Kestegs
Active member
I'll second that, or third, or fourth or whatever we're up to.
That was literally the last person I expected to get it.
While we wait for your answer I'll keep pondering your possible angle.
Zombies invade Atlantis. Stargate zombie Mafia game.
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I'll second that, or third, or fourth or whatever we're up to.
That was literally the last person I expected to get it.
While we wait for your answer I'll keep pondering your possible angle.
I'd prefer to have a bit more players weigh in on the issue before I answer (or post to show they aren't concerned about the issue), but I can't always get what I want.
The short answer: He only had 1 post.
Longer answer: Laarz was a target that fit multiple criteria.
1. I like knowing more about lurkers. Giving them an ability and seeing how/if they use it can be a good way to learn more about them.
2. I like to see if players are consistent. If Laarz received the voting stick, would players treat Laarz as they treated me? Would Sathoris? Would you? Would others?
3. Come end game, I want more information about players, rather than less. Lurker Laarz has a knack for making it till end game. Other lurkers, not so much. Noodle is frequently lynched for being a lurker (or for not being is usual lurker self) and korialstraz has been mod-killed for inactivity in the past. I felt that Laarz was more likely to make it to end game so when end game hits, we know more about Laarz rather than less.
p.s. Laarz isn't the number 1 lurker. Laarz had a post before TC warned him for not having a post.
A couple of brief thoughts. A couple people talked about zombies yesterday. I recall the interaction catching my attention and I'm going to go look at it again, but with Pharphis flipping as a zombie (and the theme being a mash-up of Stargate and Zombies) it seems fairly obvious, at least in hindsight, that there would be zombies.
The question, to me, given the two kills during the night is whether we have a traditional mafia faction AND a zombie faction, or whether the zombies are the mafia and the 2nd kill was via some other mechanic than the "normal" kill. Do zombie kills come back to life after a day as a zombie? Seems unlikely since if the zombies are killing then their kills are being identified as dead and if those people re-appear in the game I imagine we'll be on them faster than Fat Albert on a twinkee.
Having two anti-town factions always seems like a difficult balancing act, so I am thinking maybe the zombies are the mafia ... but that leaves the 2nd kill as a ? and also I would expect zombies to spread/infect/recruit more than kill.
So I also want to know why Goryani gave the vote stick to Laarz. In light of his refusal to vote for Pharphis, and Pharphis subsequently flipping zombie, I'd really like to know what his reasoning for refusing to vote Pharphis was.
Potential partners to Goryani: Kestegs, AAA, Goryani, Laarz (getting some town cred with the late vote as only post and on this list because gory gave him the votestick). Thoughts?
The question, to me, given the two kills during the night is whether we have a traditional mafia faction AND a zombie faction, or whether the zombies are the mafia and the 2nd kill was via some other mechanic than the "normal" kill. Do zombie kills come back to life after a day as a zombie? Seems unlikely since if the zombies are killing then their kills are being identified as dead and if those people re-appear in the game I imagine we'll be on them faster than Fat Albert on a twinkee.
Having two anti-town factions always seems like a difficult balancing act, so I am thinking maybe the zombies are the mafia ... but that leaves the 2nd kill as a ? and also I would expect zombies to spread/infect/recruit more than kill.
So I also want to know why Goryani gave the vote stick to Laarz. In light of his refusal to vote for Pharphis, and Pharphis subsequently flipping zombie, I'd really like to know what his reasoning for refusing to vote Pharphis was.
Potential partners to Goryani: Kestegs, AAA, Goryani, Laarz (getting some town cred with the late vote as only post and on this list because gory gave him the votestick). Thoughts?
Kestegs
Active member
As expected you came up with an explanation that I can't really find fault in. Hmmmmmm.
My answer comes in many parts:
Meta answer:
I enjoy games when players are free to do something different compared to when they must do the same thing over and over and over. I don't jump on Noodle for not being Noodle. I don't jump on Drixx for not being Drixx. I don't jump on coju for not being coju. I hate it when players call me suspicious just because I do things I haven't done before or rarely do before or haven't done in quite a while. I want freedom to vary my play so I'm lenient with others who vary their play. New things are most likely to occur on D1. Therefore, I'm most lenient about play style changes on D1. I will NOTICE play style changes, but rarely act on them for D1. And by act, I mean try to get someone lynched.
Game relevant answer:
If I were lynched every time I was the first/second vote on D1 when I had little to no good reason.... I'd be lynched a lot more often. There is a reason others called kestegs/pharphis styles as that of Sathoris/myself. It works. Act like you have a power role then watch mafia try to ferret out the information you say you have. Watch them hone in on you and ignore other things that townies should be looking for. I have no problem believing a townie-pharphis is capable of such game play. I thought pharphis vote + reason + retraction was neither obv town nor obv scum. I prefer my D1 votes to be a higher percentage than random chance so I voted elsewhere.
Most importantly:
I would learn less if I voted and way less if I used a double vote. Yes, that's selfish and LAMIST up the wazoo but that's how I play (I'm not interested in proving my towniness by acting townie but by finding scum). It's also the core reason the last time I was town and didn't vote for a scum pharphis with either Vote 1 or Vote 2 during Day 1 (that and because pharphis scum partner Sathoris egged me on to vote pharphis).
Distancing from partner?
Here's Gwaihir bringing up the idea that the zombie mechanic might have a post restriction involved.
Here's Goryani asking "Which zombie mechanic?" in a game called "Zombies invade Atlantis. Stargate zombie Mafia game."
Here's Pyro also strangely questioning Gwaihir for speculating about what the zombie presence in the game might mean.
So yeah there was actually a lot more to the zombie conversation yesterday than I recalled. What I find interesting is that Gwaihir was pounced on for speculating on the zombie thing, Pharphis was killed and flipped zombie, and Gwaihir got killed in the night.
Did you read the following post where I pointed out that it was a typo. I was looking for potential partners for Pharphis because it seems logical that there was more than just him (especially with 2 kills last night).
I find it interesting that Noodle is acting differently than normal AND Pharphis went out of his way to get in an anti-Noodle comment early in the day.
I find it interesting that you're posting differently than normal. I haven't decided yet that it means you're automatically bad. It's quite possible that Pharphis wanted to rub some stink on you so that if he went down later in the game, then upon re-reading the thread people would see that comment and see it as distancing.
For now, it simply remains interesting that you've changed your posting style. But then again, so have I.
I respect what gory is saying, but I am not sure I am buying it completely.
The double kill is troublesome and I do wonder if people can be infected by zombies just because, well, they are zombies. I highly doubt that anyone will be returning from the dead as that mechanic has proven to be very difficult whenever it's introduced and I think if I had to choose between a cult style zombie vs the dead rising I would choose cult, but I have zero evidence to this being a reality.
The double kill is troublesome and I do wonder if people can be infected by zombies just because, well, they are zombies. I highly doubt that anyone will be returning from the dead as that mechanic has proven to be very difficult whenever it's introduced and I think if I had to choose between a cult style zombie vs the dead rising I would choose cult, but I have zero evidence to this being a reality.
Caluin Graye
New member
Jimminy Christmas, that smarts!
You literally waited until the last minute to cast your vote. Your vote was the locking vote, but kesteg's vote is the one that pushed pharphis into lynch territory. You were very quiet in the final hour of the day, such as someone might be when wanting to see if a partner could get away with a few missing votes, but ready to jump on the train if the votes come in.
I find your vote on pharphis suspect, and the fact that you're calling into question others' voting habits makes me all the more wary.
My question towards flub does stand though, I didn't mess up the time there.
In the first quote he says he'd be willing to vote pharphis if we need the lynch, and in the 2nd we're 45 minutes from the deadline and 2 or 3 votes short of a lynch, but he doesn't vote.
You literally waited until the last minute to cast your vote. Your vote was the locking vote, but kesteg's vote is the one that pushed pharphis into lynch territory. You were very quiet in the final hour of the day, such as someone might be when wanting to see if a partner could get away with a few missing votes, but ready to jump on the train if the votes come in.
I find your vote on pharphis suspect, and the fact that you're calling into question others' voting habits makes me all the more wary.
Kestegs
Active member
Are you posting the same as your usual?
You ninja'd me on the correction, makes more sense.
Care to share an example state of your text file from a previous game?
Can you elaborate on the bolded? It sounds like you are saying mafia would bus one another on "certain enough" votes but not close votes yet you conclude mafia bussing on certain enough votes hide better than mafia bussing on closer votes. That seems bass ackward to me.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
New member
Would not voting after having earlier said, as I did, that I didn't believe there was enough cause to vote for pharphis, have made you suspect me less? I wasn't actually going to vote for him at all except I wasn't quite certain he had 10 votes yet, so I came back to the thread at the last minute to hopefully ensure we didn't have a mislynch.
Also...my lack of a vote has everything to do with me seeking information for myself. I know I'm town. Had I voted earlier, I'd have one more person to worry about as a prime suspect right now.
Goryani: if Laarz makes one post today, and it's merely vote1: somebody vote2:same somebody, how will that tell you anything about him? It seems the most likely outcome.
djmbbandie
Well-known member
I am also disturbed by Goryani's decision to give the voting stick to Laarz. To me that screams anti-town.
Also, Noodle is unusually loud this round, I find that interesting too.
Also, Noodle is unusually loud this round, I find that interesting too.
I'll be disappointed and suspicious as that isn't Laarz's style. Even during D1 he contributed more than a single post with merely a vote1.
We also get to judge Laarz on whom he gives the Vote Stick. I consider that a better judge of character since I value votes so little. One's discussion that leads to a vote is more important than the actual vote.
I was waiting to see if Sathoris would answer this but he didn't. I voted Drixx with that reason because I thought it was funny. My vote for Drixx wasn't a serious one but even if it was, I wouldn't have double voted at that time. I was only going to use a double vote near the end of the day and most likely just as a finger of suspicion vote.
