Create Your Own Role Mafia game

[Caluin Graye]

At this point in time, I'd be willing to vote for Bad Ash or Moar.

Moar still seems scummy to me from her day one play, and nothing has happened since then to convince me otherwise.

Bad Ash hit my radar with this bit:

The no connection thing with Solar and franklin could be something we could go off of and Solar did respond to many people.

I do a little bit of light prodding on franklin, and he reinforces it right away. That seems off to me.

You're post made me think about how we discussed how bad the politician was for town all day. We all knew that there was a way to remove roles with dr Frank. So what does BA the bus driver do? He targets the person with that role.

And this is an excellent point.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Also, for my own sanity:

Day one:
Ankeli: Cootie Detector
Bad Ash: Bus Driver (Ash -> Moar -> flub)
Caluin Graye: Reflector
flububucket: Paris
Gwaihir: Dr. Frankenstein (Moar (poli) -> Mal (Last Laugh)
kestegs: Tarot (Sun -> Gwaihir)
Malevolent: Last Laugh
MartinLong: Kingmaker (Sathoris)
Moar: Politician (Ankeli)
Pyrotechnician: Mime (Reflector
Sathoris: Spammer
Solar Ice: Meet Joe Black
thefranklin: Forensic Scientist (Sample CG)

Day Two:
Roles gone:
Paris (swapped with last laugh)

Ankeli: Politician
Bad Ash: Dr. Frankenstein
Caluin Graye: Forensic Scientist
flububucket: Spammer
Gwaihir: (Unclaimed; Last Laugh?)
kestegs: Last Laugh
MartinLong: Mime (Cootie Detector)
Moar: Bus Driver
Pyrotechnician: Reflector
Sathoris: Tarot
Solar Ice: Meet Joe Black
thefranklin: Kingmaker

Day three:
Roles gone:
Paris
Politician
Meet Joe Black

 

[flubbucket1]

Sathoris, before I toddle off to bed.

Did you choose to whom you gave the kingmaker role when you had it? I don't care about your reasons, just did you choose or did you allow the random Goryani generator to pick the next recipient?

 

[Sathoris]

Well, that was rather obvious. You didn't clarify why though. That's the part I didn't understand.

BA's case has been laid bare by more than a few people. I want you lynched because you were the biggest defender of Malevolent on D1 who we still don't know the alignement of, but was obviously lynched for a good reason. And ou Your misvote for Mal being high up there.

And my worry is that with Mal gone without knowing if he was mafia you can just brush that off and we move on to other suspects and forget about D1 (and you).

 

[flubbucket1]

Wow!!

Caluin Graye answering for Gwaihir now are we???

 

[Sathoris]

Sathoris, before I toddle off to bed.

Did you choose to whom you gave the kingmaker role when you had it? I don't care about your reasons, just did you choose or did you allow the random Goryani generator to pick the next recipient?

I didn't had the Kingmaker role, but I got made king. With no night there hasn't been a chance for the new Kingmaker to pick a new king. I asked Gory if I'm still the king just now. If someone else is the king today, they should claim. We don't want a mafia king to secretely redirect a lynch away from his teammate. (With no king we have no chance of knowing the current king so he can redirect all he wants without claiming)

 

[Gwaihir]

"It is really good for them, though" is referring to mafia. The first sentence states the power is better for mafia than scum, the second sentence says it is really good for scum. I don't see it as redundant phrasing. The last sentence has nothing to do with roleblock target, it is about the whole role itself.

lol

We can find out if there is a mafia BFF around. Gwaihir said IIRC that the Paris role would be "stored" in Mal. I have to go back and check that. So if the role is revived by town and we get a town Paris, she'd be able to tell that there is a BFF (scum Paris would obviously not). Chances to get this scenario are small though. We'd need town Frankenstein, town Paris and scum BFF. And if Solar was the BFF it was all for nothing anyway. Not sure that's the best use of our ressurces.

Technically possible, but in my opinion not at all worth the time. I guess of roles that are dead, that is the one I would mind coming back the least. Anyone else think my idea of kingmaker claiming so we can get him out of the game is a good one? That one has to go before we get to the possibility of an endgame.

No night sorta limits "actions" but I am wondering why so little action out of Gwaihir.

But I'm sure he'll have something....plausible?

I do! Yesterday afternoon through this morning my compy informed me I was getting viruses by coming here, so I was out for a bit. I lost all my quoted posts unfortunately, so I only have the recent ones.

BA's case has been laid bare by more than a few people. I want you lynched because you were the biggest defender of Malevolent on D1 who we still don't know the alignement of, but was obviously lynched for a good reason. And ou Your misvote for Mal being high up there.

And my worry is that with Mal gone without knowing if he was mafia you can just brush that off and we move on to other suspects and forget about D1 (and you).

I will admit having Ankeli flip town was a huge surprise, he really did not make any case for being town. I agree that the day of chasing Ankeli made me put Moar much lower on the list of possible mafia. Still topping my list is BA, it seemed like on the previous day he hedged until pretty much everyone had clamored for him to claim bus driver. It could have been lack of reading, but I find it just as likely that he was trying to figure out if he could lie to throw suspicion on someone else.

As for Role claim, I was looking for cooties, but no night means I had nothing.

 

[Gwaihir]

I will admit having Ankeli flip town was a huge surprise, he really did not make any case for being town. I agree that the day of chasing Ankeli made me put Moar much lower on the list of possible mafia. Still topping my list is BA, it seemed like on the previous day he hedged until pretty much everyone had clamored for him to claim bus driver. It could have been lack of reading, but I find it just as likely that he was trying to figure out if he could lie to throw suspicion on someone else.

Clarification: In the morning of Day 2, Moar was on the top of my list, but she dropped down when I thought her roleblock was the reason we had no night kill. With that not the case, she is back on top, but I have not went back to look at what she said yesterday.

 

[Moar]

Hard to say. And I see no real way to confirm whether he is or not. Well there is a way by us all claiming our current roles, but I don't think that's worth it by any stretch.

Came about this while looking for the quote below. In hindsight that is exactly what we should have done. Especially after Gwaihir said we would skip the night due to The Sun.

Vote: Ankeli

will show us one way or the other. If hes the politician, we can go for gwaihir. If hes not, then we have a dead mafioso. Simple Simon.

I dont want people to forget about Moar though. My vote would be going for her if it wasnt for Ankeli not reading the thread.

Gonna follow precedent here:

Vote: Moar


not reading the thread is scummy -.- (as Ive been reminded by quite a few people)

Paris has been removed from the game. Also, I think you've been the scummiest of the players alive and this is snowballed by us not knowing mal role, and you "fake" voting for Mal.

These are the quotes I referred to earlier. Same kind of reasoning for both.

 

[Moar]

Technically possible, but in my opinion not at all worth the time. I guess of roles that are dead, that is the one I would mind coming back the least. Anyone else think my idea of kingmaker claiming so we can get him out of the game is a good one? That one has to go before we get to the possibility of an endgame.

I agree to that it has to go before endgame, but again point out that we can't get rid of that role forever until Frankenstein is gone. Why are several of you continuing to forget that roles can be revived? Even if you did that yourself?

Another thought. You and your buddies don't have the Kingmaker today, so you ask for that person to claim so you can get a townie lynch?

 

[Moar]

N1 Gwaihir stole the role from the lynched Mal to take a townie out of the game while getting a role that could potentially rescue a scum buddy.
He claims to have eliminated the politician role since he thought it was better for mafia than for town.
His buddy BA then used his bus driver ability to not remove the role from the game since it was potentially useful for mafia.

This is a pretty clever set up. Town will never know if Mal was town or mafia (you know of course) and you can use that later to sow uncertainity like you just did.

 

[Sathoris]

Here he votes for me partly because not reading the thread is scummy. The reason he assumed that is that I asked if there was a Paris D2. I asked that to see if the D1 claims from Gwaihir and him were correct. Trying to get me off his back? Trying to stiffle further questions about him and his role?

Nothing wrong with his vote on you. You weren't at all on his back. Questioning his role use and play happened the day before and wasn't brought up anymore for about five pages.
You're painting his vote on you as similar to Ankeli's. Ankeli needed to be lynched. You are/were his top suspect.

You two aren't mafia teammates, but you're both prime lynch candidates. So why should we lynch Bad Ash over you, Moar?

 

[Sathoris]

If you gave a shot at Gwaihir, the person who I thought was scum from his first post of the game, you might have been on to something. you just havent made any sense with anything youve said, its just wild flailing.

What has happened to your suspicion of Gwaihir, Bad Ash? Why are you dropping Moar and Gwaihir, you're top suspects for a new and weak case on Flubb?

 

[Moar]

Nothing wrong with his vote on you. You weren't at all on his back. Questioning his role use and play happened the day before and wasn't brought up anymore for about five pages.
You're painting his vote on you as similar to Ankeli's. Ankeli needed to be lynched. You are/were his top suspect.

You two aren't mafia teammates, but you're both prime lynch candidates. So why should we lynch Bad Ash over you, Moar?

Because he's most likely scum and I am not.

I used the politician ability because I thought Sathoris/kestegs to be scum. I acted on my belief and i would do it again. That was received bad and I looked scummy because of that. Then I forgot to unvote when I voted for Mal. That was a honest mistake. I even thought my vote counted the day after. If any of you had pointed my forgotten unvote out to me I would have unvoted and voted again. I didn't think Mal was scum, but didn't want a no lynch. So I voted for him. Again, I looked scummy.
Then D2 Solar lied about being Joe again and there were only two possibilities for a no NK. Either the mafia didn't send a kill or I blocked Ankeli. So I wanted him lynched. That made me look scummy again?

 

[Gwaihir]

I agree to that it has to go before endgame, but again point out that we can't get rid of that role forever until Frankenstein is gone. Why are several of you continuing to forget that roles can be revived? Even if you did that yourself?

Another thought. You and your buddies don't have the Kingmaker today, so you ask for that person to claim so you can get a townie lynch?

My suggestion was a while ago, so it seems possible it was not read/forgotten. After I revealed I was Dr. Frank on Day 1, I proposed the person who gets it today (D3, after the cooldown) could use it to remove the kingmaker form the game. I am not proposing we lynch the kingmaker to remove him.

If the kingmaker is brought back after it is removed, then we have caught ourselves a mafia once a townie receives it. And if we lynch or mafia kill Dr. Frank, then it is out for good. Can you think of a better use for Dr. Frank's power tonight?

N1 Gwaihir stole the role from the lynched Mal to take a townie out of the game while getting a role that could potentially rescue a scum buddy.
He claims to have eliminated the politician role since he thought it was better for mafia than for town.
His buddy BA then used his bus driver ability to not remove the role from the game since it was potentially useful for mafia.

This is a pretty clever set up. Town will never know if Mal was town or mafia (you know of course) and you can use that later to sow uncertainity like you just did.

I made sure that someone the town decided to lynch stayed dead. Yes, we don't have his alignment - but we would not have gotten that anyways unless he was brought back to the game and lynched/killed again. I also brought back a role that has a weak form of NK immunity - someone killed with last laugh is most likely to be townie, and can be brought back if we catch the mafia who killed him.

Also, if Mal was mafia, do we want to give mafia a 2 person swing? Assuming the last person to vote him was town, then mafia killing that townie brings back a mafia. Does this scare you as much as it did me? Or are we getting to one possible reason why you did not want to be the last person to vote for Mal?

 

[Sathoris]

Because he's most likely scum and I am not.

I used the politician ability because I thought Sathoris/kestegs to be scum. I acted on my belief and i would do it again. That was received bad and I looked scummy because of that. Then I forgot to unvote when I voted for Mal. That was a honest mistake. I even thought my vote counted the day after. If any of you had pointed my forgotten unvote out to me I would have unvoted and voted again. I didn't think Mal was scum, but didn't want a no lynch. So I voted for him. Again, I looked scummy.
Then D2 Solar lied about being Joe again and there were only two possibilities for a no NK. Either the mafia didn't send a kill or I blocked Ankeli. So I wanted him lynched. That made me look scummy again?

You just listed all the reasons to lynch you, not Bad Ash.

Vote: Moar

Try again.

 

[Moar]

I'm having a lot of 502 Bad Gateway errors tonight. Freaking annoying!

My suggestion was a while ago, so it seems possible it was not read/forgotten. After I revealed I was Dr. Frank on Day 1, I proposed the person who gets it today (D3, after the cooldown) could use it to remove the kingmaker form the game. I am not proposing we lynch the kingmaker to remove him.

If the kingmaker is brought back after it is removed, then we have caught ourselves a mafia once a townie receives it. And if we lynch or mafia kill Dr. Frank, then it is out for good. Can you think of a better use for Dr. Frank's power tonight?

There is so much wrong with your post. Firstly, you assume that D3 Frankenstein is town. Secondly, you assume the Kingmaker is coming forth and claiming even though he is mafia. Lots of excuses for a mafia kingmaker not doing that and getting away with it. Thirdly, the bus driver can mess up it as well. Fourthly, you need D5/N5 bus driver to be town as well. Doesn't matter the alignment of Frankenstein, the bus driver can mess up things with meaning it and without meaning it. This is just too much to having a chance to work. [/quote]

I made sure that someone the town decided to lynch stayed dead. Yes, we don't have his alignment - but we would not have gotten that anyways unless he was brought back to the game and lynched/killed again. I also brought back a role that has a weak form of NK immunity - someone killed with last laugh is most likely to be townie, and can be brought back if we catch the mafia who killed him.

Yes, a dead townie is good for you, isn't it? You wouldn't want to get a townie back in the endgame, do you?

What you conveniently forgot is that it has also a weak form of lynch immunity. So a lynched scum can be brought back with it. You even mentioned "lynched" in your post. We saw with Mal that the alignment was not revealed even though it was a lynch. I think your reasoning here is far out since you ignore about everything we know about the role having seen it in play.

Why is somebody lynched when he had last laugh most likely to be townie? The town always lynches some townies . See Ankeli last day.

So getting this role back, will give you a chance on getting a mafia buddy that was lynched back. You simply have to NK the last voter. This is a gamebreaker for the town at lylo.[/quote]

Also, if Mal was mafia, do we want to give mafia a 2 person swing? Assuming the last person to vote him was town, then mafia killing that townie brings back a mafia. Does this scare you as much as it did me? Or are we getting to one possible reason why you did not want to be the last person to vote for Mal?

See above. More clearly here that you knew about the lynch imunity as well. That's exactly the losing scenario I outlined above. So that role is best out of the game isn't it? Unless you know Mal was town and want a 2nd shot at rescuing a scum buddy.

 

[Moar]

You just listed all the reasons to lynch you, not Bad Ash.

Vote: Moar

Try again.

No. I said my thing. Lynch me if you want. Once I turn out town (I am not the last laugh) please consider my arguing today about BA/Gwaihir. Most likely you are the 3rd buddy anyway. I wanted you lynched at D1 and I don't see anything that makes me want to not lynch you now. But I think BA or Gwaihir are better targets for today though.

 

[Bad Ash]

The forums are terrible right now.

OK, lets get back into the fold after sleep and work shall we?

If I am going to be lynched, do it now, or decide not to because clearly I created a mighty distraction by trying to scumhunt and focusing on the "should we/shant we" for more than one day is going to prove detrimental to finding scum and hurt the towns chances.

Am I giving up? No, am I going to self vote? Nope. If you need to eliminate the question of my alignment with lynch just do it and move on to find more scum. I want to win and am town.

I'll try to answer all questions aimed at me starting now, and if I miss any just ask again and I will get to them. Cant go back with how the forum is being and keep my sanity.

Do I still find Gwaihir and Moar suspicious? Yes, based on their previous actions in prior day phases.

But BA, why are you on flub now?

Because he made a comment and I tried to put myself in the shoes of the mafia and still think it might be worth looking into. Would I change my vote? Yes, because I (if you read my posts this was almost immediate after saying I wouldnt) am not sure.

Some added things that flub said that still have me uncomfortable:

Solar Ices suspect list. This just seems like a lie to me. It is night 1, we all seem to be in agreement that SI is mafia, and yet he gives a list to someone we are meant to think is town? Its night 1! It is entirely plausible to say "its early I am not sure, maybe Moar cause of the Mal thing?", but no, he has a whole list of suspects providing a TOOON of WIFOM that basically everyone has ignored. There was another thing flub said recently that has me questioning the whole thing but cant remember and will try to quote if forum cooperates.

If flub is town, the SI suspect list needs to be talked about based on his level of skill in mafia games.

But BA, why did you say you thought someone was close to slipping up?

Same reason I wanted Moar to say who she blocked. I know my alignment and I know I am town. I am in the position of power versus those who I don't trust and know one thing with 100% certainty and that is who I switched. If someone panics and makes a mispost or doesnt have information line up, I can come out and say so. It happens all the time. If I come out everyday and say I DID THIS LAST NIGHT. The mafia can use that information to their advantage plain and simple.

OMG THOUGH, YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND TWO SECONDS LATER.

Yes, because when I blatantly say I think someone could slip up based on my information, what is the last thing that is going to happen? Someone lieing about their actions knowing I could discredit them.

BUT OMG, YOU KNEW KNEW KNEW YOU SWITCHED THE POLITICIANZ.

Uh, no I didnt. I did not relalize the ramifications of what the switch did with the roles. I was aware the politician was attempted to be removed from the game, I did not know they were apart of my bus drive. I don't have a list in front of me of all the roles and players and who did what. I was more focused on the Moar/Ankeli situation that had my attention, and once I realized what had happened, I believe I agreed that I was wrong, Ankeli could politic a vote, and Paris was removed from the game.

TLR: I am town, we had very little direction at the start of this day phase and I saw a post by flub that I decided to investigate further and am still not swayed either way and in my opinion he isnt helping his cause. Taking someone trying to discover a potential slip up by flub is a lazy excuse for a lynch, and as lazy as me skimming the five pages of posts or whatever it was that led to my initial confusion. Vote as you wish.

BTW this post should have sarcasm tags on it and is even more far fetched than flub potentially BFFing a mafia teammate:

N1 Gwaihir stole the role from the lynched Mal to take a townie out of the game while getting a role that could potentially rescue a scum buddy.
He claims to have eliminated the politician role since he thought it was better for mafia than for town.
His buddy BA then used his bus driver ability to not remove the role from the game since it was potentially useful for mafia.

This is a pretty clever set up. Town will never know if Mal was town or mafia (you know of course) and you can use that later to sow uncertainity like you just did.

 

[Bad Ash]

N1 Gwaihir stole the role from the lynched Mal to take a townie out of the game while getting a role that could potentially rescue a scum buddy.
He claims to have eliminated the politician role since he thought it was better for mafia than for town.
His buddy BA then used his bus driver ability to not remove the role from the game since it was potentially useful for mafia.

This is a pretty clever set up. Town will never know if Mal was town or mafia (you know of course) and you can use that later to sow uncertainity like you just did.

Just to elaborate on what you are trying to say here.

Gwaihir and I are in cahoots, yet I have to busdrive specific players to ensure that I get what I want, when we are on the same team and discuss the possibility? Not to mention Gwaihir has been one of my top suspects since the first group of pages and I'd be happy to see him lynched at any point.

But Gwaihir, my mafia teammate you are saying, wants the last laugh, but me, his other mafia teammate, wants the politician role in the game instead and go rogue on my mafia night talk after he says he is taking the last laugh and bypassing his plans to get the politician back in the game. You got it!!!!!

Target A: Bad Ash
Target B: Moar
Target C: flubbucket

Actions for target A go to B. B goes to C. and C goes to A. If I were targeted for a kill, I wanted it to go to Moar, and I thought flub was unlikely to be night killed so put him in C. That is as deep as my thought process went for who to bus drive. Like Sath said, try again.