~Double Dream enchant Sorceress Guide v.1~ Comprehensive!
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well i get quite a bit of life from the enigma, verdungos, bk, and sandstorms. i picked those items specifically cus they gave alota life. also since theres no points into str or dex, i have somewhere around 490 into vit, which translates into 3.5-4k life depending on the charms im using.
for attack rating, angelics are nice, but if you wana go double angelic, it would be wise to swap out verdungos for trangs belt for the antifreeze. i get enough ar from the enchant which is around level 30-32 depending on what items shes wearing, so i rarely use angelics, except maybe for dueling.
before she morphs or bos, she should have around 1100-1400 hp [mine has around 1350], and that will give you a nice total hp number. if you dont have that much hp, then you have been doing something wrong. remember that 20 life charms translate into around 75 life.
o btw she has perf cta, but that shudnt be the diff between 2.5 and 4k life.
enigma/maras/bk/anni/spirit/1+ on cta/+1 on bcomand gives a total of 10 to skills, so she has a level 16 cbo, and +12 bear form/lycantropy.
bear form adds 50% life, lycantropy adsd 75%, and bo has +80 for a total of around 200% more life. if you followed the guide closely, you would have at least 450 points into vit in the end [i mean, sandstorms give 15, dungos give up to 40, and anni gives up to 20, its not hard], and the life bonuses from charms and bk and enigma.
take ure base hp and multiply by 3. if you say you only have 2.5k life , that means you only have 800 base hp before you morph? my energy shield meteor sorceress has more hp than that.
for attack rating, angelics are nice, but if you wana go double angelic, it would be wise to swap out verdungos for trangs belt for the antifreeze. i get enough ar from the enchant which is around level 30-32 depending on what items shes wearing, so i rarely use angelics, except maybe for dueling.
before she morphs or bos, she should have around 1100-1400 hp [mine has around 1350], and that will give you a nice total hp number. if you dont have that much hp, then you have been doing something wrong. remember that 20 life charms translate into around 75 life.
o btw she has perf cta, but that shudnt be the diff between 2.5 and 4k life.
enigma/maras/bk/anni/spirit/1+ on cta/+1 on bcomand gives a total of 10 to skills, so she has a level 16 cbo, and +12 bear form/lycantropy.
bear form adds 50% life, lycantropy adsd 75%, and bo has +80 for a total of around 200% more life. if you followed the guide closely, you would have at least 450 points into vit in the end [i mean, sandstorms give 15, dungos give up to 40, and anni gives up to 20, its not hard], and the life bonuses from charms and bk and enigma.
take ure base hp and multiply by 3. if you say you only have 2.5k life , that means you only have 800 base hp before you morph? my energy shield meteor sorceress has more hp than that.
thanks for the detailed reply... i actualyl had to put about 40in str because i onli had a dusk enigma and cudnt reli be bothered to get a bp one. still ive solved the problem kinda by using another rfrost and more arsc... damn fun chr to play with tho, especially when ppl call u noob for being melee sorc : )
heh also i just realised... i dont hit enemies too often coz i havent trained up my merc yet to use infinity which reduces enemy defence by an obscene amount which probs explains a bit.
THx for writing the guide, its nice to make a more interesting chr for a change.
heh also i just realised... i dont hit enemies too often coz i havent trained up my merc yet to use infinity which reduces enemy defence by an obscene amount which probs explains a bit.
THx for writing the guide, its nice to make a more interesting chr for a change.
Oh yes, i amvery interested in the pally variant, an am making one right now, havent assigned any stat or skill so far. i was wondering wut is the best equipment for one apart from obviously doom, 2Xdream? wud COH be best armor or wuteva. I am not that rich so i was just wondering before i spent any hard earned runes.
im constantly checking this forum as to not leave people in the dark while im in the sun ^^:
this is what my paly is using [90% confident]
angelics ammy/rings
ias gluvs for the ias break /w some sorta other mod [blood recipe with ias/cb/str i think]
sandstorms/marrowalks
dream in a zak shield with res/
dream in a sup tiara [i like tiaras, even if they are on guys]
verdungos
better than perf doom zerk[its made in a 15ed 5s zerker axe... good luck finding one of those ^^]
wep swap= enchant stick/spirit paly shield [lower str req]/cta bo sword
charms: mostly life and attack rating. res charms to max. no need for paly charms. also some fhr for the 86 fhr break [its not so hard with dungos/and double dream, which provide up to 70% total. with sandstorms on, i dont need any fhr charms]
stats:
i either maxed vit
or got block to some level, then maxed vit
it doesnt really matter what i did, since its up to your playing style. vit isnt as important as the ensorc for this char since he can leech and he only can bo [ensorc can bo/lycantropize/morph. so 1vit=6-7life, wher the paly 1vit=4-5 maybe]. i dont know how much dex it takes to max block on a paly shield [plz tell if u know.]
skills: i maxed all the synergies for holy shock. didnt put a point into holy shock. the synergies pump the aura that u get from dream. i only made 1 paly variant [7 enchantresses on the other hand], so im not sure what happens when u put a point into shock.
maxed conviction.
rest i put 1 point into all the combat skills to c what was good.
zeal is pretty nice for pvm. i made my paly pretty much pvm, and he still owns in pvp anyways. for pvp u wana go for foh and its syns, or possibly charge [craploads of 1 hit unresisted damage]. the pros and cons are discussed in the guide.
also, ure right about how vit from items doesnt combo with bo or transform, [thought it was obvious, but ill edit the final version so it includeds this tidbit]
but 40 vit from dungos is still 80 life. bk gives around 40, dream shield gives +10 vit +50 life. enigma gives +5% life. dream hem gives 10 vit 5% more life, maras gives 5vit. sandstorms give +15 vit. anni gives 20 vit. in the end u get around 100 more vit, + 90 life , and +10% more life. which we can safely say is 350 bonus life. [10% is calculated assuming u have a safe 500-600 life][if your base hp, with nothing on, is 500-600, we are gona have problems].
at level 85, a healthly level that anyone can achieve without alota work.. you should have 3* 20 life pot quests, 3*5 quest pts, + 84 *5 level up points + 10 base vit , around 450 into vit. which translates into around 1000 life with the pot quests. triple that for the bonuses form co and morph and lycan. total of 3k life + 350 bonus = 3.4k life, with no charms at all.
you should really try to avoid putting str or dex points: ive had to use a dusk enigma at one point, and the only way i got it on was by the military pick beast that gave a crapload of str. of course, i wud have been screwed if i had died... but about 5 weeks into it and many many hell runs and dclones, and shes been ok.
i dont think i stressed the differences between maxing ts/tk/nrg shield, and fmastery/warmth enough:
if you are really dying alot from lack of hp, wana pk, want a semi-meat shield, then go for the ts/tk/nrg shield. i highly recommend this.
the second build [maxing the enchant synergies] was really an afterthought after meeting those council guys in a3 and having to hit them [GASP] more than 2 times to kill them since 98% of your damage is lightning. i prolly didnt comment on how much a difference in playing style this is: if you can afford to get max resists + unholy amounts of vita charms, then you MIGHT wana go max enchant syns, otherwise, ts/tk/nrg shield is mandatory. those skills save your life way too often to be passed aside.
my newest sorceress is built with max damage, and i can say that she is definitely weaker [both pvm and pvp fightingwise] than the previous one [who used ts/tk/nrgshield] because she has no ts/tk/nrg shield. [i cant afford godly charms like 99% of all d2 players]
finally: conviction on a merc is pretty much mandatory if you plan to fight a boss. 5 hits to kill dclone wont happen without conviction. [this sorc is my dclone killer, smiters bow to her] if everyone knew of her effectiveness vs dclone, everyone would use her over smiters or whomever due to her sheer speed.
this is what my paly is using [90% confident]
angelics ammy/rings
ias gluvs for the ias break /w some sorta other mod [blood recipe with ias/cb/str i think]
sandstorms/marrowalks
dream in a zak shield with res/
dream in a sup tiara [i like tiaras, even if they are on guys]
verdungos
better than perf doom zerk[its made in a 15ed 5s zerker axe... good luck finding one of those ^^]
wep swap= enchant stick/spirit paly shield [lower str req]/cta bo sword
charms: mostly life and attack rating. res charms to max. no need for paly charms. also some fhr for the 86 fhr break [its not so hard with dungos/and double dream, which provide up to 70% total. with sandstorms on, i dont need any fhr charms]
stats:
i either maxed vit
or got block to some level, then maxed vit
it doesnt really matter what i did, since its up to your playing style. vit isnt as important as the ensorc for this char since he can leech and he only can bo [ensorc can bo/lycantropize/morph. so 1vit=6-7life, wher the paly 1vit=4-5 maybe]. i dont know how much dex it takes to max block on a paly shield [plz tell if u know.]
skills: i maxed all the synergies for holy shock. didnt put a point into holy shock. the synergies pump the aura that u get from dream. i only made 1 paly variant [7 enchantresses on the other hand], so im not sure what happens when u put a point into shock.
maxed conviction.
rest i put 1 point into all the combat skills to c what was good.
zeal is pretty nice for pvm. i made my paly pretty much pvm, and he still owns in pvp anyways. for pvp u wana go for foh and its syns, or possibly charge [craploads of 1 hit unresisted damage]. the pros and cons are discussed in the guide.
also, ure right about how vit from items doesnt combo with bo or transform, [thought it was obvious, but ill edit the final version so it includeds this tidbit]
but 40 vit from dungos is still 80 life. bk gives around 40, dream shield gives +10 vit +50 life. enigma gives +5% life. dream hem gives 10 vit 5% more life, maras gives 5vit. sandstorms give +15 vit. anni gives 20 vit. in the end u get around 100 more vit, + 90 life , and +10% more life. which we can safely say is 350 bonus life. [10% is calculated assuming u have a safe 500-600 life][if your base hp, with nothing on, is 500-600, we are gona have problems].
at level 85, a healthly level that anyone can achieve without alota work.. you should have 3* 20 life pot quests, 3*5 quest pts, + 84 *5 level up points + 10 base vit , around 450 into vit. which translates into around 1000 life with the pot quests. triple that for the bonuses form co and morph and lycan. total of 3k life + 350 bonus = 3.4k life, with no charms at all.
you should really try to avoid putting str or dex points: ive had to use a dusk enigma at one point, and the only way i got it on was by the military pick beast that gave a crapload of str. of course, i wud have been screwed if i had died... but about 5 weeks into it and many many hell runs and dclones, and shes been ok.
i dont think i stressed the differences between maxing ts/tk/nrg shield, and fmastery/warmth enough:
if you are really dying alot from lack of hp, wana pk, want a semi-meat shield, then go for the ts/tk/nrg shield. i highly recommend this.
the second build [maxing the enchant synergies] was really an afterthought after meeting those council guys in a3 and having to hit them [GASP] more than 2 times to kill them since 98% of your damage is lightning. i prolly didnt comment on how much a difference in playing style this is: if you can afford to get max resists + unholy amounts of vita charms, then you MIGHT wana go max enchant syns, otherwise, ts/tk/nrg shield is mandatory. those skills save your life way too often to be passed aside.
my newest sorceress is built with max damage, and i can say that she is definitely weaker [both pvm and pvp fightingwise] than the previous one [who used ts/tk/nrgshield] because she has no ts/tk/nrg shield. [i cant afford godly charms like 99% of all d2 players]
finally: conviction on a merc is pretty much mandatory if you plan to fight a boss. 5 hits to kill dclone wont happen without conviction. [this sorc is my dclone killer, smiters bow to her] if everyone knew of her effectiveness vs dclone, everyone would use her over smiters or whomever due to her sheer speed.
auradins merc:
1] eth obedience/fort/andys
2]vs dclone
eth obedience/duress/guilaumes
for craploads of crushing
[convic from the auradin lowers res, and auradin's holy freeze slows dclone too, so your merc is almost guaranteed to live]
crushing blow is awesome, not that he really needs it, since the auradin is a beast when it comes to melee [killing speed about as fast as ensorc]. conviction basically makes hell into normal difficulty, if you dont have a grasp of its effects.
1] eth obedience/fort/andys
2]vs dclone
eth obedience/duress/guilaumes
for craploads of crushing
[convic from the auradin lowers res, and auradin's holy freeze slows dclone too, so your merc is almost guaranteed to live]
crushing blow is awesome, not that he really needs it, since the auradin is a beast when it comes to melee [killing speed about as fast as ensorc]. conviction basically makes hell into normal difficulty, if you dont have a grasp of its effects.
i dont have 1-99 lightning small charms. i cant afford em. i havent seen anything above a 1-39 sc. chances are if i cant get my hands on 1 of em, you cant either. and btw, damage isnt as important as other mods such as life or fhr or resist. my inv has 2 light charms, and they both have 12 fhr. im using them for the fhr, the light damage is a bonus. the rest of the charms are atack rating/life charms.
>>u cant go double dream wih a bow.
>>the single dream doesnt double stack on a bow anyway. [lcs]
>>and i think i discussed why brand was inferior overall. very good choice for ranged enchantress, but build is totaly different
>>and if i havent talked about why widowmaker sucks, ill say it here and now:
2k fire damage which can be resisted, absorbed, pvp reduced. on a sorc whos firing speed is like 10-11 frames. yuck. get a zon.
doom is much better since the holy freeze gets synergies, slows down everyone so it makes dueling easy, has good ias: whats not to like. you get double friggen convic with the mods on the doom and the convic u have on. doom is the best weap for auradin, no doubt about it. you aint no auradin without no auras.
>>u cant go double dream wih a bow.
>>the single dream doesnt double stack on a bow anyway. [lcs]
>>and i think i discussed why brand was inferior overall. very good choice for ranged enchantress, but build is totaly different
>>and if i havent talked about why widowmaker sucks, ill say it here and now:
2k fire damage which can be resisted, absorbed, pvp reduced. on a sorc whos firing speed is like 10-11 frames. yuck. get a zon.
doom is much better since the holy freeze gets synergies, slows down everyone so it makes dueling easy, has good ias: whats not to like. you get double friggen convic with the mods on the doom and the convic u have on. doom is the best weap for auradin, no doubt about it. you aint no auradin without no auras.
JasonBriggs
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would a 6 shael'd crystal sword work instead of a phase blade?
JasonBriggs
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i know that crystal sword is slower but would it make 5 frames if i had 6 shael in one?
crystal sword has same wsm as zerker axe. at 0 wsm, u need more than 120 weapon ias to hit 5 frames, so it is impossible. [i think phase was the only thing that would work, i tried for everything else and it was 6 frames at best. the insane dex req is the price u gota pay i guess.]
Phoenixtech
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Perhaps I got my math wrong, but let's check the numbers real quick.
1) Lvl 30 Holyshock (Unsynergized)
1-1668 to your attack
1-278 aura damage
2) Lvl 30 Holyshock (Fully syngergized)
1-7005 to your attack
4-1167 aura damage (1167/6 = 195 PVP damage)
Now at first glance it's obvious u're going to use conviction for your aura and maybe even syngergize holyfreeze since your using doom.
Let's say u managed to get an armor with all 5/5 light facets, that'd only increase it by 20%. Now, assuming that no one has 4 ort shields or 30% light res GCs for stacking and they are striped to -100%. You've only done 400 PVP damage per shock (best case). Compare this with trapsin's damage of 7000 per LS hit without infinity.
I don't see how you can be successful with this in PVP. How do you "charge around" with your palidin and kill everyone with 195 lightning damage that only has a radius of 23.3 yards? Especially against say faith/fort zons or wind druids that can absorb HUGE amounts of elemental damage? I don't even see how u can win against a ES/orb sorc to tell you the truth. Again, perhaps I'm a total noob and am missing something here.
1) Lvl 30 Holyshock (Unsynergized)
1-1668 to your attack
1-278 aura damage
2) Lvl 30 Holyshock (Fully syngergized)
1-7005 to your attack
4-1167 aura damage (1167/6 = 195 PVP damage)
Now at first glance it's obvious u're going to use conviction for your aura and maybe even syngergize holyfreeze since your using doom.
Let's say u managed to get an armor with all 5/5 light facets, that'd only increase it by 20%. Now, assuming that no one has 4 ort shields or 30% light res GCs for stacking and they are striped to -100%. You've only done 400 PVP damage per shock (best case). Compare this with trapsin's damage of 7000 per LS hit without infinity.
I don't see how you can be successful with this in PVP. How do you "charge around" with your palidin and kill everyone with 195 lightning damage that only has a radius of 23.3 yards? Especially against say faith/fort zons or wind druids that can absorb HUGE amounts of elemental damage? I don't even see how u can win against a ES/orb sorc to tell you the truth. Again, perhaps I'm a total noob and am missing something here.
Yup i tihnk u are missing something... that dmg is right, BUT i hav one of these pally.. and they KICK ass in pvp...
Sorcs sometimes die b4 i even get near em... ww barb i can run away while they die from the shock, same with any melee chr really.
Orb sorc are easy... i jus charge em, and smack em 1-2 times
I did make this chr to be a pvper, had have been caleed a noob many time for it, untill i kill evry1 in the game easy hardly getting hurt.
however i do use tactics other than run around, like hit and run charge attacks. light based chr are a joke due to me having 95light res with res light aura, and 85without it.
Wind druid are quite difficult, but once i got used to fighting them , i hav developed tactics against em, however hammerdins are impossible so...
THanks to z3phrn for giving me the idea to make this chr... its fun, effective and noone else has em, so its original too.
Sorcs sometimes die b4 i even get near em... ww barb i can run away while they die from the shock, same with any melee chr really.
Orb sorc are easy... i jus charge em, and smack em 1-2 times
I did make this chr to be a pvper, had have been caleed a noob many time for it, untill i kill evry1 in the game easy hardly getting hurt.
however i do use tactics other than run around, like hit and run charge attacks. light based chr are a joke due to me having 95light res with res light aura, and 85without it.
Wind druid are quite difficult, but once i got used to fighting them , i hav developed tactics against em, however hammerdins are impossible so...
THanks to z3phrn for giving me the idea to make this chr... its fun, effective and noone else has em, so its original too.
itsPizzarific
Banned
ugh that sucks .. a war scepter or whatever the normal version of a caddy is would be nice.
Yeah, I was looking through sites, and found out that a "Twin Axe" found in hell has almost no reqs, and max socket is 5, so I just used the socket quest on one i found and made it.itsPizzarific said:
The sorc is really great, only if d2jsp had a config for it, because Im too lazy to level my merc
itsPizzarific
Banned
try the pits in hell, your merc will level like crazy. and nice stuff and drop.
