23 Runeword Search Thread

Program idea.

Hi. Long time D2 player, new time poster here. I'm a programmer and mathematician by trade, and I came up with some ideas for a program that could seriously help everyone involved out. Here are the ideas behind it:

1) The program generates all possible combinations for all separate types of weapons.

2) When running, the program is able to tell what combinations you've tried in what weapons, and then subtracts those from the list of all runeword combinations.

3) When the program is closed, it updates a database on a separate server. When the program is opened, it goes to that server and downloads the new database.

This would make keeping track of everything downright easy, and Wathombe and everyone wouldn't have to constantly update spreadsheets. Now here's the kicker: Does anyone want to help me write this program? :) I don't know network programming at all, so I would not be able to do the sending/retrieving to/from the server parts. I also don't know the code to read from D2 what happens in the game (and I'm not sure if that's even legal according to the EULA). However, that part can be skipped by simply making it so that each person who tests stuff just clicks on the order that they tried the runes, and what weapon it was, and then keeps track of it all that way. This would avoid all the possible legal issues, I think, but arguably make it "harder" for the runeword seekers. Then again, I think in general this program would make it a lot easier for them. Any thoughts?
 
Could Wathombe ask from the european guy that has tested 1.07 high runewords to test oblivion? Because the picture looks real and stats are not impossibly high considering that it takes Zod and Jah to make this word.
 
after exploring some of the japanese site i dont think that they have come up with nay new runewords yet. I ahvent been able to see an actual search thread or test results (limited comprehension of japanese) but from all the lists of runewords known they havent added anything. I dont think they have gotten much further then us. I also noticed that they have a weird thing for the look of the charcter over there. In fact there is a complete site with almost all the possible armor/ item looks possible for each charcters. It's kinda wierd. Anyway, somoene else mentioned that they were making a classic rusher, the hammerdin sounds good but a foher would sure help too, because that eliminates all the immunes.

Edit: the japanese have a lot more screenshots then we do. it's kinda nice, i think us amreicans are too lazzy.
 
I dug up some old threads, this was a post by Ruvanal -

Classic Normal A1 --> xpac Normal incomplete
Classic Normal A2 --> xpac Normal incomplete
Classic Normal A3 --> xpac Normal incomplete
Classic Normal A4 --> xpac Normal incomplete
Classic Nightmare A1 --> xpac Normal incomplete
Classic Nightmare A2 --> xpac Nightmare incomplete (spawns at Act 2 NM)
Classic Nightmare A3 --> xpac Nightmare incomplete
Classic Nightmare A4 --> xpac Nightmare incomplete
Classic Hell A1 --> xpac Nightmare incomplete
Classic Hell A2 --> xpac Nightmare incomplete
Classic Hell A3 --> xpac Hell incomplete (spawns at Act 3 Hell)
Classic Hell A4 --> not sure if Hell is considered "done" or not

So for the conversion from Classic -> LoD is finishing up hell act 2 (which grants access to hell act 3 when you convert) But that's ok, for another reason, you can convert to beat council/meph in xpack (sounds MUCH easier) and also meph drops better items, then you could do forge straight after.
 
Thrugg I didn't get the list, I only see a quote field that says code.

shaft.ed said:
I also wanted to reiterate that it is very unlikely to have a sword only and an axe only and a spear only etc. runeword. Melee and Weapon are very popular classes for runewords and I can't see them not being included in these 23.
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It's not that a runeword will only work in a sword, for example, but some runewords are not melee or all weapon words and have restrictions on the items they can be made in.

King's Grace can only be made in swords and sceptres,

Beast is axes, sceptres and hammers,

Doom is axes, polearms and hammers

Famine is axes and hammers

Kingslayer is swords and axes

Leaf and Memory can only me made in staves

Steel only works in swords, axes and maces

Crescent Moon is only in axes, swords and polearms
 
One quick test result to report:

LumThul - scale mail

Failed.

Did a quick nm forge run with Cheetah for the Lum. (First forge rush for me, very instructive, very fun. Thanks again, Cheetah.)

European player can't test Oblivion b/c he doesn't have a Zod (at least he didn't this morning).

Will respond to other posts in the morning.
 
But can't he test them by using cube recipe. And I think I know the rollback method he uses. He drops the rune in the ground, closes the connection and that makes connection interrupted and pick the rune with other char. Because connection interrupted always result the small rollback he now has 2 runes. Am I correct?
 
mmaketsu said:
But can't he test them by using cube recipe. And I think I know the rollback method he uses. He drops the rune in the ground, closes the connection and that makes connection interrupted and pick the rune with other char. Because connection interrupted always result the small rollback he now has 2 runes. Am I correct?
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Nope, not correct. As I mentioned initially, his method does not use dupes, nor can it be used to create dupes. The European tester is not a duper. He needs to find the runes he uses to test before he can test with them. That's all I'll say. :innocent:

I'll update and respond to everyone else when I get to the office.
 
Zackardo said:
Side question : h2h = claw class?
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Yes. And h2h2 is the higher claws, which can get staffmods on them (which is just Hand Scythe and above).

Sokar, that's a pity - it was actually a diagram, not a list, and a code block is the only way to preserve white space on these forums. It'd be garbage without the whitespace. Well, I can also post the relevant bits straight from the file, and you can try to make sense of that.

Shield shie shld
Armor tors armo
Scepter scep rod
Wand wand rod
Staff staf rod
Bow bow miss
Axe axe mele
Club club blun
Sword swor mele
Hammer hamm blun
Knife knif mele
Spear spea mele
Polearm pole mele
Crossbow xbow miss
Mace mace blun
Helm helm armo
Weapon weap
Melee Weapon mele weap
Missile Weapon miss weap
Any Armor armo
Any Shield shld armo
Staves And Rods rod blun
Blunt blun mele
Hand to Hand h2h mele
Orb orb weap
Voodoo Heads head shld
Auric Shields ashd shld
Primal Helm phlm helm
Pelt pelt helm
Circlet circ helm
Amazon Bow abow bow
Amazon Spear aspe spea
Hand to Hand 2 h2h2 h2h

The way to read that is "class name" "class code" "parent class code". Hard to read unformatted though I know. And the order is seemingly random :scratch:
 
Morning, all.

Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet

Senff: Interesting idea. Honestly, I don't mind updating the database, though, and I would be constantly worried that a program would not be recording all the disparate testers' results. Further, if the program read data directly from the game, it would certainly be a violation of the EULA just like Maphack, et cetera. Also, I haven't programmed since BASIC, FORTRAN, and COBOL in the mid-eighties, so I'm no good to you. ;)

On Oblivion: Don't know what to think about that. The link was posted again this morning on b.net. (Kenny-Z posted a thread this morning entitled "How Goes the Hunt?"; I would post a boastful update about our team but my office ISP's ****ing DNS server still hasn't updated the new b.net address, and I can't very well tell my office manager to fix it so I can read a game site.) If the runeword is legit and on closed ladder, I can't imagine why there would be so little reaction to it across d2 forums everywhere. It does look believable, but there's no indication that it's not in single-player. At any rate, the European tester has borrowed a Zod and has a Sur, so if he can come up with a Jah, he can test Oblivion. If anyone on Europe can loan a Jah (it will be returned), it would be much appreciated.

On classic forge rushing: Extremely helpful, TJTG. So, Dawns_requiem, if you can consistently handle Hell Duriel, we should be ready to classic rush characters all the way to hell. I know you said you hit some rough spots in your test run, so let us know when he's ready. I think we can get a pretty big group together.

riseofdeath: I don't think so. I don't know exactly how he pulls it off, to tell you the truth, but given his demonstration to me, I'm pretty sure that can't be the way he's doing it. Nonetheless, you can all stop asking, because 1) I have no idea how he does it and 2) I wouldn't tell you even if I did, because I promised him I wouldn't. Personally, I'm grateful that he's risking the high runes he finds to help us test the words we'd never be able to test ourselves.
 
I think the rollback method is done by killing the connection in someway that the game does not save but it could not be used to dupe runes. The game server has 3 saving precautions, or 3 times that it saves 1) when somoene enters the game 2) when somoene leaves the game 3) automaticly saves every 5 minutes in a game.

the rollback method is interesting, he would need a way to lag the game and then making it so that his charcter does not save. this has happend to me and my friends on several occasions (once when i was xfering and things were on ground :( ) this then resets the charcter to what was previously saved. I lamost lost a gf this way but luckly it was picked up by me friend. I dont no anyway to induce this though becuase lose of connection seems to save the charcter too so idk how it's done in practice, but theoretically it is possible.

note: with the entering/leaving saves it does save everyones charcter in the game not those who just enter and leave.
 
Again some testing from Europe. First of all, special thanks to crusader and his friends who donated us some runes. And here are the tests.

Swords:

ShaelEl
ShaelEld

Wands:

RalEl
TalEld
RalEld
ThulEld
AmnEl
TalTir
OrtTir
OrtTal
TirEth
SolEl
NefIth
LumEth
HelTir
ThulTir
ThulRal
ThulOrt
ThulAmn

And all gemmed!

testers:

*mmaketsu
*yhenon
*crvsader
 
I thought I saw it here somewhere, but can not find it.
Is there a USEast 'dumping place' for me to donate runes for the cause?

i.e. An account name or character to look for; a special channel; a special game name
 
Every wednesday to friday AEST I have to disappear and thusly don't get a chance to play Diablo, so don't expect much in the way of replies from me during that time.
 
Erage987 said:
Kenny-Z
Blizzard Poster

2. Re: A question to Kenny-Z... | 8/31/2004 8:07:56 PM GMTDT

No, the trivia games I played were just for fun. Although, some really interesting conspiracy theories were created from them!
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that....really....really....sucks

:rant: :grrr:

This post makes me very, very tired. Forget RalIth/IthRal. Forget Hratli. Forget SLICE and DICES. Forget Pandemonium Fortress and An Evil Force and everything. Forget it all. Unless he's lying. Which I doubt.

So we have absolutely no clues to the new runewords--none--unless the World of Warcraft stuff is supposed to have clues, which would be a large assumption, just like the one we made with the Kenny-Z trivia.

I suppose we should exhaust every possibility on the 1.07 list, in case some of the new runewords are contained therein. Otherwise, we are completely and totally

in

the

dark
 
Well, guys, at least we can stop discussing these "hints".

My contribution for today : having read that "h2h" means "claws", which I simply misunderstood before, I put the runes for the alternate formula of "pattern" (Eld-Thul-Ort) into a claw - ended gemmed.
 
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