IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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I'll wait a bit to see if anybody else notices it. I might be mistaken and reading too much into it. If the slip is there, then others will notice it as well.
Hmm. Fair enough.
I'll wait a bit to see if anybody else notices it. I might be mistaken and reading too much into it. If the slip is there, then others will notice it as well.
I stand by my vote.
@Jcakes
I would have passed it to me if I were Gory since I am the only twnie I am sure of. If I had it D1 I would have not passed it on since I wasn't sure who else was townie. And I don't wan't that thing in mafia hands. Here I assume that it will be destroyed if the owner doesn't pass it on. That said I will not vote for anyone having it in the first 3 days just in case it is in town hands. It can be a powerful weapon for town. It can be a powerful weapon for mafia later on, so it has to go after the early advantage for town has passed.
I'm pretty certain drixx is scum,and thats so I'd big shot today.
So should we ask Laarz to not pass on the vote stick ?
That was good info about the lore. So maybe Pharphis was originally town and got recruited on n1.
I still feel like we're honestly best served looking at who may have been teamed with Pharphis. Goryani came up with a good a posteriori explanation for how he behaved yesterday, but it seems to me the most simple explanation for him refusing to vote Pharphis is that he was on the same team.
Pharphis is the one with a reputation for bussing, which puts AAA a little bit into the position of doubt, but I'm not sure even Pharphis would 1st day bus for no reason, and it was almost the first move he made. There's also that connection where it looked like Pharphis and Kestegs were working together and something happened that made Pharphis walk back whatever he originally planned to say. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think that "I don't really have a reason" admission was the original intent. Pharphis didn't breadcrumb over several posts and the better part of a day that he had something on AAA without some plan to get us to believe him and lynch AAA. I don't know why he backed out of whatever he originally had planned, but it seems pretty clear (read post #175) that he backed out at the last minute for some reason.
The strongest connections I see to Pharphis are his attack on Noodle, the appearance that He and Kestegs were tag teaming AAA, and Goryani's refusal to vote him (or use any other active approach to having the vote stick).
I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.Laarz and AAA voted for pharscum, Korial almost got themselves mod killed, I don't think scum would have voted for phar for the reasons I expressed before, or risked getting mod killed. Noodle neither voted for phar nor got himself almost mod killed, so I don't have any reason to think he's town.
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I'm pretty certain drixx is scum,and thats so I'd big shot today.
So should we ask Laarz to not pass on the vote stick ?
That was good info about the lore. So maybe Pharphis was originally town and got recruited on n1.
Wow , proof reading would be smart.
"I'm pretty sure drixx is scum, and that's who I'd vig shot today. "
I think the person that stikes me as having the biggest connection to pharph is antsers. My justification for voting Antswers, was it felt like an early bus from pharphis (following kestegs lead)
Numbers last minute lock is also very scummy, kind of like he was waiting to see if there would be a mislynch (in which case he doesn't vote) or if it is at L-1 he locks to be on the train. That coupled with the fact that he appears to be trying to point out at every opportunity that scum wouldn't be on pharphis's train .....
So this would be an AAA, Pharphis, Kestegs and Numbers team? Now that I think about it, numbers has been harping a bit on nobody late in the vote being scum.
Just in case people haven't checked what TC posted about the Stick
So this would be an AAA, Pharphis, Kestegs and Numbers team? Now that I think about it, numbers has been harping a bit on nobody late in the vote being scum.
It's very possible that Kestegs just had the misfortune of giving Pharphis an opening to make a play... but if Kestegs wasn't teamed with Pharphis, how do we explain the odd interaction they had where Pharphis pushed Kestegs to give a reason, and then Pharphis goes from a series of posts promising a reason that would convince us to vote AAA to then walking it back to "it was just a bluff to see how AAA and others would respond". The only reason I'm tentatively viewing Kestegs as tentatively zombie team is because of that interaction. It's possible I suppose that Pharphis was rubbing his zombie stink all over Kestegs knowing that someone would see a connection? I don't know that Kestegs can really say anything to convince us that he wasn't connected ... but going forward how he plays will probably help determine.
First thing, I see the most likely reason for two deaths is scum NK and vigilante night action. I find two scum factions less likely. Just my opinion, you may season it to your tastes.
So should we ask Laarz to not pass on the vote stick ?
I'd probably shoot Gory. Scum vibe is there on him and could lead to discussion regarding the voting stick.
Information about the Voting Stick has been added to the first post of the thread, under Alignment information.
I'd prefer to have a bit more players weigh in on the issue before I answer (or post to show they aren't concerned about the issue), but I can't always get what I want.
The short answer: He only had 1 post.
Longer answer: Laarz was a target that fit multiple criteria.
1. I like knowing more about lurkers. Giving them an ability and seeing how/if they use it can be a good way to learn more about them.
2. I like to see if players are consistent. If Laarz received the voting stick, would players treat Laarz as they treated me? Would Sathoris? Would you? Would others?
3. Come end game, I want more information about players, rather than less. Lurker Laarz has a knack for making it till end game. Other lurkers, not so much. Noodle is frequently lynched for being a lurker (or for not being is usual lurker self) and korialstraz has been mod-killed for inactivity in the past. I felt that Laarz was more likely to make it to end game so when end game hits, we know more about Laarz rather than less.
p.s. Laarz isn't the number 1 lurker. Laarz had a post before TC warned him for not having a post.
As expected you came up with an explanation that I can't really find fault in. Hmmmmmm.
Most importantly:
I would learn less if I voted and way less if I used a double vote. Yes, that's selfish and LAMIST up the wazoo but that's how I play (I'm not interested in proving my towniness by acting townie but by finding scum). It's also the core reason the last time I was town and didn't vote for a scum pharphis with either Vote 1 or Vote 2 during Day 1 (that and because pharphis scum partner Sathoris egged me on to vote pharphis).
Here's Pyro also strangely questioning Gwaihir for speculating about what the zombie presence in the game might mean.
Jimminy Christmas, that smarts!
You literally waited until the last minute to cast your vote. Your vote was the locking vote, but kesteg's vote is the one that pushed pharphis into lynch territory. You were very quiet in the final hour of the day, such as someone might be when wanting to see if a partner could get away with a few missing votes, but ready to jump on the train if the votes come in.
I find your vote on pharphis suspect, and the fact that you're calling into question others' voting habits makes me all the more wary.
@Everyone
Fill in the blanks: If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to _____ I would interpret that as a townie move. If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to _____ I would interpret that as a scum move.
I'll be disappointed and suspicious as that isn't Laarz's style. Even during D1 he contributed more than a single post with merely a vote1.
We also get to judge Laarz on whom he gives the Vote Stick. I consider that a better judge of character since I value votes so little. One's discussion that leads to a vote is more important than the actual vote.
What did you conclude from Drixx's response or lack thereof? What would you have concluded if he did the opposite?