Grats D2 for the win!

I think in terms of purely how many people voted for Diablo II and SC on the titlefight, the voting was legit or fairly close to legit, so yes Diablo II did win the Titlefight legitimately (I voted Starcraft by the way... heh and I have 1600 posts on a diablo 2 fansite...)

However, the vote itself wasn't inherently fair, although nothing could have really been done about it...

Reason? In Europe and North America it's probably fairly close in terms of Diablo and Starcraft.... (hence the very very close victory by Diablo 2), but if more asia players had known about this, I'm almost positive Starcraft would have slaughtered Diablo II.... diablo 2 isn't all that popular compared to starcraft in asia...
 
All this is is the SC fanboys are upset they lost so they have to accuse others of cheating to win. Wahh wahh wahh, stop getting upset over a game and get a life.

That's right, I went there.
 
but they don´t have a security measures to prevent dynamic ip voting.

It's a lazy excuse. This is probably how it goes: they didn't log singular votes to "save database space", only logged the total. They though it was safe, but deleting the cookies bypassed the mechanism. They won't admit it and since they have a schedule for the votes, they preferred to shut down the case quietly instead of repeating the vote which would mess up their voting schedule up.

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ch33s3 m4st3r said:
All this is is the SC fanboys are upset they lost so they have to accuse others of cheating to win. Wahh wahh wahh, stop getting upset over a game and get a life.

That's right, I went there.
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Make that "accuse with proof".

If you don't read what's written do not interfere. Get me? Got me! Good!
 
Inu said:
Make that "accuse with proof".

If you don't read what's written do not interfere. Get me? Got me! Good!
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Yes, i'm not going to bother reading all this because I don't care, and I felt like posting my opinion. Cry about it more, that always helps things.
 
the TRUTH...

The bot votes were cubed, so they appeared completely legitimate. Now they can never be tracked down and eliminated.
:(
 
Inu said:
Jug, did you not see the code on b********ers? The bot did in fact work and several people used it ;/ That's the proof. Check WGT for more reference and proof. The biggest BW sites in the world now boycotted gamespy for trying to cover up...
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No, I didn't check it, and have better things to do then look these things up. :)

And why boycott Gamespy? For thinking their anti-bot features works? For being poor web developers? They aren't the guys trying to make D2 take the lead anyway. Thinking they're trying to cover anything up just seems silly to me. They're probably just thinking they did a good enough job to prevent the most fatal poll abuses. It's not like they really care for what game wins.

Statistics lies (even if the security isn't compromised) and this will be no exception. Take it for what it is. A poll where the games getting lots of votes are popular. Starcraft included. When the difference is 49% / 51% or whatever it was in the case of SC / D2, it's too little to know which game should've won if no side voted more than once. This isn't a poll as controlled as a vote to elect a government and was never intended to be.

Slashdot put a very good disclaimer on their polls:

"This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane."
 
And Diabloii.net gave that poll a healthy slashdotting, in a manner of speaking, massive traffic in a short period of time.

A script exists that could manipulate the poll? What's next? A script that is run on a regular basis by a program that calls it? EVIL H4XX0RS! I shall dub this h4xx0r program cron and its evil time schedule... CRONTAB! Seriously though a script existing that could interfere is nothing new, heck an average *nix user could whip one up in short order.

Gamespy didn't take adequate precautions? It's a freakin poll for pete's sake not a visit by the Pope.

I heard some people whining in the HC forum about Flux sending traffic there and claiming that wasn't fair either. Diabloii.net is a fansite, Flux was just doing what diablo2 fans want him to do... give us stories and posts related to the freakin game!

*btw flux thanks mate, if not for the post I might have missed the whole darn poll :D

Is there anything worth complaining about in regards to this poll?

Yes... there is no cowboy neal option you insensitive clods! ;)
 
Inu,

You got a perfect rebuttal on your claim in the FIRST response in your thread. I understand you probably don't have the technical expertise to comprehend it, but some of us DO! All the links you provide show there has been an ATTEMPT at hacking. The GS email is PROOF it HASN'T succeeded. FWIW, I knew long before the official response that threre are no grounds to the accusation. I'm a software developer and I have worked with network technologies, including TCP/IP and HTTP, so I know what I'm talking about.

If it is any consollation for you, it IS possible to cheat (not the way the stupid hacker tried, and only allows a relatively small amount of votes), but I won't divulge further details so as people don't attempt it. And as for the contest not being fair, that's true too - my wife cannot vote for example (or rather only one of us can vote). It's for the same reason the hack attempt failed.
 
Call me dumb, but I have no idea what kind of a point Inu is trying to make. His posts have no organization and look like they were simply cut and pasted from somewhere. The lack of coherency makes your post (the big long one) make absolutely no sense to me. Sorry. Your so called proof means nothing if you can't effectively present it.
Oh, and what is "bl*******ers"?

Even if D2 did win via a vote-bot, so what? The vote was pretty meaningless to begin with. Most of the people who like D2 and SC never visit Gamespy. Unless fansites such as this one notified players like you and me, we would never have voted. There are so many factors that even something like Pit Fighter for the SNES could've won.
 
agnickolov said:
If it is any consollation for you, it IS possible to cheat (not the way the stupid hacker tried, and only allows a relatively small amount of votes), but I won't divulge further details so as people don't attempt it. And as for the contest not being fair, that's true too - my wife cannot vote for example (or rather only one of us can vote). It's for the same reason the hack attempt failed.
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If its the same method I am thinking of, then its possible to cheat a few times, up to a few hundred...it does work. But then again, it would work for anyone who has it, so theoretically the SC people could be doing the same, so its pointless.

There is a third method...but I didn't bother to thouroughly test it, and the results could very well have been because others voted at the same time...no way of knowing.

To me it was more of a test...it doesn't really matter to me who wins.
 
Agnickolov, I appreciate your polite and informative response.

The proof was that people racked up more than ONE vote with the scripts. Every "person" got 1 vote but when that was put our of balance the poll lost it's meaning entirely...

The second person in my quote, Ilintar is a programmer as profession, and seeing as I know him I more or less trust him blindly in these kind of issues since my knowledge about it equals nil.


Oh, Bl*******ers is a taboo, cheat, nono-gogo site... :}
 
Look at the actual number of votes D2 had this round, then check the numbers in the previous two rounds. See much change? D2 didn't have to cheat, it's been racking up those numbers from the beginning.

Now look at StarCraft.
 
meh. I think the SC people should stop whining. It was just a dumb internet poll. BUt myself I sat there for like an hour reading my book while it loaded (very slowly by the way) and I clicked d2 then i clicked vote about 70 times. It seemed to work but hey I dunnoi if it did but it went from 15000 to about 16500 in about 10 minutes lol.
 
Saytan said:
Who cares if it won or lost, not one single one of those contests on the Gamespy and Gamespot sites has been "legit" as you can vote for a single choice as many times as you want.
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NO, you can't. That's the point. They record your IP address, so if you vote from the same IP address more than once, your additional votes will not be recorded.
 
BTW, looking at the raw vote numbers all the games have been getting, I think D2 will stomp Zelda, only to be narrowly beaten by Half-Life. Doom will easily pass both Mario Kart and CivIII, but will likely get taken by Half-Life in the final round.

It's painful to say, as I'm a big fan of D2 and CivIII, but it's what the numbers are telling me.
 
Rally the voters for the Campaign

Yes the greatest-game-of-all-time won, guess all those hours of spamming the vote eddress in the Diablo 2 chat channels paid off aye...
 
To clear things up.
1-b******ckers = BlizzHackers.com (lol you guys have it as bad word, how lame is that...)
2-Im not admin.
3-If you ask me, the bot worked.
4-If seems needed, we will work on a proxybot. (which is unlikely to go public)
5-We love controversy.
6-We made to the 1st page of a lot of sites, that was worth it already.
7-You have a bunch of stupid emoticons :howdy: (we agree on that right?)

Your fav mod,
-Comi
 
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