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[Goryani]

My vote on Drixx was for a reason, both Gory and Sath had voted for drixx, and after both votes there was a reaction from drixx regarding the vote taking place. I wanted to see if the reactions would continue with more votes or if he would disregard it.

What did you conclude from Drixx's response or lack thereof? What would you have concluded if he did the opposite?

 

[Goryani]

Well, yes...because how can I expect AAA to defend themselves without seeing any evidence of why others are voting for them?

Why do you assume AAA needs help defending himself?

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Care to share an example state of your text file from a previous game?



Can you elaborate on the bolded? It sounds like you are saying mafia would bus one another on "certain enough" votes but not close votes yet you conclude mafia bussing on certain enough votes hide better than mafia bussing on closer votes. That seems bass ackward to me.

This is actually the first time Ive actually kept track since D1 of such things, and they actually have all gone into the exact same unsaved text file. I never turn my computer off, so I just don't bother saving it. What exactly are you asking for more information on?

Regarding the mafia bussing themselves as a hiding tool:If any mafia voted for phar to conceal themselves, the only likely suspects would have been somewhere in the first few votes, or the superfluous votes at the end(myself), simply because a mislynch seemed a reasonable possibility. Yes its much better concealment to vote for your scum friend in a close vote than an assured one, but it just seems more reasonable imo to let a mislynch happen than help make your teammate the only possible lynch target. Enough people didn't vote to keep anyones decision to not vote relatively meaningless in the event of a mislynch. Voting or lack thereof become much more meaningful once we see a flip and can attach significance to votes.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Why do you assume AAA needs help defending himself?

I don't assume he needs help. I was asked why I was more focused on the accuser than the accused....and my reason is I couldn't really expect to get much information out of the accused without some idea of why they were being accused.

 

[Goryani]

Gory:
Way to go with a good power you got. Instead of scumhunting yourself you just sit back and ask others to convince you. Sure, I get it, that's a way of scumhunting also. But saying that outright will make any scum not try to convince you too much and slip. In the end you'll use your own reasoning anyway. You'd not be Gory if you wouldn't. Unless you are scum Gory. Then you'd just try to get the most townie points. I'd vote you, but not today. The chance of lynching a townie on D1 is too high to risk the voting advantage if it is in town hands.

While admiring the coincidences (or is that ironies?), I'd like to clarify something by posing a thought experiment. As a townie, would you like to see how one person uses a double vote or would you like to see how everyone uses a double vote? In my opinion, the latter is preferable. My goal was never to let others do the work for me. I attempted to learn what everyone else would do if given a double vote. Asking everyone how they would use a double vote isn't far from asking everyone how they would use a vigilante shot. I even bribed players with a reward for responding.

I do agree with the idea that scum wouldn't name names and give reasons. Except as a last resort, which it looks like pharphis did toward the end (post 277 mentions "second vote"). I'd have given quite a few town points to anyone taking me up on the offer, provided they weren't the suspect and followed their own actions.

I also disagree with you regarding the voting advantage. A passable double vote is only as advantageous as anyone's trust in the voter. Judging by the responses to my votes, I didn't convince enough players to have any effect on D1. If I would have double voted, would things be any different? I doubt it.

The "voting advantage if it is in town hands" should be talked about since nothing guarantees the Voting Stick has ever been, is currently, or will ever be in town hands. What happens when it's given to mafia? It might be a while before they relinquish it. And if they receive it shortly before MYLO/LYLO? I consider this Voting Stick to be surprisingly helpful to mafia.

 

[Bad Ash]

@Everyone

Fill in the blanks: If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to _____ I would interpret that as a townie move. If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to _____ I would interpret that as a scum move.

I encourage no one to answer this question.

I understand Gory likes to ask people questions, but the last two pages is extremely over the top even for him. He seems to be trying very hard to throw sand in the eyes and clutter the landscape and answering his If __ youd __ questions gives him even more excuses to distract people, turn their answers on them, and get the heat off himself.

In terms of votes, the heat is very minimal and yet you are going bananas to defend yourself. You are making me want to vote for more and more with evert post you make.

 

[flubbucket1]

@Everyone

Fill in the blanks: If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to Anne Hathaway I would interpret that as a townie move. If Goryani gave the Voting Stick to Anne Heche I would interpret that as a scum move.

Okay you've got my input.

I'll be disappointed and suspicious as that isn't Laarz's style. Even during D1 he contributed more than a single post with merely a vote1.

We also get to judge Laarz on whom he gives the Vote Stick. I consider that a better judge of character since I value votes so little. One's discussion that leads to a vote is more important than the actual vote.

I see this as most significant.

I do indeed believe you wear the smarty pants, I will watch this game of three card monte closely.

 

[Laarz]

Looks like the only chance actually

vote: pharphis



Laarz: where ya been?

Fighting with a balkly computer and forum.

I disagree. I also vehemently disagree with Sathoris' opinion that the voting stick was placed in the game for the purpose of ensuring a D1 lynch.

What do you think the stick was put in the game for?

Do I have to be the one to ask the obvious question? Why Laarz? He had a total 1 post.

Actually 2 posts.

I completely diagree with you giving the stick to #1 lurker. What was your reason for that?

There's no pleasing you is there, i'm either a lurker or the village idiot, depending on how many posts I have:nod:

I post this again since I can't edit.

Gory:
And I would still like to know why you gave the voting stick to #1 lurker Laarz. You will have to anser this. I will not give up asking you this.

I'd prefer to have a bit more players weigh in on the issue before I answer (or post to show they aren't concerned about the issue), but I can't always get what I want.

The short answer: He only had 1 post.

Longer answer: Laarz was a target that fit multiple criteria.

1. I like knowing more about lurkers. Giving them an ability and seeing how/if they use it can be a good way to learn more about them.
2. I like to see if players are consistent. If Laarz received the voting stick, would players treat Laarz as they treated me? Would Sathoris? Would you? Would others?
3. Come end game, I want more information about players, rather than less. Lurker Laarz has a knack for making it till end game. Other lurkers, not so much. Noodle is frequently lynched for being a lurker (or for not being is usual lurker self) and korialstraz has been mod-killed for inactivity in the past. I felt that Laarz was more likely to make it to end game so when end game hits, we know more about Laarz rather than less.

p.s. Laarz isn't the number 1 lurker. Laarz had a post before TC warned him for not having a post.

Something I pointed out to TC.

Would not voting after having earlier said, as I did, that I didn't believe there was enough cause to vote for pharphis, have made you suspect me less? I wasn't actually going to vote for him at all except I wasn't quite certain he had 10 votes yet, so I came back to the thread at the last minute to hopefully ensure we didn't have a mislynch.

Also...my lack of a vote has everything to do with me seeking information for myself. I know I'm town. Had I voted earlier, I'd have one more person to worry about as a prime suspect right now.

Goryani: if Laarz makes one post today, and it's merely vote1: somebody vote2:same somebody, how will that tell you anything about him? It seems the most likely outcome.

You have played so many games with me that you have me alllllll figured out, huh? How do you know how I will play?

I am also disturbed by Goryani's decision to give the voting stick to Laarz. To me that screams anti-town.

Also, Noodle is unusually loud this round, I find that interesting too.

bambie, explain how this screams anti-town to you? Are you a penguin killer:scratchchin:


I would like to hear other people's thoughts on the voting stick, such as should it stay in the game?

 

[flubbucket1]

And as far as my not voting yesterday...the embarrassing story is, in short: Wifey made plans for us to go over to friends, I was in less than peak condition. Took a quick shower, said stupid yet hilarious things, made wifey mad mad mad mad mad!!! Came home late and got yelled at.


The end


(I wasn't here like I thought I would be)

 

[flubbucket1]

What do you think the stick was put in the game for?

You do realize Goryani is prone to be unconventional??

There's no pleasing you is there, i'm either a lurker or the village idiot, depending on how many posts I have:nod:

I see you more as the older smarter sister lurking in the corner watching things, while we pretty people dance.

I would like to hear other people's thoughts on the voting stick, such as should it stay in the game?

Perhaps it should be passed on to a townie next....just sayin'

 

[Goryani]

What exactly are you asking for more information on?

If you provided an example from a past game, I'd compare and contrast your reads now to the past game(s) in hopes of determining your alignment and/or truthfulness this game.

 

[Laarz]

You do realize Goryani is prone to be unconventional??


What!!

I see you more as the older smarter sister lurking in the corner watching things, while we pretty people dance.


That thing you do isn't really dancing:wink:
Perhaps it should be passed on to a townie next....just sayin'

Dont think I can give it to myself.

 

[Goryani]

I encourage no one to answer this question.

I understand Gory likes to ask people questions, but the last two pages is extremely over the top even for him. He seems to be trying very hard to throw sand in the eyes and clutter the landscape and answering his If __ youd __ questions gives him even more excuses to distract people, turn their answers on them, and get the heat off himself.

So rather than let me 'slip' by turning one's answers on them, you want no answers at all. Noted. (c wut I did their?)

In terms of votes, the heat is very minimal and yet you are going bananas to defend yourself. You are making me want to vote for more and more with evert post you make.

If by defend you mean correct incorrect facts, answer questions, give a contrary opinion when I have one, all while looking for scum, then yes I'm defending myself.

 

[Goryani]

Okay you've got my input.

Can't go wrong with either one, in my opinion. Of course, I probably can't go right, if you catch my drift, with either one so the point is moot.

What do you think the stick was put in the game for?

I'm not completely sure. The Voting Stick will be a popcorn machine the rest of the game and that may be the purpose it exists. It's something to do in twilight. I don't get the feeling other roles directly interact with the Stick or it's effect but there is always the chance of another Vala role or politician/lawyer role. I think it can theoretically benefit any and every faction. I think the "best use" will come at and just before MYLO/LYLO. MYLO/LYLO will even change days depending on which faction holds it. Unfortunately, there is no way to predict which faction will hold it, when, but mafia is best able to choose the faction of the recipient (at the expense of leaving a paper trail).

 

[Goryani]

^ Multiquote fail! The second quote was said by Laarz, not by flubbucket.

 

[djmbbandie]

A WoT from Laarz! The world must be turning upside down!

Only because I disagree with giving the voting stick to lurkers.

 

[Bad Ash]

So rather than let me 'slip' by turning one's answers on them, you want no answers at all. Noted. (c wut I did their?)



If by defend you mean correct incorrect facts, answer questions, give a contrary opinion when I have one, all while looking for scum, then yes I'm defending myself.

Questioning your use of the vote stick is defending incorrect stats? Questioning your giving the vote stick to Laarz is incorrect stats?

 

[Bad Ash]

A WoT from Laarz! The world must be turning upside down!

Only because I disagree with giving the voting stick to lurkers.

I do too, however I feel like Laarz should not be voted for today. If you put yourself in the shoes of a mafia gory, him giving the stick to a mafia laarz is just insanely risky. Too risky in fact. *if* Gory is mafia his best play is to give the stick to someone he doesnt think is mafia

 

[Drixx]

If Gory is mafia, how can he give the stick to someone he doesn't "think" is mafia? Shouldn't he know his scumbuddies in that case?

I was pretty put off by Gory's series of questions. I felt like I was being badgered the way Churchill used to handle political opponents. Goryani was under some question so his response was much like how Churchill would respond... no answers just full on offensive blitz of questions to put people on their heels.

Some of the questions might have merit and answers will probably be helpful, but the barrage makes me uneasy. One good question to get some good responses and get people to commit to positions would have been a solid town play. This barrage of questions is just overkill and it seems more like trying to move attention than a legit attempt to get good reads going.

 

[BipolarChemist]

*hugs Numbers*

You're the gosh darned cutest!