" if Marines had 400 HP and did 60 damage?

"You prejudice immature girl..." Sounds like someone needs a hug!

Lastly, how sure are you that BL is an adept spell that costs 75 mana? I thought it needed Master training and cost 40 mana. :)
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I only play Undead and only time I get to use Blood Lust is when I get an Ogre Magi ( Cost 75 mana for him ). Apologies :P

And proportions... I think me and Anyee means Damage compared to HP's... 800 life 18 damage would translate into 160 damage 3,2 damage. But Zealots with 160 life got 16 damage... ;/

That's the reason why WC3 micro is VERY easy and battles takes a long time...

Why I called her prejudiced and immature was because she stereotyped Koreans by a definition SHE made up without any proof or so. The average Korean BW gamer is 17 years old :p
 
Inu said:
Progamer, not programmer. I think you owe me an apology.
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I don't feel all that sorry. I assumed that was a misspelling. Regardless, you accused someone of being a racist, which she is certainly not, and without cause or adequate reason. So no, I won't give you an apology.
 
I think a grunt would translate into a 40hp 2 or 3 damage unit if it was in sc/bw.

The reason for such low damage? Remember, zealots have powered armour, and their weapons, which are psi blades, fearsomely powerful and the result of aeons of research and improvement - they do 8 damage.

For the hp, I'd point to the Marine, who is encased in power armour which provides NBC protection and only has 40 hp
 
psyadam said:
Isn't that the definition of quality?
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Certainly not. I may have seen the movie Starship Troopers a billion times, and every now and then still get a kick out of watching it, but it certainly isn't a quality movie... hell, its not even a quality action movie.
 
Inu get a day job...I don't think this is worth the amount of effort you appear to be putting into it.

And as Flux said the post from the gamespot admin appears to close this case...for all sensible people.
 
Ash Housewares said:
D2 is a rolling juggernaut that cannot be stopped, the seas shall run red with the blood of our enemies!!!
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Best sig-avatar combination ever.

Uhhh... "Sorry! The administrator has specified that users can only post one message every 60 seconds."

Actually, I'm sorry, I haven't posted in five minutes.
 
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