I'm pretty sure you just get a no result from a block, what happened to Martin sounds more like someone bussed Mal with someone else but no bus driver has died and no one has claimed one, so we go back to we blocked someone last night and when we did the same thing to Martin it appears to give him a incorrect read, two different things however you spin it>
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I'm pretty sure you just get a no result from a block, what happened to Martin sounds more like someone bussed Mal with someone else but no bus driver has died and no one has claimed one, so we go back to we blocked someone last night and when we did the same thing to Martin it appears to give him a incorrect read, two different things however you spin it>
I obviously lied earlier when I said I was 4x. It's actually 6xgood thing I saved some. Do I have any left? Not answering.
I protected myself last night, and excellent timing, too, because several of you seemed to think I was tied to Jcakes somehow yesterday.
coju obviously lied when he said "sorry, can't save you this time, we need info". Clearly he knew he was scum the first time and tried to play it off as though it was an innocent mistake. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to believe he's innocent with all that has happened.
Who thinks he's the last one?
Vote 1: coju
vote 2: coju
Interesting. I guess I have been in your shoes, trying to figure out how to claim doctor and not get killed. I can believe a normal doctor claim more than the 4X. The 6X I find suspicious, but as there was no kill last night, seems to me like you are telling the truth.
Thanks Pyro. I don't know if you lie or not though
I spiked Gwaihir and my theory is that our combined ability is a roleblocker at night.
Vote 1: Gwaihir
Vote 2: Gwaihir
Huh. My theory was that the gin switched results from guilty to innocent. Didn't think it roleblocked, but we didn't get a death to show otherwise. More on this in a second.
Seems to me option 2 is the best bet on what happened.
I would actually expect this - he would get a no result, not an innocent result.
I seem to be a magnet for the weird roles, don't I? That role was a ton of fun, but near impossible to win with. The actual win condition was if you are alive and all players alive ave a holy ward, you win. Still can't believe I made it to the endgame with that claim.
Anyways, as for why I am not scum, all I can point to is the fact that I hounded Jcakes for 4 days. I voted him every day with either vote one or vote 2. There is no way I am on his mafia team after just going for him for that many days in a row.
As for my suspects:
1) coju - his role does match the lawyer from last game. On the other hand he has acted like scum and his little "sorry I didn't save you" was very, very odd.
2) Laarz - quesitonable choices in his role claim, late claim
3) flubb - I went back and looked at recruitment possibilites last night. Mal was under a lot of pressure day 1, so he probably used his recruit that night. Who was the best option that night? Definitely flubb, who had been RPing all day.
These at least are my top three suspects for today.
Hmm. laarz. Does anyone know anything about his role in the show? Is this publicist someone who would go too far to 'help' Frasier?
I agree that his choices seem pretty odd.
Yeah, it's all about trying to survive, and to do so, I had to diminish what the mafia thinks i'm capable of - or at least make them think i'm lying about something, but not know what. Now we all know it was the number of saves - The choosing the same target multiple nights in a row still holds, however, as that is what I did to ML. (obviously I can't save myself too many nights in a row - I'll just let you all assume that twice in a row is a fair number)
Unvote 2: Gwaihir
I agree that his choices seem pretty odd.
Yeah, it's all about trying to survive, and to do so, I had to diminish what the mafia thinks i'm capable of - or at least make them think i'm lying about something, but not know what. Now we all know it was the number of saves - The choosing the same target multiple nights in a row still holds, however, as that is what I did to ML. (obviously I can't save myself too many nights in a row - I'll just let you all assume that twice in a row is a fair number)
Unvote 2: Gwaihir
Hmm pharphis, the doc who forgets the cop and saves himself, I would sleep with someone to get what I wanted,is that going too far to help Frasier?
You had better check the wind it could change direction, by the end of this day will you have voted for everyone? Looks like you are just trying to get a lynch on anyone but yourself.
You had better check the wind it could change direction, by the end of this day will you have voted for everyone? Looks like you are just trying to get a lynch on anyone but yourself.
You're basing that off of 2 votes and my consideration of you? HA
Tell me, do you not find coju suspicious? Gwaihir? (this was mostly a gut feeling for me, whereas for coju there are many well documented reasons thus far)
Yup. I forgot - lots of people in this game and I acted too quickly to protect myself rather than double check for roles I may have forgotten. It really as simple as that.
As I said before, the person I would have saved that night (other than myself) would have been Gwaihir, but I was too worried about the recruitment thing. There were still advantages to be had by the mafia at that point because some of them didn't do a full claim
*cough laarz/coju cough*
Besides, I remember trying to splurt out some 'last words' just in case I was killed that night. Wanted to try to let the mafia think they could go for me, though that is a bit obvious.
You mad I tricked you with my lie about number of saves, scum (?) ?
@all,
It really appears that the mafia are just a bunch of roleblockers, to counterbalance all of the power roles we have. Does coju's 'prevent a lynch' thing hold into this idea? Meh, sort of. I wouldn't be awfully surprised as it's considered a relatively anti-town role, anyway, and there's always the recruitment possibility.
Tell me, do you not find coju suspicious? Gwaihir? (this was mostly a gut feeling for me, whereas for coju there are many well documented reasons thus far)
Yup. I forgot - lots of people in this game and I acted too quickly to protect myself rather than double check for roles I may have forgotten. It really as simple as that.
As I said before, the person I would have saved that night (other than myself) would have been Gwaihir, but I was too worried about the recruitment thing. There were still advantages to be had by the mafia at that point because some of them didn't do a full claim
*cough laarz/coju cough*
Besides, I remember trying to splurt out some 'last words' just in case I was killed that night. Wanted to try to let the mafia think they could go for me, though that is a bit obvious.
You mad I tricked you with my lie about number of saves, scum (?) ?
@all,
It really appears that the mafia are just a bunch of roleblockers, to counterbalance all of the power roles we have. Does coju's 'prevent a lynch' thing hold into this idea? Meh, sort of. I wouldn't be awfully surprised as it's considered a relatively anti-town role, anyway, and there's always the recruitment possibility.
What I mean is that the night the cop died, there were still advantages to be had by killing the priest, because they could have still faked some very reasonable claims.
Still don't remember why you chose those targets? I mean, there must have been a series of lines someone said for you to come to that decision, or something. I can understand the 'gut feeling' if that's what it was, but normally there's some reason behind it you could remember.
Still don't remember why you chose those targets? I mean, there must have been a series of lines someone said for you to come to that decision, or something. I can understand the 'gut feeling' if that's what it was, but normally there's some reason behind it you could remember.
coju
Well-known member
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@ Gwaihir: Curious what you thought about this post, if you still feel the same way.
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@ Gwaihir: Curious what you thought about this post, if you still feel the same way.
coju
Well-known member
Cute
I obviously lied earlier when I said I was 4x. It's actually 6x
I protected myself last night, and excellent timing, too, because several of you seemed to think I was tied to Jcakes somehow yesterday.
coju obviously lied when he said "sorry, can't save you this time, we need info". Clearly he knew he was scum the first time and tried to play it off as though it was an innocent mistake. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to believe he's innocent with all that has happened.
Who thinks he's the last one?
Vote 1: coju
vote 2: coju
So you tell us that you lied to us.
So it would be silly for Moar or anyone to buy all of that?
Then you claim Hmmm, I may be lying to you guys again
Moar just answering you
Then you take a different tack with a FoS at me.
I'm sure we all would like to survive, but lying even its with the best motives can get you lynched
Not off that but off your eagerness to jump to an easy vote without any questioning done.
Yes I do, I find everyone suspicious.
Maybe you did forget, there was like 12 people alive then.
And your claim is perfect, pot meet kettle.
No because i'm not scum, it has to do more with the way you treat us townfolk.
You speak of blockers, dont you think they would have blocked you and had the hitman kill you?
I think everyone had a semblance of a claimin when the cop died? So you think the mafia could have killed the coroner and then say * oh I lied when I claimed earlier, now this is who I really am? Unlikely it would have scum written all over it.
Could have been for the same reasons you choose some of your targets.
You continue lying? You claimed to have protected yourself the 2 nights before, so that would make it the 3rd time last night.
Numbered and tidied up for everyone's convenience.
2) It would be silly for Moar to disbelieve all of it. Maybe the wording wasn't clear. I would expect people to be at least somewhat suspicious
3) Yup. about the number of saves I'm allowed to do this game.
4) I simply thought of a question to ask everyone else. You know, the % bodyguard thing isn't the easiest thing to believe, and I don't really see how any of the mafia 'role blocker' roles are related to their character, so I got the feeling that you made yours up to cover it. It sounds believable, and the % thing gives you a good excuse for it to never work
5)Yes, yes. It can get you lynched, but why the hell would this be lynch-worthy?
'Sorry guys, I lied about the number of saves I can perform so I could try to live longer and save again'
This really is just along the same lines as "I saved such and such 2 nights ago, but won't say who I saved last night because then the mafia will know blah blah"
6) Voting coju was the easiest vote I've done all game, aside from the confirmed mafia by investigations. In my mind he has been involved in so many scummy things it just can't add up as townie. There didn't need to be any questions because we've already asked him about the stuff I think he's guilty for about half a dozen times.
7) Uh-huh, yup. And yet I still find it hard for you to remember why you picked your targets.
8) So what is this supposed to mean? A compliment? My claim makes sense so it's automatically bad? This sounds like one of those vague scum sentences where you just throw it at someone because their claim makes sense. Wait, here's another one I just thought of;
"ML's claim was too perfect, because of course he would find 2 guilty right away. Not only is that unlikely, but it would be perfect for him to be seen as town up until the end. I mean, he told us Mal was innocent, after all. . . pot meets kettle"
Wow, that was easy and harmful.
9) Hmm. This is a really interesting sentence that ties well to the previous. Tell me, how do I treat the town? Is my lie actually bad enough to harm the town? Nope. Am I aggressive? Not often. I'm just not sure why you said this. Obviously you would say no to being scum - but the second part? ("it has to do more with the way you treat us townfolk.")
10) Well, I didn't think of this, but there are some easy and quite reasonable answers.
- They thought I was out of saves (I don't see why they wouldn't have just done this earlier when I first claimed, or the day after, since that only means they were more likely to have blocks still)
- they're out of blocks (we are on day 8 or 9, after all)
11) This is what I tried to explain when I posted right after this. I'll do it again here. . .
Someone claims role, but not name (coju) or name but not role (Laarz). If the priest dies, and they kill either coju or Laarz, they have either a name or a role they can sort of try to fit to their name. Yes, it's totally scummy for them to completely change their name or role, but if they just left it out and replaced it that is still possible, I guess. It makes me think of when CG thought on the spot to make up the bomb claim. It seemed to fit, but he overlooked something suspicious.
Now I realize this doesn't make much sense, though, because you and coju and lacked different things in your claim, so it wouldn't work. At the time I didn't see this.
12) Again, another no answer/lay suspicion on the doc line. My targets mentioned so far have only been me and ML. I provided reasons for those, too. You did not, and your reasons cannot be the same, because you didn't target the cop, and you didn't target yourself (pointless). How can they be for the same reasons as me?
Minimum. It made sense to lie the first time. Why would I tell the complete truth about something that only helps mafia? My thoughts are as follows;
1) Mafia don't know if I still have saves, or how many. They are aware, however, that I saved myself last night (because they targeted me)
2) Town knows that I stopped a kill last night. It would be stupid to lynch the doc. There is still no other reason showing why there was no NK
1) Yes. That was like the 5th word I used today.
2) It would be silly for Moar to disbelieve all of it. Maybe the wording wasn't clear. I would expect people to be at least somewhat suspicious
3) Yup. about the number of saves I'm allowed to do this game.
4) I simply thought of a question to ask everyone else. You know, the % bodyguard thing isn't the easiest thing to believe, and I don't really see how any of the mafia 'role blocker' roles are related to their character, so I got the feeling that you made yours up to cover it. It sounds believable, and the % thing gives you a good excuse for it to never work
5)Yes, yes. It can get you lynched, but why the hell would this be lynch-worthy?
'Sorry guys, I lied about the number of saves I can perform so I could try to live longer and save again'
This really is just along the same lines as "I saved such and such 2 nights ago, but won't say who I saved last night because then the mafia will know blah blah"
6) Voting coju was the easiest vote I've done all game, aside from the confirmed mafia by investigations. In my mind he has been involved in so many scummy things it just can't add up as townie. There didn't need to be any questions because we've already asked him about the stuff I think he's guilty for about half a dozen times.
7) Uh-huh, yup. And yet I still find it hard for you to remember why you picked your targets.
8) So what is this supposed to mean? A compliment? My claim makes sense so it's automatically bad? This sounds like one of those vague scum sentences where you just throw it at someone because their claim makes sense. Wait, here's another one I just thought of;
"ML's claim was too perfect, because of course he would find 2 guilty right away. Not only is that unlikely, but it would be perfect for him to be seen as town up until the end. I mean, he told us Mal was innocent, after all. . . pot meets kettle"
Wow, that was easy and harmful.
9) Hmm. This is a really interesting sentence that ties well to the previous. Tell me, how do I treat the town? Is my lie actually bad enough to harm the town? Nope. Am I aggressive? Not often. I'm just not sure why you said this. Obviously you would say no to being scum - but the second part? ("it has to do more with the way you treat us townfolk.")
10) Well, I didn't think of this, but there are some easy and quite reasonable answers.
- They thought I was out of saves (I don't see why they wouldn't have just done this earlier when I first claimed, or the day after, since that only means they were more likely to have blocks still)
- they're out of blocks (we are on day 8 or 9, after all)
11) This is what I tried to explain when I posted right after this. I'll do it again here. . .
Someone claims role, but not name (coju) or name but not role (Laarz). If the priest dies, and they kill either coju or Laarz, they have either a name or a role they can sort of try to fit to their name. Yes, it's totally scummy for them to completely change their name or role, but if they just left it out and replaced it that is still possible, I guess. It makes me think of when CG thought on the spot to make up the bomb claim. It seemed to fit, but he overlooked something suspicious.
Now I realize this doesn't make much sense, though, because you and coju and lacked different things in your claim, so it wouldn't work. At the time I didn't see this.
12) Again, another no answer/lay suspicion on the doc line. My targets mentioned so far have only been me and ML. I provided reasons for those, too. You did not, and your reasons cannot be the same, because you didn't target the cop, and you didn't target yourself (pointless). How can they be for the same reasons as me?
Minimum. It made sense to lie the first time. Why would I tell the complete truth about something that only helps mafia? My thoughts are as follows;
1) Mafia don't know if I still have saves, or how many. They are aware, however, that I saved myself last night (because they targeted me)
2) Town knows that I stopped a kill last night. It would be stupid to lynch the doc. There is still no other reason showing why there was no NK
Quoting quotes is a pain. I just copied the parts.
Still agreed. I don't see the first connections, and I do see a strong connection between you two.
Well, he has been proven to be mafia now, so I can now be 100% sure we are on different teams.
Still think this is true - how can you be 100% sure unless you are mafia? As for if Laarz, I am less sure, but still think he is a decent target.
I agree. If you knew with 100% certainty someone was on your team, would you vote for him for 4 days straight?
Re: Player & Vote Count
coju, I am curious about the double voting.
In summary:
ML was saved from lynch -your vote on Gory the next dayis worth 1.
Jcakes was saved from lynch - your votes onme the next dayis worth 2.
Do you know why this is?
coju, I am curious about the double voting.
In summary:
ML was saved from lynch -your vote on Gory the next dayis worth 1.
Jcakes was saved from lynch - your votes onme the next dayis worth 2.
Do you know why this is?
Re: Player & Vote Count
Also checking back to voting record
Day 5 - you don't vote him, and go with Noodle instead
Day 6 - you vote 2 him, but he ends up not lynched
Day 7 - you vote one him, and then save him from lynch
Day 7 - he won't vote 2 you, which would have resulted in your lynch
Day 8 - you don't vote him, he doesn't vote you
This is somewhat suspicious, but the most suspicious part I find is Day 7. He did not vote you, and if he had, you would have been lynched. We have seen 2 similar cases of this happening - Gory's vote to save CG, and CG's vote to save Jcakes. I am really seeing a pattern here.
Vote 1: coju
Also checking back to voting record
Day 5 - you don't vote him, and go with Noodle instead
Day 6 - you vote 2 him, but he ends up not lynched
Day 7 - you vote one him, and then save him from lynch
Day 7 - he won't vote 2 you, which would have resulted in your lynch
Day 8 - you don't vote him, he doesn't vote you
This is somewhat suspicious, but the most suspicious part I find is Day 7. He did not vote you, and if he had, you would have been lynched. We have seen 2 similar cases of this happening - Gory's vote to save CG, and CG's vote to save Jcakes. I am really seeing a pattern here.
Vote 1: coju
coju
Well-known member
Re: Player & Vote Count
But, gwaihir, if you get me lynched, just know that you will be putting your head on the chopping block for the next day. I will pop Town. Pro-town. That's it. I play scummy. I always have. Look back at other games. I'm not going to apologize for the way I play. I stated earlier in the game that I was trying to change my play-style to appear less scummy, and it looks as though I've slipped back into it.
Why would I announce to the crowd that I saved someone knowing they were scum? Hmm? Why would I save a claimed cop who killed 2 of my scum buddies? Hmm?
Answer me those questions, Gwaihir. Answer them. Think about them first. If you were in my shoes and if I were indeed scum. Would saving a cop who killed 2 of my friends, then announcing to the crowd that I saved Jcakes, he gets lynched, then everybody knows I saved a scum.
[highlight]I made a mistake.[/highlight]
goodness. There, I said it.
But, gwaihir, if you get me lynched, just know that you will be putting your head on the chopping block for the next day. I will pop Town. Pro-town. That's it. I play scummy. I always have. Look back at other games. I'm not going to apologize for the way I play. I stated earlier in the game that I was trying to change my play-style to appear less scummy, and it looks as though I've slipped back into it.
Why would I announce to the crowd that I saved someone knowing they were scum? Hmm? Why would I save a claimed cop who killed 2 of my scum buddies? Hmm?
Answer me those questions, Gwaihir. Answer them. Think about them first. If you were in my shoes and if I were indeed scum. Would saving a cop who killed 2 of my friends, then announcing to the crowd that I saved Jcakes, he gets lynched, then everybody knows I saved a scum.
[highlight]I made a mistake.[/highlight]
goodness. There, I said it.
I feel like your argument is pretty strong, when I take into consideration the fact that you could have just lied and said you tried to stop ML's lynch. The actions these last few days just don't add up well for me, though, and unfortunately we can't rule out the chance that you were recruited, after the cop lynch prevention. I'm going to leave my vote for now. That was only day 2, after all. . . Is recruitment normally a night action?
Re: Player & Vote Count
There is with the spiking. If it's a roleblock, then Gwaihir was stopped from killing. It's about a valid theory as you being the target.
You saving ML makes sense if you were town at that time. You could very well have been recruited the night after.
With the new vote 2 mechanic I say we lynch both Gwaihir and coju. And pharphis next if coju flips town.
There is with the spiking. If it's a roleblock, then Gwaihir was stopped from killing. It's about a valid theory as you being the target.
You saving ML makes sense if you were town at that time. You could very well have been recruited the night after.
With the new vote 2 mechanic I say we lynch both Gwaihir and coju. And pharphis next if coju flips town.
Well, I thought we established it acts as something different than a roleblock. It DOES make sense if the only action is to screw up cop readings, considering there were so many. But a roleblock? Seems unlikely to me.
I have another question, too. Do recruited members reveal as being recruited upon death? Are we able to rule out all of the previous mafia as being recruited for this reason?
I have another question, too. Do recruited members reveal as being recruited upon death? Are we able to rule out all of the previous mafia as being recruited for this reason?
