Gods of Ancient Greece. Forum mafia game.

[thefranklin]

^ Adding to the above.

Bodyguards can either die directly or from saving their target. A mafia bodyguard would probably save one of their own. A non-elite mafia bodyguard might leave a killer alive who knows the identity of the likely-mafioso CG tried to protect. Any killer have their target switched on N2?

Also, presence of a mafia bodyguard would present STRONG indications as to the powers of the non-mafia. And those powers include the ability to kill mafia during the night. What conclusion would those mafia come to? SK fustercluck? Mental note to look at those players.

Are you purposefully dancing around the idea of multiple mafia factions? Or by non-mafia you mean non-town as well?

 

[korialstraz]

Edit to above: "confirm" not "fonfirm"

 

[Goryani]

Sorry to interrupt the Gory-CG love fest...
I feel that Gory's quoted post is probably the reason for a revive, if the reviver be town.

I hate to be wrong period, but I especially hate to be wrong to the point that someone revives a mafia based on my opinion.

Please elaborate, for the town, all the things that must be true in order for CG and I to be working together as you imply.

And CG comes in and confirms Gory's towniness. Excellent.

If CG is mafia, that's a pretty slick move. If others are convinced of my towniness he gets to tag along. If I get lynched first he gets townie points for being right. If he gets lynched first, I get drug along in the aftermath (scum by association). I've done similar things as mafia before (just look at the last game).

Someone had to have targeted CG or whomever CG protected, and I doubt he protected a town, and there was two extra kills in spite of that (FoE did not return "Elite Bodyguard". And none of the extra kills appeared to be off the "helping the town" variety.

I count three extra deaths, not two. How did you arrive at the two extra kills conclusion?

 

[Goryani]

Really? This is how you're going to settle our vendetta? That's just... rude.

I thought your vendetta was with Ankeli.

I don't know how you got the right name and role result, but wrong alignment. My only thought is that you're lying. But I'm not sure why you'd do that.

Right role result would mean you aren't an elite bodyguard.

 

[pharphis]

I thought your vendetta was with Ankeli.



Right role result would mean you aren't an elite bodyguard.

ouuuuuuuuu burn

 

[Caluin Graye]

I thought your vendetta was with Ankeli.

It is. FoE has one against me.

Right role result would mean you aren't an elite bodyguard.

TC has traditionally shortened names of roles. In the past, he's referred to Rolecop, Cop, and Namecop all as just "cop".

My role states I am a bodyguard. I function like an elite bodyguard, but with some restrictions.

 

[Goryani]

Are you purposefully dancing around the idea of multiple mafia factions? Or by non-mafia you mean non-town as well?

The bolded "non-mafia" meant "players not in their own mafia." Anyone aligned with a mafia bodyguard would see roles which necessitate a mafia bodyguard as enemies and threats.

 

[Goryani]

@FoE - Did you expect to receive an alignment along with the role?

 

[thefranklin]

I hate to be wrong period, but I especially hate to be wrong to the point that someone revives a mafia based on my opinion.

1. Please elaborate, for the town, all the things that must be true in order for CG and I to be working together as you imply.



3. If CG is mafia, that's a pretty slick move. If others are convinced of my towniness he gets to tag along. If I get lynched first he gets townie points for being right. If he gets lynched first, I get drug along in the aftermath (scum by association). I've done similar things as mafia before (just look at the last game).



2. I count three extra deaths, not two. How did you arrive at the two extra kills conclusion?

I put numbers in your quote so it is easier to know what I am responding to.

1. You and CG just have to be scum. Plain and simple. I don't know if you knew that someone could get revived, and that part doesn't have to be true. You were stating yesterday that CG was town and SI was scum, and I was just pointing that out.

2. Sorry, 2 extra kills assumes 2 different mafia factions of some sort. I am thinking in my head that one mafia may have withheld a nightkill N0 (or is it N1? I don't know how it is supposed to be numbered) because they knew there was probably another faction and they knew they had an additional kill. As for last night, well I can't explain that. We really need to get a lynch so we can see if there is a faction listed for scum.

3. Yes, it could be a WIFOM made connection.

 

[Zokar1]

I put numbers in your quote so it is easier to know what I am responding to.

1. You and CG just have to be scum. Plain and simple. I don't know if you knew that someone could get revived, and that part doesn't have to be true. You were stating yesterday that CG was town and SI was scum, and I was just pointing that out.

2. Sorry, 2 extra kills assumes 2 different mafia factions of some sort. I am thinking in my head that one mafia may have withheld a nightkill N0 (or is it N1? I don't know how it is supposed to be numbered) because they knew there was probably another faction and they knew they had an additional kill. As for last night, well I can't explain that. We really need to get a lynch so we can see if there is a faction listed for scum.

3. Yes, it could be a WIFOM made connection.

As to your point 1) as it relates to me, how do you see this connection playing out. On the verge of me getting lynched, Gory unvotes me and in the process almost gets lynched himself (which seems to be pretty solid townie move). Do you see this as a conflicting action with your notion that he is scum and not town? Do you see this as a scum gambit to gain "towniness"? Do you think both of us are in on this together in some sort of grand conspiracy? Perhaps something else? I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on this, it's starting to get intricate/complicated here to me.

 

[FredOfErik]

@FoE - Did you expect to receive an alignment along with the role?

Yes, I did.

 

[Goryani]

Yes, I did.

Would that mean you autopsied his role as bodyguard and his alignment as mafia? When I first read your claim I made the connection that you received CG's role as "Mafia Bodyguard" and didn't receive a specific alignment.

 

[Kestegs]

I almost want to suggest that you roll a dice to decide if you want to target me tonight and I'll watch myself and tell you if you did. That would give you a pretty darn good indication of my claim. But seriously, do we really want to do such a thing and waste the opportunity to get useful information? Ugh.... If there is popular support for it, then I can do that I guess.

Well, foe mentioned this also, but I'm suspicious of why you would assume he has a non violent targeting role.

 

[FredOfErik]

Would that mean you autopsied his role as bodyguard and his alignment as mafia? When I first read your claim I made the connection that you received CG's role as "Mafia Bodyguard" and didn't receive a specific alignment.

I received name, role and alignment.

Role was stated as Mafia Bodyguard, alignment as Anti-town.

 

[Kestegs]

I received name, role and alignment.

Role was stated as Mafia Bodyguard, alignment as Anti-town.

That makes sense to me, I thought that was a normal amount of information for a coroner to receive.

 

[thefranklin]

As to your point 1) as it relates to me, how do you see this connection playing out. On the verge of me getting lynched, Gory unvotes me and in the process almost gets lynched himself (which seems to be pretty solid townie move). Do you see this as a conflicting action with your notion that he is scum and not town? Do you see this as a scum gambit to gain "towniness"? Do you think both of us are in on this together in some sort of grand conspiracy? Perhaps something else? I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on this, it's starting to get intricate/complicated here to me.

Who said Gory's unvote was a town move? That's right, CG. I already voiced my question in post 576 and no one really responded. I feel it robbed the town of information. Last game I locked SI in the waning minutes of a day, and was wrong. I got the feeling that Gory was baiting someone to do the same, and if he flipped scum, it could be used against said person as "bussing." If he is town, there is no reason to put anyone into that situation. He gave us no choice, but alas I was not there to lynch and apparently no one else was, either.

I don't think there is a town watcher. I have no problem believing you are a watcher and even believing you are watching whom you say you are. I highly disagree with you withholding results for no good reason (your reason is not good, sorry) and especially for trying to bait the town into testing that you are a watcher, allowing you to pick off a useful town power role. And if you were town, you would have watched Gory again to see what would happen, and disclosed those results quite early in the day. Since you did not do that, I highly doubt you are town.

 

[Zokar1]

Well, foe mentioned this also, but I'm suspicious of why you would assume he has a non violent targeting role.

That was me speaking before thinking it through, I was trying to think of a way to address concerns about my claim. While I was talking specifically to him, I was thinking in general terms. I was thinking that somebody could do that, but I failed at saying it that way and it came off as me possibly knowing something about him that I didn't. Still not a good idea anyway.

 

[Zokar1]

Who said Gory's unvote was a town move? That's right, CG. I already voiced my question in post 576 and no one really responded. I feel it robbed the town of information. Last game I locked SI in the waning minutes of a day, and was wrong. I got the feeling that Gory was baiting someone to do the same, and if he flipped scum, it could be used against said person as "bussing." If he is town, there is no reason to put anyone into that situation. He gave us no choice, but alas I was not there to lynch and apparently no one else was, either.

I don't think there is a town watcher. I have no problem believing you are a watcher and even believing you are watching whom you say you are. I highly disagree with you withholding results for no good reason (your reason is not good, sorry) and especially for trying to bait the town into testing that you are a watcher, allowing you to pick off a useful town power role. And if you were town, you would have watched Gory again to see what would happen, and disclosed those results quite early in the day. Since you did not do that, I highly doubt you are town.

Maybe that's what you would do. I'm not you. I have my reasons for picking who I pick and revealing what I do. You don't like it. I acknowledge that, but I'm going to listen to my gut on this.

 

[Goryani]

1. You and CG just have to be scum. Plain and simple. I don't know if you knew that someone could get revived, and that part doesn't have to be true. You were stating yesterday that CG was town and SI was scum, and I was just pointing that out.

"You just have to be scum." Nice elaboration.

I'd disagree that we both have to be scum, but then I already know I'm not. And please to read what I wrote. I gave an opinion based on their D1 behavior. I neither stated that CG was town nor that SI was scum. By the way, I first pointed out my opinion of CG during D1 - BEFORE he was night killed (post 324).

2. Sorry, 2 extra kills assumes 2 different mafia factions of some sort. I am thinking in my head that one mafia may have withheld a nightkill N0 (or is it N1? I don't know how it is supposed to be numbered) because they knew there was probably another faction and they knew they had an additional kill. As for last night, well I can't explain that. We really need to get a lynch so we can see if there is a faction listed for scum.

Are you suspicious of anyone who doesn't first think of two mafia factions or do you just like going after me first?

 

[Kestegs]

Who said Gory's unvote was a town move? That's right, CG. I already voiced my question in post 576 and no one really responded. I feel it robbed the town of information. Last game I locked SI in the waning minutes of a day, and was wrong. I got the feeling that Gory was baiting someone to do the same, and if he flipped scum, it could be used against said person as "bussing." If he is town, there is no reason to put anyone into that situation. He gave us no choice, but alas I was not there to lynch and apparently no one else was, either.

I don't think there is a town watcher. I have no problem believing you are a watcher and even believing you are watching whom you say you are. I highly disagree with you withholding results for no good reason (your reason is not good, sorry) and especially for trying to bait the town into testing that you are a watcher, allowing you to pick off a useful town power role. And if you were town, you would have watched Gory again to see what would happen, and disclosed those results quite early in the day. Since you did not do that, I highly doubt you are town.

How do you know he didn't watch gory again?