First of all, goldtru, and the town, I'm sorry I lost us the game.
So, after reading the dead thread, and finding it made me more irritated with the last two days of the game than I was before, I have a couple things I need to say, and I apologize to anyone who feels it is unnecessary or mean or destructive or anything.
TJ: I feel that your attitude thus far about our games is rather toxic, and if you are unwilling to take the time to adjust to the group and just enjoy the journey, without imposing your own expectations and judgments on how everyone else plays the game, I would be quite glad if I never saw you in another of our games.
Logoutzero : Basically the same goes for you. Throwing a fit and potentially wrecking a game which was advertised as "probably broken" and "bastard" because you don't understand or agree with something is petty and hurts other people. This is a group game, and your actions affect many others and their time.
Balance wise, I think what goryani said was correct, about there being too few town votes. Two mislynches, and the town now NEEDS neutral votes in order to ever push through a lynch. That's not okay imo. Holly should have been replaced with jane, keeps more cool interactions in and removes a nk immune character.
thefranklin: N1 you redirected thomas' actions onto thomas. So...did the mods change that, or what?
TJ: At no point prior to the final day of the game did I stop caring. Your unvote+the mods removing my nk immunity+thefranklin deciding to have a town death happen=me not caring at all who won anymore, at which point I just asked goldtru what she thought, and voted with her.
Goldtru is very busy with real life, this is something you don't know because you haven't played with her, but she just doesn't have the time to keep up with everything that is posted, or even check all the time. Hell, in the first game I played with her she 100% openly claimed what town had realized was a scum character, because she hadn't realized the town had made that connection. Not having the time to play the game to the best of your ability does NOT mean you don't care enough about the game.
I, when presented with a number of individuals who I have no particular reason to believe to be town, will frequently post a list of basically everyone, with a bunch of reasons why I think they're scum. I've done this before numerous times. It's not lazy, it's to see how people respond to my thoughts. At that point in the game, I did care who won, and I was very concerned with trying to get the scum lynched. In addition, I'm almost always here at day end, and me not placing a vote at that time didn't mean I felt a mislynch was better. By the time the last 20 minutes of the last day came around, I almost decided to not change my vote to noodle, just because his knowledge of drixx's and sathoris' alignments was so scummy, but I was over it by then, didn't see much chance of goldtru showing up because the past trend had shown she wasn't able to check in before day end, and didn't look forward to the extra 72h of game time a mislynch would have caused.
Goryani, given that you believe that the voting numbers were off, would you, as scum, still have been upset about the survivors siding with the town?
Everyone else: neutrals abandoning their win cons because playing with the town is more entertaining. A **** move, or something that's acceptable?