Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
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Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
Fantastic game Rlyeh!
For as many power roles as were spread around, I thought the game was very well balanced. The outcome came down to who was targeted when and who was lynched when. Decisions made by the players determined this outcome. I can't think of a better standard for balance.
Masons as different versions of the same player became an issue mostly because the masons tried to keep their masonry secret as long as possible. They were the last to claim and even while claiming, hid significant details like role names. Controversial/suspicious details only become more controversial/suspicious as time goes on. They didn't really go after anyone voting one of the masons. I don't see any hints or talk of hints.
The Shape Shift ability almost certainly provided rewards for faking to have someone else's claim, but so would faking a cop or doc or any other power role. In this case, the fake was enough to not get lynched in the first place. Saving yourself while lynching the real role is gravy. Ankeli would have been lynched the next day. Without the Shape Shift ability, faking a claim like Ankeli did would result in either a mafia lynch then semi-confirmed townie or a townie lynch then a mafia lynch. With the Shape Shift ability, lynching townie one day would STILL result in mafia lynch the next day. However, the Shape Shift ability allows mafia a decent chance at lynching a townie the next day. No matter what, utilizing the Shape Shift ability results in a lynched mafia. Because of that limitation, I don't think it's overpowered.
Also: Why does Ankeli get all the roles which reward lying? It's rigged I say.
In this game, I thought the Shape Shift ability was telegraphed too much to have a big impact, but then I knew about it. I don't know how Ankeli wasn't instantly lynched when he switched from claiming Crow to "whomever BA claims to be" while not raising a peep the day or two earlier when BA first claimed. At a minimum, Ankeli should be expected to test BA by blocking BA the very next night to prove BA's claim and not wait a couple of nights.
I didn't like the idea of ending the day on a lock. For several reasons. First, even though players often make insignificant posts (if they post at all), those posts (or lack of posts) still give insight into their state of mind. Second, lynches usually occur late in the day as it is. By ending the day early when players manage to lock a lynch, you reward delaying of votes and unvotes and revotes. I think a promise to end the day early results in players starting the day later. Lastly, ending the day early messes up schedules. If you want to ask a question and receive an answer before end of the day, you have to ask early enough to receive an answer. Changing the end of day time will mean a lot more questions go unanswered. Ending the day early on lock may be fine for games where a day is a looooong time but not for games where day is only 48 hours.
Unoriginal as mafia != unoriginal as host.
Turn is powerful but it also needed to be. You gave three townies advance notice of recruitment (not to mention all the vampire based lore). The town had roles to stop turning, empirically detect turning, means to identify the turned/turners and deal with turning once it occurred.
I agree. Moar jailkeepers!
Fantastic game Rlyeh!
For as many power roles as were spread around, I thought the game was very well balanced. The outcome came down to who was targeted when and who was lynched when. Decisions made by the players determined this outcome. I can't think of a better standard for balance.
Masons as different versions of the same player became an issue mostly because the masons tried to keep their masonry secret as long as possible. They were the last to claim and even while claiming, hid significant details like role names. Controversial/suspicious details only become more controversial/suspicious as time goes on. They didn't really go after anyone voting one of the masons. I don't see any hints or talk of hints.
The Shape Shift ability almost certainly provided rewards for faking to have someone else's claim, but so would faking a cop or doc or any other power role. In this case, the fake was enough to not get lynched in the first place. Saving yourself while lynching the real role is gravy. Ankeli would have been lynched the next day. Without the Shape Shift ability, faking a claim like Ankeli did would result in either a mafia lynch then semi-confirmed townie or a townie lynch then a mafia lynch. With the Shape Shift ability, lynching townie one day would STILL result in mafia lynch the next day. However, the Shape Shift ability allows mafia a decent chance at lynching a townie the next day. No matter what, utilizing the Shape Shift ability results in a lynched mafia. Because of that limitation, I don't think it's overpowered.
Also: Why does Ankeli get all the roles which reward lying? It's rigged I say.
In this game, I thought the Shape Shift ability was telegraphed too much to have a big impact, but then I knew about it. I don't know how Ankeli wasn't instantly lynched when he switched from claiming Crow to "whomever BA claims to be" while not raising a peep the day or two earlier when BA first claimed. At a minimum, Ankeli should be expected to test BA by blocking BA the very next night to prove BA's claim and not wait a couple of nights.
I didn't like the idea of ending the day on a lock. For several reasons. First, even though players often make insignificant posts (if they post at all), those posts (or lack of posts) still give insight into their state of mind. Second, lynches usually occur late in the day as it is. By ending the day early when players manage to lock a lynch, you reward delaying of votes and unvotes and revotes. I think a promise to end the day early results in players starting the day later. Lastly, ending the day early messes up schedules. If you want to ask a question and receive an answer before end of the day, you have to ask early enough to receive an answer. Changing the end of day time will mean a lot more questions go unanswered. Ending the day early on lock may be fine for games where a day is a looooong time but not for games where day is only 48 hours.
Unoriginal as mafia != unoriginal as host.
Turn is powerful but it also needed to be. You gave three townies advance notice of recruitment (not to mention all the vampire based lore). The town had roles to stop turning, empirically detect turning, means to identify the turned/turners and deal with turning once it occurred.
I agree. Moar jailkeepers!
Caluin Graye
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Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
What does you hosting have to do with what you claim when you play? A person can be totally original in one way and unoriginal in another.
I didn't mean to insult you, if that is the case. I was simply frustrated that day since the vote-power that I had been building up to using the entire game had been decimated in a single swoop by the fact I didn't know Rlyeh was going to reveal it to the entire town, so then I was trying to participate in the town's defense without being able to actually say anything.
Over all, I think the game was great. There were balance issues. Luckily it didn't matter too much this time around, as a few of us got really lucky with our abilities. Tagging Goryani with my night 1 investigate did a lot, I think.
Laarz's role I liked a lot. I think he was probably the biggest factor to the mafia winning the game. Had he not had that role, then both Ankeli and TC would have been killed that night, leaving just Laarz alive with no recruit. The game would have been practically over by that point.
Ankeli's role I think I disliked the most. I'm not fond of roles that force the moderator to lie to his players.
I had a ton of fun, Rlyeh. Playing a JOAT is great. So many fun abilities, but as they're all one shot, you're faced with having to think very hard about when and how to use them. More people should use JOATs.
What does you hosting have to do with what you claim when you play? A person can be totally original in one way and unoriginal in another.
I didn't mean to insult you, if that is the case. I was simply frustrated that day since the vote-power that I had been building up to using the entire game had been decimated in a single swoop by the fact I didn't know Rlyeh was going to reveal it to the entire town, so then I was trying to participate in the town's defense without being able to actually say anything.
Over all, I think the game was great. There were balance issues. Luckily it didn't matter too much this time around, as a few of us got really lucky with our abilities. Tagging Goryani with my night 1 investigate did a lot, I think.
Laarz's role I liked a lot. I think he was probably the biggest factor to the mafia winning the game. Had he not had that role, then both Ankeli and TC would have been killed that night, leaving just Laarz alive with no recruit. The game would have been practically over by that point.
Ankeli's role I think I disliked the most. I'm not fond of roles that force the moderator to lie to his players.
I had a ton of fun, Rlyeh. Playing a JOAT is great. So many fun abilities, but as they're all one shot, you're faced with having to think very hard about when and how to use them. More people should use JOATs.
Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
I thought your manner of disclosing the action and result was brilliant. Look at the responses of myself, Ankeli and TC to your stunt. Somebody set up us the bomb.
I thought your manner of disclosing the action and result was brilliant. Look at the responses of myself, Ankeli and TC to your stunt. Somebody set up us the bomb.
Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
None at all, I was quite annoyed when people switched from Ankeli to Flip. I was so sure Ankeli was mafia I targeted him that night. I can't imagine how annoyed I would be if I was still town and he made it another day.
It was ok, with pros and cons. I didn't like the variable time part of it. But it is nice to not have to work out another 5 hours of people just shutting up which can happen on a lock. don't mind either way.
Seconded.
None at all, I was quite annoyed when people switched from Ankeli to Flip. I was so sure Ankeli was mafia I targeted him that night. I can't imagine how annoyed I would be if I was still town and he made it another day.
It was ok, with pros and cons. I didn't like the variable time part of it. But it is nice to not have to work out another 5 hours of people just shutting up which can happen on a lock. don't mind either way.
Seconded.
Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
Thanks for hosting RE, a very fun game! I just love having roles that allow me to get under people's skins, and this was one of the best. I'm sort of bummed I didn't get lynched, as I would've loved to see Bad Ash try to defend himself the next day. Oh well, the outcome is what matters.
Acting like an idiot totally not seeing anything going on around me suits me. Then again, my reads of the Pro-Town players were completely off. Guess I'm just more suited to the good ol' vanilla townie role and hunting scum.
Thanks for hosting RE, a very fun game! I just love having roles that allow me to get under people's skins, and this was one of the best. I'm sort of bummed I didn't get lynched, as I would've loved to see Bad Ash try to defend himself the next day. Oh well, the outcome is what matters.
Acting like an idiot totally not seeing anything going on around me suits me. Then again, my reads of the Pro-Town players were completely off. Guess I'm just more suited to the good ol' vanilla townie role and hunting scum.
Flip10thMtn
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Re: Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread
All good - I KNEW as soon as I and noodle claimed one of us would be lynched.
All good - I KNEW as soon as I and noodle claimed one of us would be lynched.
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