Gods of Ancient Greece. Forum mafia game.

[ThunderCat]

I am now confirming that Caluin Graye is locked.

 

[Bad Ash]

I am still wanting to vote for gory in the future.

Not claiming when he was about to be lynched is the main sticking point. Then, today, he claims Xena. Which he could have easily said close to a lynch and had no negative repercussions. Now he says he has "X-shot abilities" and is still refusing to divulge the information when revealing such should make him a high priority nk leaving all information lost in the void. None of this is townie behaviour in my eyes.

I am happy to see CG lynched. I did not expect it to go this quickly, but Cronos is not a player who should be town to begin with. I would have of course voted for him if I wasnt at work/ sleeping since my last post. If that comes back to bite me, so be it, but I did not withhold from voting CG for any reason.

Now we need to evaluate whether cronos is anti-town (if he flips that way which if he was town should be giving his information on who and what he thinks moving forward) if he was anti-town due to a random draw, or if he was anti-town because he has an anti-town name.

My gut tells me its fully randomized, but throwing some votes at Pharphis might not hurt in the future. I respect the boldness of claiming, and don't want it to demise a townie, but a part of me wonders if he realized he was going to have to claim anyways. Then again, it seems like coming up with a fake would be very easy if he had excess information in this game, but maybe didnt want to take a chance at picking someone elses. WIFOM indeed.

 

[Kestegs]

Is that why you locked me? So you could safely ask about my restriction?

I don't have one. I simply wanted to see who would ask about it. Mafia dislike not knowing things that can them killed.

I would just like to go on record as saying that I did in fact refute FoE. I am fairly certain I'm not a "nobody" just yet.

I don't have much else to add. I've given the info I know, and you have my scum reads. What else would you like me to comment on?

I meant anybody besides the accused. You don't count. Sorry.

 

[Caluin Graye]

I meant anybody besides the accused. You don't count. Sorry.

That's lynchism.

 

[Zokar1]

I almost posted a 3/5th joke... close call!

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I'm starting to love my job more and more each day....going to get caught up now. This is the first time I've been able to "read" read the thread since my post earlier.

 

[thefranklin]

1. Do you think I would intentionally get myself lynched in order to make it easier to accuse someone of bussing? Is such a trade - kill one mafia to put suspicion on another player - more or less likely to result in a mafia win?


2. I gave every non-voter and every Zokar-voter a chance to vote for me. You have a funny definition of no choice. Are you sure you didn't mean: He gave mafia no choice lest they be accused of placing the lynching vote on a townie?


3. Who did you expect to target me last night? Mafia hitman? Mafia power role? Town power role? Do you think a watcher should choose to abandon the traditional watcher goal (expose the mafia hitman by watching their target) in order to see if I can be targeted at night?

1. How do I know what powers mafia has? One just rose up from the dead a second ago. One lynch has already failed. . I don't see your unvote as a scum move, but I sure as heck don't think you are so town for it.

2. I was being realistic, there was a half hour left in the day.

3. Now you just opened up an ole can of worms. If you are town, yes I would expect a mafia hitman knocking at your door. Aren't you one of the stronger, if not the strongest, players left? Maybe even by far? If he had chosen to watch you, I would have been in full support. You could have been nk'd with the same odds as the next guy, in fact even higher. Who else would mafia NK? Or, why can't he check to see if you can be targeted? If you can't be targeted once, maybe something else happened that you didn't know about, I get that. But if it happened twice, I sure as heck would say something is up. If you had been untargetable again last night, I would not believe you at all saying you have no clue what happened. Something would be up and you dang well would know about it.

Also on this subject, if we ever confirm Zokar's alliance, I would have to think who NK'd ML last night would not be on the same team as Zokar (if Z turns out to be scum) or it was a redirected kill. I had ML at the top of my scum list for his non-contributive behavior. He stopped by to chastise people for their votes and then did not offer a vote himself. Plus I already layed my other suspicions on him Day 1. If the ML kill wasn't redirected, it was chosen because there was next to zero possibility Zokar would watch him again.

You didn't really answer his question.

To add my own question: What would watching Gory and claiming results before FoE have to do with FoE's claim on CG and my alignment?

Nothing at all. FoE came out with his claim a good distance into the day, and once that happened there wasn't really any reason to do much else. I referenced it as a unit of time. Why are you trying to confuse things with that bs question?

That response really doesn't make sense to me. Please try again.

Please try thinking again. Don't blame me for your lack of understanding. It was an assumption that so far stands valid. See my thoughts above, point 3 paragraph 1 to Gory. It doesn't bug you that Gory was untargetable without his knowledge of it?

 

[Zokar1]

Nothing at all. FoE came out with his claim a good distance into the day, and once that happened there wasn't really any reason to do much else. I referenced it as a unit of time. Why are you trying to confuse things with that bs question?

Your reply was in response to a question related to my ability at which point you reference both FoE's claim and my alignment.
Your reference implied that you might be assuming a connection, so I asked about it.
How is that BS?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I'm going to make all of you remember what was said earlier today, I know its hard.

Sadly, I lost all of those

I only have the game with most mod kills, most games hosted and two games where mafia haven't lost a single member.

I wants more.

You cants have more! Not unless you host more games that is!

Nor do I... unless he knew he was immune, or as we see today could be revived, or was testing out a gambit to make sure everybody thinks he's town to provide him security to the end of the game... none of these things I would say couldn't be the case.

That being said, it personally felt like he was testing me and was either satisfied I was being honest or wanted more time to test me out, not sure which.

He was testing you an awfully long time before he became "satisfied" as you say, with only 1/2 hour left before unvoting I'm not sure how much you can call that a test.

I don't think all of his posts are spam lol
But yeah, those ones are unless there's something cryptic in them.

There's nothing cryptic about them, its pretty much word for word (or damn close at least) part of the song from the series. Hes done the song everyday though so it has to be either some sort of restriction, relates to his role, or hes just doing it for the hell of it.

Am I Apollo? Who did you watch last night?

This just seems like a weird question to ask...What does someone calling you Apollo have to do with who Zokar watched?

If somebody says they performed some action on somebody and that somebody is the same somebody as the person I watched, then...

Well if this isn't convoluted I don't know what is, but after reading it a couple times I know what it means. I r smart. The thing that doesn't make sense about this is that those who are performing night actions which they don't want to be seen aren't going to claim them. I understand the premise of your thought process from the quick read I did earlier but you are still on very shakey ground in my opinion.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Yes. Though not for a while.



If a role can self-revive (snozberry kid from SuperTroopers game), it's usually a townie. If a role can revive others (Daniel Jackson from the first Stargate game was a reviver with a twist) then the reviver is usually townie but it's possible they revive a mafia.

So now that CG has been locked, maybe I can ask you for your thoughts on this, if CG flips town how likely is it that the reviver is town, if CG flips mafia how likely is it that the reviver is mafia. Do you think we will be able to connect anything from this after his flip?

I'm Xena. I assume of the Lucy Lawless variety cause I don't know of any other.

Lucy Lawless, shes still around you know. Not doing anything exciting thats for damn sure though.

I am Prometheus.

It's ballsy to call out Hades, as he isnt usually associated with anything good, but rather is the enemy in many main stream medias. (even though thats not really how the greeks described him, he was justdoing his job.

Zokar, there's no point in not telling who you watched, and given that response I'm most likely going to vote for you today instead of Goryani. Moar is probably immune today so tha's a no go as well.

Was this you calling out Hades? I must have missed the rest of that call out.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

+1 to Gory/CG connection.

I also agree on the last bit. That also strongly suggests several anti-town fractions, as a vigi would most likely have come forward if he had a succesful scum hit. This however, still leaves two kills unaccounted for, and only a single NK both N1 and last night also looks weird if we assume several anti-town fractions.

If we are to believe CGs claim that he had no access to a dead thread, this means that one of these two cases are relevant:

1. there is no dead thread. seems unlikely to me, never seen it before.
2. CG didn't get to visit the dead thread as TC knew there was a chance he would be revived. If this is the case it sounds to me that the resurrector is also anti-town (dead players from that fraction does not go to the dead thread, as if their teammate and resurrector is still alive they have the possibility to be revived). This sounds like a quite powerful anti-town fraction (several PRs - at least resurrector and bodyguard), but given the also quite powerful roleclaims we've had (especially myself and moar) it does not sound too unlikely to me.

If there was a town vig kill and they didn't hit scum, how likely do you think they are to claim it openly in the thread?

Also, just a comment on #2 I think in terms of a game standpoint, if the resurrector is also anti-town unless the resurrection was limited to only reviving one of their own teamates (even though them resurrecting someone not on their team is highly unlikely), then no one should have had access to the dead thread until the resurrection was used to maintain fairness.

At this point, nothing. There is still some push for my lynch, so I can see myself dead either by town or if that dies down in the next couple days, then by mafia. But why the threat? Everything you post makes me think scum and this post even more so.

The way this is worded it makes it sound like your hoping the entire debacle yesterday is just going to blow over and then you'll automatically be on the safe side again.

yet another person high up on my radar. if I were mafia, I would have not only not claimed at all, I would have probably kept my mouth shut as much as possible and just pass the watcher info along in the mafia thread, why even bother coming out with anything at all? It's not like I would need to if I were mafia.. your argument just like CG's and Ankeli feel week, shallow and transparent.

If you were mafia, you would have used whatever claim was available to you through your kills, which is what makes you less believable since you claimed at a time that you had no information that was imperative to give to the town, thats the sticking point that is difficult to get past for most of the people in this thread I would think. Mafia having a watcher doesn't make much sense at all, so if your mafia your not the watcher, and if your town you probably are the watcher.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

If I was mafia claiming a watcher role trying to fit in as a "confirmed" townie then instead of being elusive and not trying to give out information, wouldn't it make sense to give out some information? I mean, if I'm mafia, then one would presume that mafia probably have some powers. I could have one of them target me if it's not a lethal ability have me watch myself and give the other mafia the opportunity to fake claim some positive town aligned ability and we could start messing things up, but what actually happened? ... exactly.

You have the results from N1 and N2 and a partial on N3. Nothing useful came from it except the whole not able to use that ability on Goryani thing which is interesting but I don't know how useful it is other than suggesting he was commuted or is otherwise investigation immune somehow.

Ok, after getting through the next few pages, I realize that you and Korial have already gone back and forth about 10 times so I'm sorry if points are getting repeated, its hard when you can't check in at all times during the day and actually take the time to respond.

The point still stands however that there is a difference between "playing" confirmed townie and actually being confirmed townie, and where you are right now is neither. After all of the posting yesterday I'm still inclined to put you on the unknown to not trusting list.

I almost want to suggest that you roll a dice to decide if you want to target me tonight and I'll watch myself and tell you if you did. That would give you a pretty darn good indication of my claim. But seriously, do we really want to do such a thing and waste the opportunity to get useful information? Ugh.... If there is popular support for it, then I can do that I guess.

This is pretty much the worst idea ever imagined...

There is no in game connection between us (mason, mafia, lovers, etc). It appears we are from the same genre - a genre not entirely meshing with most of the other players - but I don't yet understand the significance of that (or even if it's true). Since I saw my role, I wasn't surprised to see other characters from the Hercules/Xena TV shows.

It seems strange that out of everyone so far you two (and Hercules or Hercales or whatever) are the only ones related to that specific genre of Greek mythology. Maybe we will understand more once Laarz actually comes forward with his claim.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I hate to be wrong period, but I especially hate to be wrong to the point that someone revives a mafia based on my opinion.

For some reason whenever someone thinks your town you seem to have a lot a pull in these games. I wonder why that is...

If CG is mafia, that's a pretty slick move. If others are convinced of my towniness he gets to tag along. If I get lynched first he gets townie points for being right. If he gets lynched first, I get drug along in the aftermath (scum by association). I've done similar things as mafia before (just look at the last game).

That is a pretty slick move, however its hard to provide an argument against something like that. How would you defend yourself in a situation like that?

Who said Gory's unvote was a town move? That's right, CG. I already voiced my question in post 576 and no one really responded. I feel it robbed the town of information. Last game I locked SI in the waning minutes of a day, and was wrong. I got the feeling that Gory was baiting someone to do the same, and if he flipped scum, it could be used against said person as "bussing." If he is town, there is no reason to put anyone into that situation. He gave us no choice, but alas I was not there to lynch and apparently no one else was, either.

I don't think there is a town watcher. I have no problem believing you are a watcher and even believing you are watching whom you say you are. I highly disagree with you withholding results for no good reason (your reason is not good, sorry) and especially for trying to bait the town into testing that you are a watcher, allowing you to pick off a useful town power role. And if you were town, you would have watched Gory again to see what would happen, and disclosed those results quite early in the day. Since you did not do that, I highly doubt you are town.

I'm going to have to disagree on this, if I were a town watcher I would not have wasted my ability trying to watch someone that I already received an "unable to watch" or whatever response back from. Also based on the day befores activity I would find it highly unlikely for Goryani to be targeted for a nightkill just based on a WIFOM standpoint. You can't tell me, that based on yesterdays outcome if CG hadn't been resurected and FoE had come forward with his results that we wouldn't be discussing the same exact thing as yesterday by both Zokar and Gory still being alive. My ability would be better served watching someone who I thought would be targeted for a nightkill which is the purpose of the watcher.

That was me speaking before thinking it through, I was trying to think of a way to address concerns about my claim. While I was talking specifically to him, I was thinking in general terms. I was thinking that somebody could do that, but I failed at saying it that way and it came off as me possibly knowing something about him that I didn't. Still not a good idea anyway.

That will get you in trouble you know. Speak thinking, or think speaking.

 

[pharphis]

Studying all day, and studying all day tomorrow (at least until the end of the day).

I'll probably read everything in the morning, but I'm waiting for Laarz to claim anyway.
Luckily, vote changes aren't needed.

There was a question or 2 I haven't answered yet but I'm waiting for the same reason.

 

[Laarz]

So what is your connection with Laarz then? Given he keeps on referencing Joxer the mighty who I assume from googling is from Xena.

@Laarz: Two posts today after mass role claim and you haven't claimed yet. Why?

I guess I dont run on caketime

updated it with Pyro's claim. Still no claim from Laarz .....


Sleeping, you should have called and woke me

@ everyone: I can't really post from work anymore. We've had a reshuffle of desk allignment, and my boss has full view of my screen now ..... I'll post my thoughts in the morning and at night.

Horrible... you didn't capitalize Hestia and you didn't sort Pyro in his proper place... for shame!!!
Let me fix that for you



Also... notice that TF, CG both have the only characters that don't have the letter 'e' in the name and if Laarz is Apollo like I think he may very well be, he'd be the third... if there is a dead scum, that could round out the group!

/UBER_TIN_FOIL_HAT :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes:

If you haven't figured out who I am:crazyeyes:

1. How do I know what powers mafia has? One just rose up from the dead a second ago. One lynch has already failed. . I don't see your unvote as a scum move, but I sure as heck don't think you are so town for it.

2. I was being realistic, there was a half hour left in the day.

3. Now you just opened up an ole can of worms. If you are town, yes I would expect a mafia hitman knocking at your door. Aren't you one of the stronger, if not the strongest, players left? Maybe even by far? If he had chosen to watch you, I would have been in full support. You could have been nk'd with the same odds as the next guy, in fact even higher. Who else would mafia NK? Or, why can't he check to see if you can be targeted? If you can't be targeted once, maybe something else happened that you didn't know about, I get that. But if it happened twice, I sure as heck would say something is up. If you had been untargetable again last night, I would not believe you at all saying you have no clue what happened. Something would be up and you dang well would know about it.

Also on this subject, if we ever confirm Zokar's alliance, I would have to think who NK'd ML last night would not be on the same team as Zokar (if Z turns out to be scum) or it was a redirected kill. I had ML at the top of my scum list for his non-contributive behavior. He stopped by to chastise people for their votes and then did not offer a vote himself. Plus I already layed my other suspicions on him Day 1. If the ML kill wasn't redirected, it was chosen because there was next to zero possibility Zokar would watch him again.



Nothing at all. FoE came out with his claim a good distance into the day, and once that happened there wasn't really any reason to do much else. I referenced it as a unit of time. Why are you trying to confuse things with that bs question?



Please try thinking again. Don't blame me for your lack of understanding. It was an assumption that so far stands valid. See my thoughts above, point 3 paragraph 1 to Gory. It doesn't bug you that Gory was untargetable without his knowledge of it?

Ok, after getting through the next few pages, I realize that you and Korial have already gone back and forth about 10 times so I'm sorry if points are getting repeated, its hard when you can't check in at all times during the day and actually take the time to respond.

The point still stands however that there is a difference between "playing" confirmed townie and actually being confirmed townie, and where you are right now is neither. After all of the posting yesterday I'm still inclined to put you on the unknown to not trusting list.



This is pretty much the worst idea ever imagined...



It seems strange that out of everyone so far you two (and Hercules or Hercales or whatever) are the only ones related to that specific genre of Greek mythology. Maybe we will understand more once Laarz actually comes forward with his claim.

Jeeez you guys and girls I"M JOXER

“Joxer the Mighty
Roams through the countryside
He never needs a place to hide
With Gabby as his sidekick
Fighting with her little stick
Righting wrongs and singing songs
Being mighty all day long
He's Joxer—he's Joxer the Mighty!”

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Last one, I swear, sorry for the group of posts.

Vote: Caluin Graye

Yesterday, I asked TC what information would be revealed upon my lynch. He told me. It was more detailed than a shortened name. I have an X-shot ability. Not only would that have been revealed upon my lynch, but the X would be specified. To borrow from CG's cop example, my lynch would have revealed something similar to: 1-shot rolecop or 2-shot cop or 3-shot namecop.

CG's initial claim of elite bodyguard showed detail I was expecting. FOE's counterclaim of mafia bodyguard also showed detail I was expecting. CG's responses to FOE's counter-claim did not show detail I was expecting. Contrary to CG, FOE didn't back down from the detailed role name even when given a chance to. I believe FOE.

After all of the things that were posted today, this is what your hanging your vote on? The detail of the role description that each of them gave? Don't get me wrong, after reading through the thread now I would have locked CG as well, but there have been games where people were lynched and or killed and all that was revealed was the word "cop". Take the cheers game for example. There were two cops that game, one for alignment, and one for role, and they were only described as "cop", and if I remember correctly TC helped with the hosting for that one.

@Gory: Why did you lock CG so early in the day? Atm I can't really see a reason not to, except but earlier I've seen people say we shouldn't lock too early. This could potentially shut down conversation, which is good for mafia, bad for town.

1. It's not "early" in the day. The day was half over already.

2. Even after a lock, there will still be PLENTY to talk about today.

There is still plenty to talk about, but you can't tell me that discussion hasn't slowed down a bit since the lock. Nonetheless, the lock was pretty much inevitable based on what was posted so far today, and as explained previously I would have locked him as well, and only didn't do it earlier because I wanted to read more in depth and give it more time for discussion to play out before doing so.

LOL........ she's dead!!!

Wow...if thats a lack of attention I don't know what is...

 

[pharphis]

I guess that should have been obvious, but we like being stupid!

Okay, let me go back and show you all who our next scum is!

 

[Goryani]

Not claiming when he was about to be lynched is the main sticking point. Then, today, he claims Xena. Which he could have easily said close to a lynch and had no negative repercussions. Now he says he has "X-shot abilities" and is still refusing to divulge the information when revealing such should make him a high priority nk leaving all information lost in the void. None of this is townie behaviour in my eyes.

Asking for more info without trying to look like you are asking for more info? I think yes. I especially like how you say I refuse to claim after my X-shot revelation. Can you point to me anyone who has asked for more info about the X-shot ability and I refused them? Day isn't over yet. Chillax.

Claiming yesterday give mafia a chance to act at night. Without claiming, I was just an un-claimed player who was recently put at lynch-1 (I think). Not exactly the greatest threat to mafia. You are correct it wasn't the most townie behavior, but that was by design.

 

[Laarz]

I guess that should have been obvious, but we like being stupid!

Okay, let me go back and show you all who our next scum is!

What!!! you just going to use me up and throw me away, you found someone younger, didn't you?:girly:

 

[pharphis]

I bolded all of the important parts

Caluin Graye has been killed.
Solar Ice has been killed.
Sathoris has been killed.
Leopold Stotch has been killed.

I think Sath and Leo were most likely investigative roles, given their posts yesterday. I also think that CG would be much more likely to be targeted of the remaining two, Solar and CG, because he was being bashed for role fishing. This leaves me thinking Solar was the killer, but that's assuming 1 mafia, 3 townies. 1 Bomb and 2 investigators. Meh.

Aretime is short I think. Hopefully names will reveal something, and those with fake-claims will be called out by anyone who knows.

I'm Hades.

Artemis is my role. Hades was to draw reactions, and since Hades was the first thing I could think of that was evil with respect to gods, I figured we could get a lot of people an excuse to divulge their thoughts on alignment in this game. I would suspect several town and mafia to jump on board and say we should lynch me because Hades is typically evil.

Artemis.

Hades ..... If ever there was a choice for a mafia in a Greek gods game it would be Hades.

Heracles actually. Hercules is Roman. Also Heracles is not the son of Hera, he is the illegitimate son of Zeus (and thus hated by Hera)

Prometheus is also a potential Mafia role, given he stole from the gods.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This was a response to Jcakes's post. I caught him, and I'm so happy that it worked.


Okay, explanation time!
I'm Artemis, with 1-shot blood swap
Blood swap:
Pick 2 targets at night. If one of them is killed or investigated, their names will be swapped.

I couldn't find any examples of this online to compare to, but the closest I can think of is the Forensic Scientist from the Create Your Own Role Mafia Game mixed in with some kind of bus driver. So cute!

I picked Sath and myself the night Sath died, and when the mass claim started I knew I had to get in there early with my (barely) hidden claim as Artemis. I figured that there was a really good chance that one of the mafia would fake-claim using that name, since they would have (presumably) been given that name after killing Sath, if they killed Sath.

In other words, I really really really think Jcakes is mafia and he took Sath's name at death for his fake claim.

Thoughts? I want to get back to studying, but there should be SO much to discuss for everyone else for the second half of this day.