Returning to the Roots - Mini mafia game

[Goryani]

Only thing is, I was unsure of what *your* motivations were for casting that vote in the first place. Why would I hop into your train when I found the train conductor's destination questionable?

My motivation is to see how others react to my vote. That's common in all games but becomes standard in semi-open, unthemed games because so many other scumhunting methods don't work in such games.

Also, if you found my destination questionable then you know more about BA than I know (that makes you mafia). It also clashes with you trying to put more heat on BA while disagreeing with my reasons.

 

[Solar Ice]

My motivation is to see how others react to my vote. That's common in all games but becomes standard in semi-open, unthemed games because so many other scumhunting methods don't work in such games.

Also, if you found my destination questionable then you know more about BA than I know (that makes you mafia). It also clashes with you trying to put more heat on BA while disagreeing with my reasons.

I don't know if we misunderstood each other or perhaps not the best analogy in what I was trying to say but by "destination" I mean reasons.

So I questioned the reasons for your vote. And why not? Do you disagree that they looked flimsy, off the bat and most importantly, very much reminiscent of Assasin in the Castle, when you were Mafia? Did you expect me not to call you out about that? But you are implying that by not following your train at that specific time, I am acting about trying to pressure BA and that I am Mafia. Bad Ash had your vote as well as my opinion of him being completely LAMIST (which still stands). I felt that to be enough without blindly going along with someone who I was suspicious of - yet not dismissive of.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Vote: Philli

Talking, but not about this game. A good way to appear visible and yet stay hidden.

This is a very weak vote, seriously? I was just interested in how we would have lost, because I couldn't think of any way we could have at that point. Pure curiosity. And yes, I am going to participate in discussion. I just find it overwhelming the first day because of all of the crazy theories flying round. I like to wait a while to find one which I think is the most plausible.

Someone wants to vote but not participate in discussion... and admits it.

I don't "want" to vote, I think that's very misleading. I was just explaining why I'm not voting, and if you read my response to someone else (not sure who it was) who was wondering why I explained why I didn't vote then that should clear it up. Not going to repeat myself for such a silly call-out. And I do and will participate in discussion, it's just that there wasn't much to begin with and I've just returned from a refreshing nap.

Sorry for having a life outside of mafia.

I didn't even really do the things you said, but whatever. If you rally think that me "lurking" is a scum tell, then okay I guess.

My list:

Gory: first vote is a bit troubling
Phil: he's felt scummy all game, can't exactly put it to words, but it's there past what others have said.
Solar: omgus if you will, but it's a piss poor reason to vote for me and he knows it.

I don't think it's fair I'm on a scumlist considering you can't even put your suspicions into words. I await a good explanation, not something based off of other people's weak reasoning.

 

[Caluin Graye]

23 hours remain in this day phase.

Ankeli (1): Moar
Phillinicus (1): Ankeli
kestegs (1): Solar Ice
Moar (1): Goryani

Five to lock + lynch.

 

[Kestegs]

I'm not required to divulge all of my suspicions....deal with it.

 

[Kestegs]

It's possible to show interest without voting, you know.

I think that was my point.

 

[Moar]

This is a very weak vote, seriously? I was just interested in how we would have lost, because I couldn't think of any way we could have at that point. Pure curiosity. And yes, I am going to participate in discussion. I just find it overwhelming the first day because of all of the crazy theories flying round. I like to wait a while to find one which I think is the most plausible.


I don't "want" to vote, I think that's very misleading. I was just explaining why I'm not voting, and if you read my response to someone else (not sure who it was) who was wondering why I explained why I didn't vote then that should clear it up. Not going to repeat myself for such a silly call-out. And I do and will participate in discussion, it's just that there wasn't much to begin with and I've just returned from a refreshing nap.


I don't think it's fair I'm on a scumlist considering you can't even put your suspicions into words. I await a good explanation, not something based off of other people's weak reasoning.

You said nothing about either the game or the participant's behaviour in that statement either.

Time to remove my random vote.
Unvote: Ankeli

I don't understand why Gory went after me. I was stating that my assuption of the best town combo was based on the goon killing, then reading the mafiascum entry that said the role cop can kill even though the goon was alive. Then CG said that only the goon can kill while alive.

Kestegs is my main suspect right now. He says about nothing and replies "sharp" (don't find a better word) without saying anything really.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I don't like how kestegs says he has suspicions of me but doesn't divulge on them, and then says that I should deal with it.
Pretty silly if you ask me.

Vote: kestegs

 

[Zokar1]

Mafia actions are not limited by their numbers. In other words, so long as the rolecop is alive, mafia may use both abilities each night.

The goon performs the kills if he is alive.

So, if we have a jailer and the jailer happens to target the goon, then mafia can't kill that night?

 

[Zokar1]

I don't like how kestegs says he has suspicions of me but doesn't divulge on them, and then says that I should deal with it.
Pretty silly if you ask me.

Vote: kestegs

So are you voting for him because he's not answering in the way you want or because you actually think he's mafia?

 

[Moar]

I don't like how kestegs says he has suspicions of me but doesn't divulge on them, and then says that I should deal with it.
Pretty silly if you ask me.

Vote: kestegs

I don't like this right after I said that kestegs was my prime suspect.

 

[Moar]

I should have more reason in last post. It comes now. In the same post I voted kestegs I quoted your last post saying that you did not really said a thing. Instead of commenting on that you just conviniently picked up on kestegs with a comment from before to fit in nicely right after my comment on kestegs.

 

[Phillinnicus]

That was just bad timing on my part. I don't like how kestegs isn't answering my question, it leads me to believe he is just trying to come up with a weak scumlist to direct attention away from him. I vote him because I suspect him to be mafia.

 

[Goryani]

I don't know if we misunderstood each other or perhaps not the best analogy in what I was trying to say but by "destination" I mean reasons.

Destination means target. Bandwagon has to go somewhere. That somewhere, or destination, is the person lynched.

So I questioned the reasons for your vote. And why not?

There is a reason it's called Random Vote Stage. It's supposed to be done at random. With no reason or bad reasons or joke reasons given.

Do you disagree that they looked flimsy, off the bat and most importantly, very much reminiscent of Assasin in the Castle, when you were Mafia?

Flimsy was the plan. I think I succeeded. Copying my actions in Assassin in the Castle was the plan. I think I succeeded.

Did you expect me not to call you out about that?

Actually, yes. I thought you would be more interested in why or to see who else participates rather than a give a generic "you did that before as mafia" implication. I'm a little bummed that anyone who got the reference to Assassin in the Castle thought I made a "slip" instead of an intentional act.

But you are implying that by not following your train at that specific time, I am acting about trying to pressure BA and that I am Mafia. Bad Ash had your vote as well as my opinion of him being completely LAMIST (which still stands). I felt that to be enough without blindly going along with someone who I was suspicious of - yet not dismissive of.

I found it strange that you call me out for voting BA (tacit support for BA) while in the same post you put pressure on BA. I noticed the contradiction, which looked scummy to me. It's a way of hedging bets. It looks like you are pretending to scumhunt (talk about typical scumhunting subjects) without caring about the outcomes of the scumhunting.

 

[Goryani]

This is a very weak vote, seriously? I was just interested in how we would have lost, because I couldn't think of any way we could have at that point. Pure curiosity. And yes, I am going to participate in discussion. I just find it overwhelming the first day because of all of the crazy theories flying round. I like to wait a while to find one which I think is the most plausible.

Were you overwhelmed in GOTASOIAF? What crazy theories are flying about this game?

I don't "want" to vote, I think that's very misleading. I was just explaining why I'm not voting, and if you read my response to someone else (not sure who it was) who was wondering why I explained why I didn't vote then that should clear it up. Not going to repeat myself for such a silly call-out. And I do and will participate in discussion, it's just that there wasn't much to begin with and I've just returned from a refreshing nap.

Not voting isn't why I quoted and responded to you. It was the "not participate in discussion" bit I thought was most important. You wanted others to talk and potentially slip up yet you didn't seem eager to talk (and potentially slip) yourself.

 

[Goryani]

I don't understand why Gory went after me. I was stating that my assuption of the best town combo was based on the goon killing, then reading the mafiascum entry that said the role cop can kill even though the goon was alive. Then CG said that only the goon can kill while alive.

You seem to possess accurate knowledge of the game setup only mafia should know.

Why did you equate goon with hitman? I don't believe you've been mafia in a game where goon = hitman . I'm not sure we've had games with a hitman since you've re-joined. To me, goon doesn't imply hitman. Reading the links you said you read doesn't equate good with hitman (and contradicts it). Yet we find out from CG that goon = hitman.

 

[Kestegs]

I don't think it's fair I'm on a scumlist considering you can't even put your suspicions into words. I await a good explanation, not something based off of other people's weak reasoning.

As I love to tell my kids: Life's not fair.

And dude, it's a D1 scumlist, it's nothing to get bent out of shape about. I put 3 players on it, that means that at least 1 of them is a townie since we know there are only 2 mafia.

I don't like how kestegs says he has suspicions of me but doesn't divulge on them, and then says that I should deal with it.
Pretty silly if you ask me.

Vote: kestegs

Okay, I'll give you a bit more info then, since it's now available. My original post putting you on my scumlist is accurate I did find your play scummy, but didn't really have much to nail it down. What I got from you was a complete blow up from me putting you on a list of people I've found scummy so far and you continually pushing the issue making sure that everyone knows that I put you on a list without just cause. guilty conscience.

That was just bad timing on my part. I don't like how kestegs isn't answering my question, it leads me to believe he is just trying to come up with a weak scumlist to direct attention away from him. I vote him because I suspect him to be mafia.

Yes, it was bad timing. You were trying to get a train rolling while you thought you had momentum.


Vote: Phillinnicus

 

[Kestegs]

You seem to possess accurate knowledge of the game setup only mafia should know.

Why did you equate goon with hitman? I don't believe you've been mafia in a game where goon = hitman . I'm not sure we've had games with a hitman since you've re-joined. To me, goon doesn't imply hitman. Reading the links you said you read doesn't equate good with hitman (and contradicts it). Yet we find out from CG that goon = hitman.

I can agree that I also have never associated goon with hitman.

 

[Zokar1]

Putting some quotes here because I am lazy and don't want to keep looking them all up:

Didn't think about that. I assumed the goon was the killer as long as he lived. Checked the link from the other thread and it says there that the role cop can do both no matter if the goon is alive.

Also true. I need to think this though again. Obviously didn't work earlier with my sleep-deprived brain.

Mafia actions are not limited by their numbers. In other words, so long as the rolecop is alive, mafia may use both abilities each night.

The goon performs the kills if he is alive.

What other thread are you referring to?

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?795323-Forum-mafia-statistics-and-awards/page44

Link to mafiascum is on that page.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Goon
A Goon is a member of the Mafia with no special abilities. It is the Mafia-aligned equivalent of Vanilla Townie.
This is not to say that Goons are powerless - they have access to their Mafia's factional kill and factional chat.

Whoa. Especially the goon = hitman part.

I'm reading the links and they say the opposite:
"The Mafia Role Cop is allowed to both submit the nightkill and perform his Role Cop action, no matter whether the Goon is dead or not; see this thread, among others, for discussion on the matter."

The bolded is the important part. It's opposite of what you said and what CG posted.

Unvote: Bad Ash
Vote: Moar

I was stating that my assuption of the best town combo was based on the goon killing, then reading the mafiascum entry that said the role cop can kill even though the goon was alive. Then CG said that only the goon can kill while alive.

You seem to possess accurate knowledge of the game setup only mafia should know.

Why did you equate goon with hitman? I don't believe you've been mafia in a game where goon = hitman . I'm not sure we've had games with a hitman since you've re-joined. To me, goon doesn't imply hitman. Reading the links you said you read doesn't equate good with hitman (and contradicts it). Yet we find out from CG that goon = hitman.

Vote: Moar

 

[Bad Ash]

This is funny. We needed to get back to basics.

I am hung over and in pain and gonna think I want to vote for Philly

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