Llathias said:i'm glad that the information helped
about the calculation, i could not get your result. let's do it step by step so someone can correct me if i'm doing something wrong...
first, Porius seems to have made a mistake by calculating the skill damage. +800% damage comes from synergies, which makes it 900% of the listed damage. at lvl 20, that's 4860-5229 (5044.5 avg) dmg for 9.6 seconds (blackbogs gives +5 to pdagger, but i don't have access to the dmg at lvl 25).
avg dmg/sec: 525.47, duration: 9.6s
Blackbog's
dmg/sec: 48.8, duration: 10s
Perfect Emerald
dmg/sec: 14.29, duration: 7s
Tal rune
dmg/sec: 15, duration: 5s
Total dmg/sec (we add all up): 603.56
Average duration of Blackbog's+Tal+Emerald: 7.33s
Total duration with pdagger duration added: 16.93s
Total dmg: 10220.3
of note is that, if we were to take out Tal from the setup, we'd have:
Total dmg/sec: 588.56
Average duration of Blackbog's+Emerald: 8.5s
Total duration with pdagger duration added: 18.1s
Total dmg: 10653.9
with only Blackbog's (Tal and Emerald removed):
Total dmg/sec: 574.27
Total duration: 19.6s
Total dmg: 11255.7 (1035.4 higher from the initial setup)
these numbers might be off by a tiny bit since i don't know where and how the game rounds numbers. i also used the average dmg from pdagger, Porios had used min dmg.
Edit: you cannot have both a Tal rune and a Perfect Emerald in Blackbog's Sharp. although a Cinquedeas can get 3 sockets, elite items will only get 1 socket from Larzuk.
Llathias said:elite items will only get 1 socket from Larzuk.
chickenhed said:Also, would you save me some reseach time and let me know of the items you plan on equipping to achieve the 100% chance to flee, because that sounds really really handy for the questing and is a great idea.
unless the poison damage rate (per time) of a source is incredibly high, a low duration poison source reduces the overall damage. however, keep in mind that we're calculating the damage at the end of 19.6 sec, which, usually we don't wait for during normal gameplay.Quickdeath said:So poison dagger damage always greatly increases overall poison damage (per strike). However, Pois Dagger is best added on top of a single high damage rate, long duration poison source like Backbog's.
According to these calculations, there is almost no incentive to have multiple poison damage charms or multiple perfect emeralds in a weapon. Example: two perfect emeralds have the same average damage and average duration as one perfect emerald? Or am I totally confused?
ah, yes, that should've read Unique. sorry, my mistake. no idea why i said Elite. Blackbog's is not even Elite, it's Exceptional!maxgerin said:Elite (even Normal or exceptional) White/Plain items will get more than 1 socket from Larzuk, it depends on the ilvl of the item. If it reaches a certain level, it automatically gets the max number of sockets possible for that base item. If lower, it gets 1 socket less, AFAIK.
On the other hand, Unique items will always get just 1 socket from Larzuk, no matter what item base that is as long as it is a unique, or set, item.
maxgerin said:So as not to confuse some readers...
Elite (even Normal or exceptional) White/Plain items will get more than 1 socket from Larzuk, it depends on the ilvl of the item. If it reaches a certain level, it automatically gets the max number of sockets possible for that base item. If lower, it gets 1 socket less, AFAIK.
On the other hand, Unique items will always get just 1 socket from Larzuk, no matter what item base that is as long as it is a unique, or set, item.
BTW, going back to the topic...
I was wondering why not just use P Nova, chickenhed?
I read that you want to deal the poison first, then let your Minions/Merc do the rest... wouldn't P Nova do that? Just wondering so that if this strategy is better, I'll use it for my poison/summoner.
--maxgerin
chickenhed said:however you do bring up a good practical point. is there ANY real practical advantage to using pdagger insead than pnova, guys?
Nightfish said:No. Nova hits lots of targets and does a lot more damage per second than dagger, too.
Well, okay, there is one instance: If you're using a Venom Weapon (TalDolMal) You can use the charges to synergize poison dagger. Which allows you to have a decent poison skill for only 20 skill points, which means you can make a working hybrid.
NSXdreamer said:There is no reason you can't do both. Death's web on one hand and bog on the other, both with trang parts of course.
maxgerin said:If you will be so kind to give me a Death's Web, NSX, I'll be very glad to try that build.
--maxgerin
maxgerin said:If you will be so kind to give me a Death's Web, NSX, I'll be very glad to try that build.
--maxgerin
Kitriara said:I love Daggermancers... poison is so much fun to play with in general.
Trangs Gloves are easy to find and a good boost. Either Blackbogs or Venom (for the synergies without points) can be used... lots of ways to do this build.
chickenhed said:but no way to make it more useful than pnova.....
heh, im still bothered. id love to make a pdagger necro that is actually a strong build, and not just a "fun build cause im bored" build![]()