23 Runeword Search Thread

Just started up what is known here as "the supercourse." 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week worth of class. Not sure how much time that leaves for keeping track of the testing, but Wathombe is already doing a great job of that. I'll try to keep up with things so that we continue forum side grids and tables.

Great work so far, hopefully we get one before they finally release.
 
My first post here, but I've read through the full 34 pages... Took me an entire night :cheesy:, but it was damn interesting.

Regarding whoever discussed the printing around the Diablo II Classic box/manual, it is written "Malum Superest". It is indeed Latin and means "Evil survived", which is an obvious reference to your killing the Lord of Terror in Diablo I and his actually surviving.

The word MalUmSurElIst would perhaps be an intresting bet. Don't count on me for trying it though...

Another thing I thought about : IF the "Blizzard" trivia was actually a hint for finding new runewords, AND if each question isn't a hint by itself but only the whole trivia is one, AND if the answers are what forms the hint (ie. not the questions), THEN questions 3 and 3.5 must give the exact same hint. I have tried correlating those two with number of letters, anagrams, possible runes taken out of it,... but could find nothing useful. Perhaps someone feels more inspired than me ? Besides, finding the link between 3 and 3.5 could very possibly enlighten the nine other questions, thus giving us THE answer we are looking for, that is one runeword (perhaps more !).
 
Again some 2 socket testing

Swords:

ElEld
EldEl
NefEl
IthEth
ThulOrt
TalAmn
AmnSol
TirTal
IthOrt
AmnEth
TalIth

Wands:

LumTir
TirLum
TirNef
SolLum
ShaelLum
DolLum
HelLum
ShaelDol
EldIth
ShaelSol
NefEl
EthEl
TalEl
TirEld
EthEld
IthEld
AmnEld
OrtEld
EldTir

Hammers:

AmnEl

Maces:

EthTal
ThulEth
TalEld

Spears:

TirIth

Missile:

NefEth
RalOrt
ThulOrt

Axes:

EldEl

Armors:

OrtShael

Claws:

TirNef

Clubs:

TirIth

Testers:

*mmaketsu
*yhenon
 
The hellforge rusher is now lvl 62 and as soon as me friend gets back from vacationj i am gonna take hi for a test rush. If all goes well then we should start to be able to do rushs in-mass for the cause. I currently dont no how many people i can rush, but ive been able to do chaos sanctuary nm with realatively little help and 6 people in game. this is a incouraging thing. i'll post again if i can get to rush me friend.
 
mmaketsu
thanks a bunch with the mass tests :thumbsup: i went to the arreat summit, and i found all the classes which can be found at the bottom of this post. and although there is 23 runewords, i don't think there will be, like i said before, a runeword only for crossbows and not bows. so that would subtract 1 again. but check out the list of classes on the bottom

Dawns_requiem
that's great. maybe i can make a new account just so you can rush chars for forge :lol:

Diabolic Apom
what Blizzard trivia are we talking about here? got a link? :drool:

(notice Blizzard seperate class specific into it's own class)
Armor: Total 10
Helms
Armors
Shields
Gloves
Boots
Belts
Barbarian Helms
Druid Pelts
Paladin Shields
Necromancer Shrunken Heads

Weapons: Total 16
Axes
Bows
Crossbows
Daggers
Javelins
Maces
Polearm
Sceptors
Spears
Staves
Swords
Throwing
Wands
Amazon Weapons (not 3 different classes)
Assassin Katars
Sorceress Orbs

Total Classes overall is 26 but Throwing and Javelins can not be socketed so we're left with 24 classes. Heh :yawn:
 
Morning, all.

Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet

I clearly missed a great deal of discussion this weekend. I'll try to respond to as much as I can, but if I miss anyone, please feel free to yell at me and point out my omission. :uhhuh:

Dawns-requiem: Great work. When you're ready, we'll start organizing USWest posters for classic forge rushers. Let us know how the test run goes.

mmaketsu/yhenon: Thanks for all the tests, as usual. You two are a very efficient team. I have added a grid for Orbs into the spreadsheet. I don't think there are any previous 2os Orb tests, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Diabolic Apom: Welcome to the team. All good questions. I can't see any relation between the answers to 3.0 and 3.5, either. Maybe we're missing something (or maybe they all mean nothing). I'm hoping the RalIth/IthRal tests will yield something (Orbs, anyone?).

Shaft: Argh! We will certainly miss your input and insight. Sounds daunting, that supercourse. What are you studying, if we may ask?

Cadogan: Welcome! And thanks for the tests! We're going to need people on West soon for classic forge rushes, so you're just in time.

On class-specific runewords: I haven't done an analysis myself, but these all sound like good ideas. Barb helms, druid pelts, and zon spears are certainly good candidates, as you say, Sokar. With so many new runewords, I wouldn't discount orbs or necro heads, either, despite the presence of other strong non-runeword alternatives. Perhaps I should split the shield and helm grids out into class specifics. What do you guys think?

On European tests/viability of 1.07 list: I met the European player online this morning (on Europe), and he demonstrated his rollback method for me--not how he did it, but he showed me the results on a baby character I made myself. His tests are legit, so we're down to 25 possibles, including retests from early July. I'm prepared to toss the 1.07 list, although I do think it's a good idea to retest the cheap recipes and try the missing Pul and Um recipes. After that, we're left with random 2os and Kenny-Z.

silfos/916_Andy: Here is the original Kenny-Z clue for "hratli":

Kenny-Z said:
This sorcerer has mastered the ability to meld metal with magic. He claims a much higher price than most blacksmiths, but his work is the best of any mortal. Also his tongue is sharp as a blade and quick as a whip.
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Notice the mention of "blade" in there. Too bad RalIth and IthRal have both been tested in swords. Of course, we could try Hel Ral Amn Tir/Tal/Thul Lum/Lem/Lo Ith/Ist in a phase blade. (btw, Andy, you left Tir out of your initial analysis on the last page.)

That's all for now. Let me know if I missed anything.
 
And boots, belts and gloves cannot be socketed. So that is 21, but Maces are 3 different categories: Clubs, Maces, Hammers. So it is 23
 
916_Andy said:
Total Classes overall is 26 but Throwing and Javelins can not be socketed so we're left with 24 classes. Heh :yawn:
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True for total overall classes, but that doesn't really apply as far as runewords. Better to look at the runeword page on Arreat Summit (here) for runeword item-type "tags."

For instance, within the class of "Maces," there are three distinct item types for runeword purposes: clubs, maces, and hammers. Within the shield class, there are (at least) two distinct types for runeword purposes, with a twist: shields (which also work in paladin shields and necro heads) and paladin shields (which only work in paladin shields). We can probably assume the same for helms, and perhaps missiles (for amazon bows) and spears (for amazon spears).

As of yet, any runeword that works in a bow works in a crossbow.

Also, among those 26 classes, you have included boots, belts, and gloves, none of which are socketable.

EDIT: mmaketsu beat me to the punch :uhhuh:
 
I greatly thank you wathombe for all your hard work and the frequent updates on the spreadsheet! (damn tir. that could explain +2 mana after kill, 10 energy and 10 vitality, possible)

as for anything else, i was bored and decided to use a translator (although not entirely accurate sometimes) here are a few interesting ones about runes.(notice interesting, so ie. El = The in spanish is NOT listed) same meanings in another language are NOT listed.

Spanish: Sol = Sun, Sur = South
Italian: Ber = To Drink (Geglash??)
German: Tal = Valley, Ort = Place, Um = Over, Mal = Times
French: Tir = Shooting (isn't there a Shooting Star runeword or something?, Sol = Ground, Dol = Fraud
Dutch: Dol = Enraged, Gul = Generous
 
Andy :
I meant the Kenny-Z trivia, which took place on the official forums. I didn't see it myself and hence don't have a link, I only read what has been said on this (dii.net) forum.

By the way, you might as well call me Apom, it's just that the nickname was already taken for some reason (if the person owning the Apom nickname can read this, I seriously consider buying it :D).

This has certainly been done numerous times, but I'll investigate the Diablo II manual in search for some indications. Perhaps there's more Latin to find :p
 
yeah didn't realize the gloves belts etc at the time.. but anyways, i was just saying it's not likely that it will have 1 of each because of the whole xbow/bow same working thing. so therefore i thought about the maces etc. oh well. back to the drawing board :yawn: and blizzard did seperate the class specifics in different sections, (Barb Helm, Druid Belts, Normal Helms etc) so maybe we should seperate classes too. maybe
 
916_Andy, concerning ur translation, theres other correct dutch words in there: Mal = loony/crazy; Hel = way to spel hell in dutch.

Also, in french: Sur = on.
 
blah! i said interesting! that's why mal = bad isnt in there etc :rant:

Wooger, won't you have some 'AmnSol' and 'FalChamUmRal' in everybody's work. There is still a slight 'LoRal' that the 1.07 List (hint hint) will cure our 'RalHel' :drool:
 
I really said that it was just a theory. And blizzard have done crazy things before (like giving the characters the skills of other classes). And for testing the wands (someine said earlier something about that), I just thought it could be wise, because wands can only have max 2 socket. And we also found out that 2 socket wands can be bought from drognan (I didn't know that before). So testing is easy and fast.
 
916_Andy said:
French: Tir = Shooting (isn't there a Shooting Star runeword or something?, Sol = Ground, Dol = Fraud
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Although "Tir" might mean "shooting", in most cases it means "shot" (the noun, not a form of the verb "to shoot").

Also, "Nef" can be a part of a church (just like in English I think), but it also means "ship" (once again, the noun, not the verb).

However, as far as I know, your "Dol" translation is inaccurate. I can't think of Dol as a word in French, though it might be an archaic one which I do not know (still, I doubt it).

One sidenote here : I do not believe, really not at all, that translations will lead us anywhere. However, if they do, "Mal" is probably of importance, since it means "bad, evil" (both noun and adjective).

Also, "Ber" is a technical word that designs the wooden (at least it used to be wooden) scaffold-like construction in which boats are built (and kept out of water during winter). I'm sorry I don't know that word in English, I hope you get the picture. Anyway, if you're really into translations, you might want to search a Nef + Ber thing...

Finally, "Sur" has two meanings. One of them, "on" (like in "laying on the ground"), has been skipped since it has no real interest. However, it is also an adjective that means "sure, certain" (though it is written "sûr").

Anyway, my conclusion is simple : forget the whole translation. You'd better do.
 
if you read what i said, i was bored and it was just interesting. i do not intend on refering to translations to find runewords

Retested
IthAmnEl (Vengeance) Lochaber Axe. Gemmed Lochaber Axe.
 
916_Andy said:
if you read what i said, i was bored and it was just interesting. i do not intend on refering to translations to find runewords
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Very well ;)

Actually, the only runes found in the Diablo II manual are the ones on page two (those on page 4 are actually the same, except they are mirrored). Here's what I could get from the bottom of page two :

Eth | Mal? | Tal | Ral | El
? | Sol | ? | Amn | Thul
Ko | Ith | Sol | Io | Hel

And from the top of the same page (that part being rotated 180°) :

? | Tal | Ral | Ko?

Plus :

? | ? | Sol | ? | Amn | Thul | ?
? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Sol | Io
Ko | Ith | Sol | Io | Hel | ? | ?
Io | Sol | ? | Ko | ? | ? | ?

Notice the overlapping parts in the two tables (Ko-Ith-Sol-Io-Hel and Sol-?-Amn-Thul).

These are mostly low runes (with the possible exception of Mal), so it might be interesting to try. I'm sorry I can't help with it, I don't play ladder :(

[EDIT]
Also, I recall reading in this post that to reduce the number of tested runewords, we could remove all words that would be "extensions" of existing ones (typically, nothing like HelLumFalZod should exist, since there's already HelLumFal and Blizzard wouldn't reuse such "parts"). I'm not sure I understood that one accurately, but if I did, I'm afraid this is a wrong assumption : just look at the words Ancient's Pledge and Holy Thunder, which share RalOrtTal (with an extra Eth in front of Holy Thunder).
 
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