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I went to see Pirates last night at midnight with my daughter. It was funny, a little over the top, but good. Johnny Depp is a really fine actor. I have to see the first one now. We didn't get home until 3 AM, so I am a little tired today. Good thing I am on vacation this week.
Johnny Depp is starting to be like Brad Pitt.
He used to be dismissed as an chick-flick actor, but after a good performance in Pirates he's getting some recognition, as did Pitt after Fight Club.
I lost interest watching the DVD of the first one about half way through, maybe I should try it again.
As for getting to sleep at 3AM, I haven't been able to fall asleep earlier than 4 this past week, and my family is still considerate enough to wake me up around 8AM. I managed to sneak in an extra 2 or 3 hours of sleep on the fourth by passing out after far too many drinks (my total count for the day over 10-12 hours was around 60, certified by friends). I'm glad I have a strong liver.
He used to be dismissed as an chick-flick actor, but after a good performance in Pirates he's getting some recognition, as did Pitt after Fight Club.
I lost interest watching the DVD of the first one about half way through, maybe I should try it again.
As for getting to sleep at 3AM, I haven't been able to fall asleep earlier than 4 this past week, and my family is still considerate enough to wake me up around 8AM. I managed to sneak in an extra 2 or 3 hours of sleep on the fourth by passing out after far too many drinks (my total count for the day over 10-12 hours was around 60, certified by friends). I'm glad I have a strong liver.
I've decided to let you guys see what I look like (not that anyone cares), so here it goes, this is me at work:
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lol.
Kev
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lol.
Kev
BBQed some tuna steaks last night. Beautiful fish, it is like a lighter juicy fillet of pork. Highly recommend
BBQ tuna? What the christ?
I like to cook my tuna in a nice hot pan with butter and garlic, then usually shred it up a bit so it all soaks in the flavor.
Pork/Beef/Chicken are my preferred BBQ.
I like to cook my tuna in a nice hot pan with butter and garlic, then usually shred it up a bit so it all soaks in the flavor.
Pork/Beef/Chicken are my preferred BBQ.
Zodijackyl said:
Hm, combining those with BBQ and shredding would seem to be similar to pulled pork, which in turn could go nicely into a sandwich or delcious burrito.
Dacar92 said:
I liked Pirates. I too agree it was a bit over the top and a bit lengthy. Though what is this I hear about you hating us socialists?
Locke07 said:
I don't hate you. I just think the ideals of socialism are wrongheaded, or backers are misguided.
Let's use the US as an example. While not a pure democracy, it is the closest thing the world has to it and it works. Tell me, has any socialist country outpaced the US economically over the last 100 years? Does any socialist country have a lower unemployment rate than the US? Does any socialist country have lower taxes than the US?
Tell me why socialism works. Tell me why it is better than any other system and I will respond.
Dacar92 said:
While it isnt as economically powerful as the United States yet, it's conceivable that China might actually catch up some day, if you take into consideration the disappointing state of the United States economy in the past years vs the growth in China.
IMO it is not accurate at all to call a democracy the political system in place in the states, unless you consider selecting a leader within a select group of people with the same background a democracy. They might represent different political parties but they pretty much defend the same interests ie the interests of the wealthy people of america of which they are a part of. Every serious candidate has been trained the same way in the same universities to become a president with as a main goal defending corporate interests and keeping the population out of theyre way.
I'm sure you are going to strongly disagree with my opinion but unfortunately thats what a vast majority of the world outside of america thinks of what is going on, which is why great britain was the only serious ally the states had while moving in Irak. Sadly, most of the US population doesnt get the right information delivered to them.
Well im going to leave it at that, before I get myself into trouble.
PS: there are a lot of good things in America, namely the freedom the population has, democracy isnt one of them though.
I knew someone was going to mention China and I almost made mention of it in my last post, asking folks not to mention it. China is not a socialist state. It is a communist state with certain geographic areas designated as free market areas. Some of these areas are even designated as duty free areas. China is a communist state with free market driven "areas".
Socialist states allow their populace to view the internet freely. China does not. Socialist states allow their people to watch nearly whatever then want to watch on TV. China does not.
China is becoming rich because of their knowledge that capitalism works. They allow this in certain areas and in certain businesses. But they still strongly hold dear their communist ideology.
Socialist states allow their populace to view the internet freely. China does not. Socialist states allow their people to watch nearly whatever then want to watch on TV. China does not.
China is becoming rich because of their knowledge that capitalism works. They allow this in certain areas and in certain businesses. But they still strongly hold dear their communist ideology.
Well I guess it all depends on your definition of socialism. In theory, communism is a current of socialism but Im not fully aware of how things work in China at the moment so Ill trust you on that one. Whats certain is that they are interested in making money.
China mass produces our products with their workers in slavelike conditions, paying them between $1-5 per day usually. They have the worst air quality, worst environmental standards, and extremely outdated technology being used in their factories and power plants, producing far more pollution than any other nation in the world. Right now I'm digging up part of an environmental report I did on China a while ago.
Statistics
Statistic China US
Population 1306m 296m
Oil bbl/day 4956m 19.65m
GDP 7.262t 11.75t
-The average non-smoking patron of a Chinese nightclub inhales enough smoke to equal that of someone smoking three packs of cigarettes in one night
-The amount of air pollution from tobacco makes breathing inside air in a non-smoker’s home in China equivalent to smoking 80 cigarettes per day
Over 50million tons of sulfur dioxide are released into the atmosphere in China from the burning of coal alone (1.8b tons). 50m tons and 1.3b people is about 77 pounds of sulfur dioxide per person. About 3.4 ounces per day, and it all goes into their water, their soil, their lungs, or drifts into the oceans and bordering nations.
The US government will take quick action if an area has an Air Pollution Index above 200
The US considers an API above 100 borderline unhealthy
The Chinese government considers an API of up to 350 healthy, and above that “moderateâ€
The overall API of China is over 200
The US national average is around 90
China's air is more than good, it's grrreeat!
-While EU/US standards normally call for no more than 1% residual benzene in most products, Chinese products frequently contain over 10%
Very low quality and safety of the products they produce. And our kids are always playing with these plastic toys 'Made in China'
The pollution drift into nearby bodies of water is so bad most developed nations have banned the import of fish from certain areas near China.
Here I'll just copy and paste some of the propaganda material I made to go with this (all true)
Numbers
1,306,313,812 citizens, the most of any country in the world
$7,262,000,000,000 GDP
12% of GDP lost to environmental degradation (estimate)
$871,440,000,000 lost to environmental degradation
760,000,000+ Labor force
4,956,000,000 barrels of oil burned every day
55% of Chinese cities which experiences acid rain in 2003
38% of Chinese cities where the average precipitation was acid rain
50,000,000 more tons of coal China must burn due to inefficient, outdated technology
1,400,000 additional tons of sulfur dioxide this coal produces when burned
23,700,000 tons of sulfur dioxide that fell in acid rain on China in 1995
27,300,000 tons of sulfur dioxide that fell in acid rain on China in 2000
1,800,000,000 tons of coal burned annually in China
50,400,000 tons of sulfur dioxide emitted into the atmosphere by burning this coal
A Chinese federally owned power plant exploded on November 13, 2005, killing five and releasing over 100 tons of highly toxic benzene the Songhua River, into a major water supply
The incident was not acknowledged until Nov. 19
Benzene exposure, even in small amounts, is known to cause cancer, and it is highly hazardous
The slick of toxic benzene was originally 50 miles long, but has reportedly spread out to over 150 miles long.
The lasting effects of the benzene spill will include contamination of crops grown in the Sanghua River basin
The mass of benzene will reach Russia nearly one month after the spill, and much of it will be absorbed into the land
Commentary
“Benzene is a general anesthetic, causing depression of the central nervous system and loss of consciousness… a depression in the numbers of circulating red blood cells and lymphocytes and in the number of splenic nucleated cells was observed… bone marrow toxicity… haemotopoietic changes have been observed in fetuses… decreased fetal weight, and increase in fetal resorptions and skeletal variants… DNA damage was detected in peripheral blood cells, bone marrow and liver… has been shown to be carcinogenic… benzene induces gene-duplication mutations… benzene has been classified as a human carcinogen… benzene is carcinogenic to humans and no safe level of exposure can be recommended.â€
-World Health Organization, Chapter 5.2
“We are fully aware of the effects of this chemical spill.â€
-PRC Prime Minister Wen Jiabao
“Chinese citizens still have very little opportunity to operate independently of the government, and do so at their own great peril.â€
-The New York Times, December 2, 2005
“China [has] the world’s least effectively regulated economy.â€
-The New York Times, December 2, 2005
“China is home to 16 of the 20 most polluted cities in the world.â€
-The World Bank
“Environmental degradation robs the nation of up to 12% of its GDP, according to the World Bank, and each year 300,000 Chinese die prematurely of respiratory ailments.â€
-TIME Magazine
“Risks are growing. Pollution discharges are rising. We need to face the reality that we are becoming a society at risk… denial is not acceptableâ€
-Ma Jun, Chinese Environmentalist
“Chinese industry does not effect the environment.â€
-Xie Zhenhau, Former PRC environmental chief
The Chinese economy is controlled by the government, who often let international corporations exploit cheap labor there for a cost. The labor is cheap because the quality of life is very poor and they do nothing to protect the environment and they don't plan for the short future of their peoples lives. China is far inferior to the rest of the developed world, socially, economically, and industrially.
Statistics
Statistic China US
Population 1306m 296m
Oil bbl/day 4956m 19.65m
GDP 7.262t 11.75t
-The average non-smoking patron of a Chinese nightclub inhales enough smoke to equal that of someone smoking three packs of cigarettes in one night
-The amount of air pollution from tobacco makes breathing inside air in a non-smoker’s home in China equivalent to smoking 80 cigarettes per day
Over 50million tons of sulfur dioxide are released into the atmosphere in China from the burning of coal alone (1.8b tons). 50m tons and 1.3b people is about 77 pounds of sulfur dioxide per person. About 3.4 ounces per day, and it all goes into their water, their soil, their lungs, or drifts into the oceans and bordering nations.
The US government will take quick action if an area has an Air Pollution Index above 200
The US considers an API above 100 borderline unhealthy
The Chinese government considers an API of up to 350 healthy, and above that “moderateâ€
The overall API of China is over 200
The US national average is around 90
China's air is more than good, it's grrreeat!
-While EU/US standards normally call for no more than 1% residual benzene in most products, Chinese products frequently contain over 10%
Very low quality and safety of the products they produce. And our kids are always playing with these plastic toys 'Made in China'
The pollution drift into nearby bodies of water is so bad most developed nations have banned the import of fish from certain areas near China.
Here I'll just copy and paste some of the propaganda material I made to go with this (all true)
Numbers
1,306,313,812 citizens, the most of any country in the world
$7,262,000,000,000 GDP
12% of GDP lost to environmental degradation (estimate)
$871,440,000,000 lost to environmental degradation
760,000,000+ Labor force
4,956,000,000 barrels of oil burned every day
55% of Chinese cities which experiences acid rain in 2003
38% of Chinese cities where the average precipitation was acid rain
50,000,000 more tons of coal China must burn due to inefficient, outdated technology
1,400,000 additional tons of sulfur dioxide this coal produces when burned
23,700,000 tons of sulfur dioxide that fell in acid rain on China in 1995
27,300,000 tons of sulfur dioxide that fell in acid rain on China in 2000
1,800,000,000 tons of coal burned annually in China
50,400,000 tons of sulfur dioxide emitted into the atmosphere by burning this coal
A Chinese federally owned power plant exploded on November 13, 2005, killing five and releasing over 100 tons of highly toxic benzene the Songhua River, into a major water supply
The incident was not acknowledged until Nov. 19
Benzene exposure, even in small amounts, is known to cause cancer, and it is highly hazardous
The slick of toxic benzene was originally 50 miles long, but has reportedly spread out to over 150 miles long.
The lasting effects of the benzene spill will include contamination of crops grown in the Sanghua River basin
The mass of benzene will reach Russia nearly one month after the spill, and much of it will be absorbed into the land
Commentary
“Benzene is a general anesthetic, causing depression of the central nervous system and loss of consciousness… a depression in the numbers of circulating red blood cells and lymphocytes and in the number of splenic nucleated cells was observed… bone marrow toxicity… haemotopoietic changes have been observed in fetuses… decreased fetal weight, and increase in fetal resorptions and skeletal variants… DNA damage was detected in peripheral blood cells, bone marrow and liver… has been shown to be carcinogenic… benzene induces gene-duplication mutations… benzene has been classified as a human carcinogen… benzene is carcinogenic to humans and no safe level of exposure can be recommended.â€
-World Health Organization, Chapter 5.2
“We are fully aware of the effects of this chemical spill.â€
-PRC Prime Minister Wen Jiabao
“Chinese citizens still have very little opportunity to operate independently of the government, and do so at their own great peril.â€
-The New York Times, December 2, 2005
“China [has] the world’s least effectively regulated economy.â€
-The New York Times, December 2, 2005
“China is home to 16 of the 20 most polluted cities in the world.â€
-The World Bank
“Environmental degradation robs the nation of up to 12% of its GDP, according to the World Bank, and each year 300,000 Chinese die prematurely of respiratory ailments.â€
-TIME Magazine
“Risks are growing. Pollution discharges are rising. We need to face the reality that we are becoming a society at risk… denial is not acceptableâ€
-Ma Jun, Chinese Environmentalist
“Chinese industry does not effect the environment.â€
-Xie Zhenhau, Former PRC environmental chief
The Chinese economy is controlled by the government, who often let international corporations exploit cheap labor there for a cost. The labor is cheap because the quality of life is very poor and they do nothing to protect the environment and they don't plan for the short future of their peoples lives. China is far inferior to the rest of the developed world, socially, economically, and industrially.
I didnt think this debate was supposed to be centered on environmental considerations. Of course quality of life is important for a society, the most important thing actually. China's situation in that regard has nothing to do with the fact that they are communists but with bad decisions at other levels. Canada won an award given to the country with the highest quality of life a couple times a few years ago and it is a country whose politics are much more towards the left than the United states. Not everything is black or white...
To get back to the point, I thought that we were talking about strenght of economy and saying that China is far inferior to the rest of the developed world, economically and industrially isnt accurate. The fact is that China produces and sells a lot of goods (how they do that and what they do with the profits is another thing - good or bad judgement) and attracts a lot of investors: those dont look like signs of an inferior economy, a young and burgeoning one maybe.
They might have outdated technology but after raking in enough money, any business could and should invest in technology to improve their productivity: its just good business. They have the possibility to do that; once again it boils down to good or bad judgement. They have the work force and the potential to be a superpower and their fate wont depend on the fact that they are communists. As far as I know, socialists doctrines don't say that governments should exploit their population til they croak and polute their lands til they are blasted into a fine mist.
To get back to the point, I thought that we were talking about strenght of economy and saying that China is far inferior to the rest of the developed world, economically and industrially isnt accurate. The fact is that China produces and sells a lot of goods (how they do that and what they do with the profits is another thing - good or bad judgement) and attracts a lot of investors: those dont look like signs of an inferior economy, a young and burgeoning one maybe.
They might have outdated technology but after raking in enough money, any business could and should invest in technology to improve their productivity: its just good business. They have the possibility to do that; once again it boils down to good or bad judgement. They have the work force and the potential to be a superpower and their fate wont depend on the fact that they are communists. As far as I know, socialists doctrines don't say that governments should exploit their population til they croak and polute their lands til they are blasted into a fine mist.
The debate wasn't centered around it, I just happened to have a lot of knowledge of that area.
They have outdated technology, and they have no reason to upgrade to cleaner technology. Their people have no influence on the government, and the vast majority of Chinese citizens would be glad to see a new government. They work for a terribly low wage in poor conditions, and their government sells the privilege to exploit them as near slave workers for its own profit. In China, there is no OSHA, no minimum wage, no labor laws, no labor unions, nothing. If there was a militant overthrow of their government, the people would welcome it.
If there was an attempted militant overthrow of the US government, they would have a hell of a lot to fight. We love our freedoms, our way of life, and if anyone tries to take it from us we'll take a stand. Saddam Hussein threatens us, we kick his regime out of their country. The Taliban is associated with a group who attacked us and killed 3000 of our people? Gone. Our standing military is split between Iraq, Afghanistan, and some more in other places, we haven't even had a standing army try to get to our shores. We have nearly 300 million people here, and many of them are armed. Chinese workers can't afford the guns our citizens own, and their military can't even get the quality firearms that many Americans own. Americans have an economy to get them what they want, they love their way of life, and they are not going to let anyone take it from them.
The Chinese hardly care for their government, and should someone put up a strong effort to overthrow their government, they'll have to fight their military, but the vast majority of their 1.3b+ people are not willing or able to fight to support their government. China doesn't have the military ability or diplomatic stance to invade other nations who threaten them. Who does? Nobody under the UN could really do this without trying to get the rest of the world to agree, and what is the only nation to defy the UN and do what we want to rather than listen to a bunch of ****wits who sit around and debate whether or not to vote if they're allowed to? What power does the UN have? None. The governing power of the United Nations is what member nations choose to do if allowed under resolutions to do so. Who is going to stop the US from invading Iraq if they don't want us to? Nobody. The US can fully support itself in invading two nations, and if we do it, the rest of the world will eventually follow. We have an economy that can support trillions of dollars going into liberating nations. The second most recognized phrase in the world is an American corporation. No other nation in the world has this power to be able to do this, or at least no nation is willing to. China hardly has the power of the US, even if they have a huge producing slavelike workforce.
They have outdated technology, and they have no reason to upgrade to cleaner technology. Their people have no influence on the government, and the vast majority of Chinese citizens would be glad to see a new government. They work for a terribly low wage in poor conditions, and their government sells the privilege to exploit them as near slave workers for its own profit. In China, there is no OSHA, no minimum wage, no labor laws, no labor unions, nothing. If there was a militant overthrow of their government, the people would welcome it.
If there was an attempted militant overthrow of the US government, they would have a hell of a lot to fight. We love our freedoms, our way of life, and if anyone tries to take it from us we'll take a stand. Saddam Hussein threatens us, we kick his regime out of their country. The Taliban is associated with a group who attacked us and killed 3000 of our people? Gone. Our standing military is split between Iraq, Afghanistan, and some more in other places, we haven't even had a standing army try to get to our shores. We have nearly 300 million people here, and many of them are armed. Chinese workers can't afford the guns our citizens own, and their military can't even get the quality firearms that many Americans own. Americans have an economy to get them what they want, they love their way of life, and they are not going to let anyone take it from them.
The Chinese hardly care for their government, and should someone put up a strong effort to overthrow their government, they'll have to fight their military, but the vast majority of their 1.3b+ people are not willing or able to fight to support their government. China doesn't have the military ability or diplomatic stance to invade other nations who threaten them. Who does? Nobody under the UN could really do this without trying to get the rest of the world to agree, and what is the only nation to defy the UN and do what we want to rather than listen to a bunch of ****wits who sit around and debate whether or not to vote if they're allowed to? What power does the UN have? None. The governing power of the United Nations is what member nations choose to do if allowed under resolutions to do so. Who is going to stop the US from invading Iraq if they don't want us to? Nobody. The US can fully support itself in invading two nations, and if we do it, the rest of the world will eventually follow. We have an economy that can support trillions of dollars going into liberating nations. The second most recognized phrase in the world is an American corporation. No other nation in the world has this power to be able to do this, or at least no nation is willing to. China hardly has the power of the US, even if they have a huge producing slavelike workforce.
Dacar92 said:
While we are not a pure democracy by any means. We are acctualy a social-welfare state. Their are several countries that are deemed socialist that have lower poverty rates than the US such as, Belgium, France and Austria. The argument of taxes is a irrelevant discussion, because a socialist state must raise taxes to provide more. In countries such as Sweden they have a 75% income tax but if you loose your job you get paid full pay plus benafits for 2 yrs then half pay for 5 more years. Plus full medical insurance in many countries such as Canada, UK, France and Austria. While no country has been able to have a higher GDP than US we have at several times been removed from the list by countries such as Germany and Buhamas at one point were expected to pass us. Now China while not quite a socialist country is expected to surpass us in GDP within 50 years. Also a very common term thrown around in the US called Social Security is a [Very] socialistic idea.
Zodijackyl said:
Liberating nations? Like Irak? Im sorry but the states moving into Irak had nothing to do with helping the Iraki people, you thinking that is just the result of the massive propaganda in the states. America isnt known for giving freebies to other nations. Do you have any tangible proof linking Hussein to Al Quaeda? I bet you don't since nobody does. Weapons of mass destruction? Same thing.
Of course no one is gona stand in the us's way if they decide to invade a country like irak (especially since Hussein had to go anyway but not for the main reasons given by the us government): I probably don't have to tell you how much money the US spends on their military on a yearly basis. The fact is that america's economy is for a BIG part based on war and reconstruction.
"the rest of the world will eventually follow", another wrong assumption created by your media, please tell me who followed you guys in Irak exactly?
The only country in Europe with a significant military that followed the US in Irak is GB, as far as I know, if im wrong please let me know. Of course, Blair went against the voice of the population when he made that decision.
Most ppl know why america did what they did, control of the middle east and obviously of the flow of oil. You guys are there for the money and power. Your presence there is getting on the nerves of a lot of people. Some of them are extremist, desperate people. It is a dangerous game to play.
An effective government is one which convinces its people not to rebel and succeeds in keeping other nations from destroying it. There is no objectively best government system, only effective and ineffective governments, as evidenced by this argument. Democracy, socialism, capitalism, communism, dictatorship, aristocracy, plutocracy, and many other forms of government have all proven they can be effective forms of government system over the right groups of people for extended periods of time. The only form of government which has not proven to be effective for an extended period of time, as far as I can see, is fascism due to its destructive nature turning in on itself.
I would actually consider current America closer to a plutocracy ran to appear as a democracy than anything else. Or maybe better said as a democracy that became a plutocracy through individual human desires.
I would actually consider current America closer to a plutocracy ran to appear as a democracy than anything else. Or maybe better said as a democracy that became a plutocracy through individual human desires.
Byaxident said:
Saddam Hussein had powerful conventional weapons, and repeatedly threatened to use them against the United States. This is a good reason to invade. Any reasonably intelligent and informed person will know Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda were actually enemies, but the dumb people group them together because they're both muslim extremists. Does it matter if yoi think that we're helping the Iraqi people? Does it matter if the general public of any nation thinks this? No, it doesn't. We have enough support from what we are doing in Iraq and nobody is willing to stop us. Your comments about how frivolous these invasions were just proves my point even better. The United States can do whatever the hell we want, and the international community is going to follow us. Who opposes us? France and Germany have withheld troops, but are they going to try to stop us? No way in hell.
Enough foreign governments have send troops to aid in Iraq, and governments have voiced their approval of the operation, regardless of what their people think. Is anyone going to oppose what we do? "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists", and nobody wants the US to be against them. What nations have sent troops to Iraq to assist in the US endeavor? Here's a few:
Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Boznia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Fiji, Georgia, Great Britain, Holland, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Tonga, Ukraine
Both France and Germany currently have their own troops supporting the US in Afghanistan, and Thursday Bush is meeting with the new German Chancellor to discuss sending German troops to Iraq.
Enough support? All of these countries have sent military personnel to support the United States in its actions, even if France and Germany don't want to.
Now, can ANY other nation invade another and gain such great international support? Can any other developed nation do this without massive disapproval from other governments, strong enough to lead to sanctions and possible military action against them? No other government can even try to declare a war or invade a hostile nation like we can. We can support this without looting the spoils of war. Where does all this Iraqi oil go anyway? A lot of it goes to China. The US gets most of their oil from North and South America. The amount of oil harvested in Iraq can slightly effect the overall price of oil in the world, but with Saddam Hussein out of power, there's one less crazy idiot to voice his opinion in OPEC. The process currently in progress in Afghanistan and Iraq is intended to help spread Democracy and more advanced society to that region, and also the military efforts to curb militant Islam are certainly helping the region.
So what is the US doing in the Middle East? We're invading and rebuilding the world more to our liking, and we can keep our homeland in great upkeep while rebuilding and running 2 other countries to our liking.
Can China do this? No way in hell. China will never be able to catch up to the US in this aspect. They might be able to have a huge industrial ouput by using the billion more people they have as slave laborers, but their current government is nowhere near capable of the stable society, advanced technology, military power, and international influence the US has.
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