Grats D2 for the win!

Sanna said:
Perhaps because it's a ridiculous claim =) You're being sarcastic, right? Please tell me you are =)
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Although rediculously put, the claim itself is a very valid one. The "skill" involved in FPS games plays a much larger role in winning. In D2, "skill" can be made up with superior equipment. Such a skill-gap can't be closed in something like CS or Unreal.

I'm not saying that the best D2 PvPers are not skillful. I'm saying that skill isn't such a large factor in D2 as in other games such as FPS and RTS games.
 
Try again! Without another Blizzard rep. Diablo2 will bring over Many SC fans to its cause. Except mabye those stupid Zerg, but, what good can you say about insectoids spawned in slime pools! Well, then again, at least there not French!
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I don't agree, if people have played both Half-Life and D2, I think Half-life is gonna win over quite a few D2 fans, Half-life's fans won't jump to D2, to them D2 is nothing but a clickfest, whereas Half-Life is widely regarded as the best PC game ever. Some Starcraft fans will switch to D2, but I think many will say, heh wait Starcraft is better than D2 (in their opinion), and so is Half-Life, Half-Life will get the vote. I've voted for both D2 and Starcraft here and there if I've played the game its up against, but having played D2 and Half-Life, gotta go with Half-Life in that battle if it comes to pass (Halo could beat HL in a stunning upset, mostly because Halo is a fresher game in peoples minds). I don't see Zelda beating D2. Trust me, I'd hate to see D2 lose anywhere, D1 was my very first PC game I ever got, way back in '96. If you've ever played HL though, its just such a damn well designed game.

Looks like Doom/Mario Kart battle started, cast my vote, and no, it most definitely wasn't for Mario Kart ;)
 
I agree that there's a gap when the players' equiment is uneven, but that is not always the case. A good but poor player can also beat a player with perfect equipment who isn't as good. So it's not that simple, and in fact when you contemplate the very good D2 pvpers, skill plays a major, indeed a deciding, factor.

D2 pvp is a combination of skill, equipment *and* the right build, while fps games only have one of the three. They're in different categories, and to claim what the original poster did, is indeed not only ridiculous, but faulty.

Public dueling games are a joke, and very few good players ever go there. You really need leagues with actual rules that try to set the ground for even matches. That is also where fps games differ, as you can just go out and shoot without bothering about rules.

I am sure any top D2 dueler will beat any beginning dueler that came from an fps he or she was very good at, even if the newcomer has better equipment - as long as both play by the same legitimate rules. Some people have a hunch for fps, others have it for D2 pvp (others for both, some for neither).
 
... In D2 PvP you can become a "skilled" dueler by practising for an hour. In BW you need YEARS of practise to just become semi-good...

The skill required for D2 league PvP is not even one thousand of BW...
 
Inu said:
... In D2 PvP you can become a "skilled" dueler by practising for an hour. In BW you need YEARS of practise to just become semi-good...

The skill required for D2 league PvP is not even one thousand of BW...
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In D2 you can also become a skilled dueler by spending an hour on eBay. I stand by my claim and apparently others agree also.

besides the French and the Zerg are there any lower life forms than the eBay stocked HC PK?
 
Sanna said:
I agree that there's a gap when the players' equiment is uneven, but that is not always the case. A good but poor player can also beat a player with perfect equipment who isn't as good. So it's not that simple, and in fact when you contemplate the very good D2 pvpers, skill plays a major, indeed a deciding, factor.

D2 pvp is a combination of skill, equipment *and* the right build, while fps games only have one of the three. They're in different categories, and to claim what the original poster did, is indeed not only ridiculous, but faulty.
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If you really don't believe that Dueling is 80% equip then your a fool. the rest is 10% lagg related and 10% Cat Jumped on the Fukin Keyboard related.

The duck and dodge skills needed to duel are on par with Space Invaders. I'm not Anti-duelin but be real, It is what it is, a sidetrack thrown in by bliz that can be verry amusing.
 
To steer it back on topic, i suggest we flip a coin next time. Although i think the sc community might accuse d2ers of a fliphack, then.

Ahh blerch...i cant help it.

SC and d2 take a lot of time to be good at, just in different respects. Takes alot of time in sc to become good at all the different strageties of one race, as in being able to execute them perfectly and quickly.

Takes alot of time in d2 to amass the ubah equipment and level the character to 85-90 with the correct skill points.

Becoming good, inu, is too vague to specifiy anything. Equipment you find in only one hour wont be enough to pk rakinushu.

Oops edit: comparing a FPS and a isometric rpg is like comparing martha stewart and micheal jackson. There isnt any parallels to draw upon.
 
Inu said:
Finding/having good eq is not "skill"...
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Then what is skill. Putting points into skills and its synergies? Being masterful with pushing the hotkeys and the mouse button? Equipment? What? I can play d2 for 0 hours and still be capable of doing everything i do with d2. I can push the function keys, i can click the mouse.
 
I'm the one saying that D2 barely has any skill whatsoever :P

The only bit of skill in D2 I've encountered was when I was a duel Sorc in 1.06. Static and Orb vs Guided arrow Amazons. You had to time and react and teleport precisely... Took about an hour to get good at it..
 
Inu said:
Brood War is MORE POPULAR THAN WC3/TFT! There are, at any given time, more BW users logged onto B.Net than WC3.
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Gee, that couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that Brood War has been around for the better part of five years and builds on a game that's been around for maybe eight years, thus having the time to gain a massive fan base and corporate backing while TFT has only been out a year and W3 less than three. That TFT is harder overall than SC (and I've played a LOT of both) has nothing to do with its not having as much support. No, of course not. The two are equal in all ways, including strategy and gameplay. What an entertaining fantasy world you live in.

Also, Inu, you're basing all these accusations around a word...a very dubious word.

It's a lazy excuse. This is probably how it goes: they didn't log singular votes to "save database space", o*nly logged the total. They though it was safe, but deleting the cookies bypassed the mechanism. They won't admit it and since they have a schedule for the votes, they preferred to shut down the case quietly instead of repeating the vote which would mess up their voting schedule up.
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Unless your source has access to the code of Gamespy and their database records, that probably is as valid as my saying that I'm probably going to win the election. What he does with his website and what a professional company does with its website may or may not be the same thing. He can't make that assumption, not in this arena. The technology used to run websites is too intricate to apply a blanket notion to everything from a geocities to slashdot.

And I've heard you mention this mythical website that never has any problems, costs only 10 dollars to run, and has 100,000 members on a regular basis. Show me, Inu. It sounds like a load of crap.
 
All I know is DOOM kicked Mario Kart's butt!!! Good riddance!

...but I'm concerned that Doom is actually gonna lose to SMB3 (after it beats Civ 3), almost 5,000 people actually voted for Kart over Doom, thats distressing, well, lol, not really, but dissapointing.

As far as you Starcraft fans (I'm a fan of both games), take consolation that Starcraft won the runner-up challenge against some damn good games, and also that D2 will finally lose when it plays Half-Life in the semi-finals.
 
I think D2 will get to the finals, just based on two factors: it's the only Blizz title left, and it has a huge web stretching out...
 
Inu said:
... In D2 PvP you can become a "skilled" dueler by practising for an hour. In BW you need YEARS of practise to just become semi-good...

The skill required for D2 league PvP is not even one thousand of BW...
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I just wonder if you realize how very rude and condescending you are being ... and in our forums.

Just a thought that you might consider as you are visiting here : It is never polite to piss in your host's soup.
 
AFBrat said:
All I know is DOOM kicked Mario Kart's butt!!! Good riddance!

...but I'm concerned that Doom is actually gonna lose to SMB3 (after it beats Civ 3), almost 5,000 people actually voted for Kart over Doom, thats distressing, well, lol, not really, but dissapointing.

As far as you Starcraft fans (I'm a fan of both games), take consolation that Starcraft won the runner-up challenge against some damn good games, and also that D2 will finally lose when it plays Half-Life in the semi-finals.
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there were some sick and twisted mario kart people screwing with the vote

MK 64 was not a good game, the snes version was way better, the n64 one was unbalanced and horribly irritating, yet somehow it beat punchout and a bunch of other far superior games, so don't worry about its showing against diablo, there were just some hopped up mario kart loonies
 
yes double dash is fun...

I can't believe that this thread has so many posts. They're video games, you people act like this is the presidential election or something, its not that important.
 
nah, not important, but its just fun having bragging rights and making predictions just like in the real March Marchness with College Basketball in the U.S.

Oh yeah, I predict Doom vs Half-Life in the finals, Half-Life will win it all.
 
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