YOU might have established that. Who says there wasn't a block on either me or Pyro that night? With that many roleblockers I'd say that is certainly possible.
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YOU might have established that. Who says there wasn't a block on either me or Pyro that night? With that many roleblockers I'd say that is certainly possible.
^More thoughts. I guess each drink could have a different function, but if this is the same drink that affected Mal's in the beginning, then this just makes it seem less likely to be a role block to me.
You guys want to test the other drink tonight? It might be too risky to try that, though.
You guys want to test the other drink tonight? It might be too risky to try that, though.
Okay, so what else could possibly have given a different cop reading on Mal, other than godfather (since he wasn't)??? We've had no one claim bus, either.
You think one of the remaining scum has another ability that allows them to make someone read as innocent? I think I've read of something like that somewhere. Didn't think of it until now, but that would also fit in super well given how many cops there are. Too well? I dunno.
I'm just going to call it the 'opposite of a framer' role.
Pyrotechnician1
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Wow, Laarz and pharphis seem to be going at it. So do Gwaihir and coju though.
Who knows what the real function of the drinks are, nobody knows, and I don't think we'll find out until end game for sure.
No idea on the recruited members being shown as recruited at death. I don't think I've ever seen a recruited person flip before.
Autti's role in one of the previous games was a framer that had the option of making someone else guilty or making one of their own look innocent so its a possibility. However, right before Mal was lynched he made a weird statement "thanking" whoever gave Martin the innocent result so I'm not sure if that makes sense.
Other random thoughts...Not sure about Gwaihir's postion still, yesterday before cakes flipped he changed is vote 2 to Gwaihir after someone suggested that all vote 2's be changed to Gwaihir and his response was "sure why not", not sure if this was a point of apathy for the game, or he was hoping to take out a townie on his way out.
Who knows what the real function of the drinks are, nobody knows, and I don't think we'll find out until end game for sure.
No idea on the recruited members being shown as recruited at death. I don't think I've ever seen a recruited person flip before.
Autti's role in one of the previous games was a framer that had the option of making someone else guilty or making one of their own look innocent so its a possibility. However, right before Mal was lynched he made a weird statement "thanking" whoever gave Martin the innocent result so I'm not sure if that makes sense.
Other random thoughts...Not sure about Gwaihir's postion still, yesterday before cakes flipped he changed is vote 2 to Gwaihir after someone suggested that all vote 2's be changed to Gwaihir and his response was "sure why not", not sure if this was a point of apathy for the game, or he was hoping to take out a townie on his way out.
Hmm. As for number of votes, it could be a miscount - I don't have two votes, so there is at least one mistake in there.
There are a lot of small things that have told me you may be scum, but when it comes down to it, there is one huge thing that bugs me. If you are town, why did a scum Jcakes not lynch you? There has been a pattern this game of scum saving their partners through votes at the end of the day. Gory attempting to save CG from omg's "bomb". CG unvoting Jcakes to stop a V2 lynch. And then Jcakes refused to V2 lynch you. It just seems to be too convenient.
ML - as phar mentioned, you could be recruited. Second option - you saw ML had a wrong result on Mal. So you figured he was either naive or insane and keeping him around for a night might help confuse people.
Jcakes - we knew where saves were coming from at that point, claiming you didn't save him would look even more scummy.
Not really sure about the recruits flip. I would think it would say name, antitown and role, but no idea if it would say recruit. So far I don't see a likely suspect: the recruiter is not, and hitman would not be either. We have seen 2 X-shot roleblockers, so bets on them starting antitown. The only possible one I can see actually being the recruit is Gory, but that would mean his role got changed to goon from whatever it started as.
As for previous occasions, like Pyro said, have not seen the situation.
Framer/unframer could be roles, as for being in the game, hard to tell. Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it.
coju
Well-known member
Decided to go through all the votes that were counted (this does not include votes that were unvoted, only those noted on the fist page), and found a couple nice little tid-bits.
These are our alive forumites:
I'll highlight the most townie by voting record:
(Town deaths)
Pyrotechnician - 1 townie dead because of vote
flubbucket - same as above
Neutral town killers:
pharphis - 2 townies dead because of vote
Laarz - same as above
coju - same as above
Killed the most town:
[highlight]Moar - 3 townies dead because of vote
Gwaihir - same as above[/highlight]
(Mafia deaths)
Pyrotechnician, Gwaihir, pharphis, flubbucket, and coju have all helped lynch 4 mafia.
Moar and Laarz have both helped lynch 3 mafia.
I'll let the y'all help decipher this data.
These are our alive forumites:
Code:
Name - # of votes that resulted in a lynch // separate votes
1. Moar - 3 townies /// 3 mafia /// 1 separate
2. Pyrotechnician -1 townie /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
3. Gwaihir - 3 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
4. nulio - apparently cannot vote - treestump?
5. pharphis - 2 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
6. Laarz - 2 townies /// 3 mafia /// 2 separate
7. flubbucket - 1 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
8. coju - 2 townies /// 4 mafia /// 0 separateI'll highlight the most townie by voting record:
(Town deaths)
Pyrotechnician - 1 townie dead because of vote
flubbucket - same as above
Neutral town killers:
pharphis - 2 townies dead because of vote
Laarz - same as above
coju - same as above
Killed the most town:
[highlight]Moar - 3 townies dead because of vote
Gwaihir - same as above[/highlight]
(Mafia deaths)
Pyrotechnician, Gwaihir, pharphis, flubbucket, and coju have all helped lynch 4 mafia.
Moar and Laarz have both helped lynch 3 mafia.
I'll let the y'all help decipher this data.
coju
Well-known member
a better looking code
Code:
Name - # of votes that resulted in a lynch // separate votes
1. Moar 3 townies /// 3 mafia /// 1 separate
2. Pyrotechnician 1 townie /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
3. Gwaihir 3 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
4. nulio apparently cannot vote - treestump?
5. pharphis 2 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
6. Laarz 2 townies /// 3 mafia /// 2 separate
7. flubbucket 1 townies /// 4 mafia /// 1 separate
8. coju 2 townies /// 4 mafia /// 0 separatecoju
Well-known member
It means a lot, actually, or voting records mean nothing. This is a list of the alive player voting records. I guarantee if I was involved in 3 townie deaths, it would be used against me.
By the voting records, Moar comes in first as being the scummiest for lynching the most town and least mafia.. Gwaihir and Laarz would be second, as Gwaihir's killed more townies and Laarz has helped lynch less mafia. Or third, if you play by those rules.
By the voting records, Moar comes in first as being the scummiest for lynching the most town and least mafia.. Gwaihir and Laarz would be second, as Gwaihir's killed more townies and Laarz has helped lynch less mafia. Or third, if you play by those rules.
coju
Well-known member
Yeah, I will after this post.Could you list the townies and mafia they lynched, as well? I just figure it's convenient since you already started the table
I'm not sure what you mean by "separate votes". Is it that they voted for someone other than the person being lynched?
The "Separate Votes" means that they voted for scum, but the scum didn't get lynched.
coju
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Town
D4 - pancakeman is dead. He was Sam. Pro Town. Eavesdropper.- Gwaihir, Moar, Laarz, coju, pharphis - coju
N4 - MartinLong is dead. He was Eddie. Pro Town. Cop - Gwahir, Moar, Laarz
D5 - Noodle is dead. He was Roz. Pro Town. Jailkeeper - flubbucket, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, coju, Gwaihir
Anti-Town
D3 - Goryani is dead. He was Kelly gaines. Anti Town. Goon. - Pharphis, coju, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Moar
D4 - frozzzen is dead. He was Donny. Anti Town. 2 shot roleblocker - Gwaihir, coju, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, Laarz, flubbucket,
D5 - Malevolent is dead. He was Robin. Anti Town. 1 shot recruiter - pharphis - pharphis, coju, Gwaihi, Moar, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician
D6 - Caluin Graye is dead. He was Mel. Anti Town. Hitman pharphis, Moar, Pyrotechnican, Laarz
D8 - Jcakes is dead. He was Lilith. Anti Town. 3 person roleblocker - Gwaihir, Laarz----- Moar, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, coju, Pyrotechnician, pharphis------pharphis, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Pyrotechnian, Laarz
1. Moar
2. Pyrotechnician
3 Gwaihir
4. nulio
5. pharphis
6. Laarz
7. flubbucket
8. coju
D4 - pancakeman is dead. He was Sam. Pro Town. Eavesdropper.- Gwaihir, Moar, Laarz, coju, pharphis - coju
N4 - MartinLong is dead. He was Eddie. Pro Town. Cop - Gwahir, Moar, Laarz
D5 - Noodle is dead. He was Roz. Pro Town. Jailkeeper - flubbucket, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, coju, Gwaihir
Anti-Town
D3 - Goryani is dead. He was Kelly gaines. Anti Town. Goon. - Pharphis, coju, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Moar
D4 - frozzzen is dead. He was Donny. Anti Town. 2 shot roleblocker - Gwaihir, coju, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, Laarz, flubbucket,
D5 - Malevolent is dead. He was Robin. Anti Town. 1 shot recruiter - pharphis - pharphis, coju, Gwaihi, Moar, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician
D6 - Caluin Graye is dead. He was Mel. Anti Town. Hitman pharphis, Moar, Pyrotechnican, Laarz
D8 - Jcakes is dead. He was Lilith. Anti Town. 3 person roleblocker - Gwaihir, Laarz----- Moar, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, coju, Pyrotechnician, pharphis------pharphis, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Pyrotechnian, Laarz
1. Moar
2. Pyrotechnician
3 Gwaihir
4. nulio
5. pharphis
6. Laarz
7. flubbucket
8. coju
The dissenters have it - Vote 2 is staying as it was. Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to ensure it was still a useful mechanism for the game but I guess changing a mechanic mid-game was a dumb plan.
Updated votey things
Day 9 - 7 alive
Vote 1 - 4 to lynch, 5 to lock
Vote 2 - 7 to lynch
Vote 1:
coju 2 (pharphis, Gwaihir)
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)
Vote 2 :
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)
Vote
Updated votey things
Day 9 - 7 alive
Vote 1 - 4 to lynch, 5 to lock
Vote 2 - 7 to lynch
Vote 1:
coju 2 (pharphis, Gwaihir)
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)
Vote 2 :
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)
Vote
1684 - pharphis Vote 1: coju
1684 - pharphis Vote 2: coju UNVOTED 1718
1696 - Moar Vote 1: Gwaihir
1696 - Moar Vote 2: Gwaihir
1718 - pharphis Vote 2: Gwaihir UNOVTED 1723
1735 - Gwaihir Vote 1: coju
1684 - pharphis Vote 2: coju UNVOTED 1718
1696 - Moar Vote 1: Gwaihir
1696 - Moar Vote 2: Gwaihir
1718 - pharphis Vote 2: Gwaihir UNOVTED 1723
1735 - Gwaihir Vote 1: coju
flubbucket1
New member
Okay a couple of things.
First, thanks for the list/datamining coju. Moar and I were discussing voting last night because it was time to get back to basics.
Second, nulio hasn't officially claimed "treestump." I suggested to Moar (re:nulio) a non-voting serial killer and she cussed at me between swigs.
Third, Gwaihir's comment "Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it." makes me think there is more going on with this drink thing and I'm looking squarely at Pyro. I realize this flies in the face of coju's data, but I'm just getting a yin-yang vibe from this drink setup. I could be completely off and this drink thing could be a total randomizer...just seems unlikely.
Lastly, Laarz role lends itself well to serial killing. Here is a link worth reading..... http://frasier.wikia.com/wiki/Bebe_Glazer
First, thanks for the list/datamining coju. Moar and I were discussing voting last night because it was time to get back to basics.
Second, nulio hasn't officially claimed "treestump." I suggested to Moar (re:nulio) a non-voting serial killer and she cussed at me between swigs.
Third, Gwaihir's comment "Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it." makes me think there is more going on with this drink thing and I'm looking squarely at Pyro. I realize this flies in the face of coju's data, but I'm just getting a yin-yang vibe from this drink setup. I could be completely off and this drink thing could be a total randomizer...just seems unlikely.
Lastly, Laarz role lends itself well to serial killing. Here is a link worth reading..... http://frasier.wikia.com/wiki/Bebe_Glazer
coju
Well-known member
Leaving a couple of parts I find interesting
No, it doesn't hurt my correlations. A "non-voting serial killer," eh? That is very likely. Very 'out-there' modding. I like that. (If so, that puts a whole new twist on non-voting counterparts.)
I did find a whole lot on your third point. I only hope I still have them copied:
Guess not. I went though the pages 30-34 (40 post/page), and numerous times pyro/waiters are questioned about the drinks actually doing the killing. I still don't know who delivers, who spikes, who hands out, who etc., but it would make sense. The only notable affect I have noticed is ML's mis-investigation on Mal.
IIRC, Laarz was investigated, but only had a "PM Received" result. (IIRC, SK's aren't really 'outed' by investigations? IE: Player X investigates Player Y who is the SK. Player X doesn't receive a "Mafia" "foe" "sk" result, but something along the lines of "pm received" "unknown" "---". Know what I'm saying?)
Curious, very, why Moar would get upset at that matter...:scratchchin:
No, it doesn't hurt my correlations. A "non-voting serial killer," eh? That is very likely. Very 'out-there' modding. I like that. (If so, that puts a whole new twist on non-voting counterparts.)
I did find a whole lot on your third point. I only hope I still have them copied:
Guess not. I went though the pages 30-34 (40 post/page), and numerous times pyro/waiters are questioned about the drinks actually doing the killing. I still don't know who delivers, who spikes, who hands out, who etc., but it would make sense. The only notable affect I have noticed is ML's mis-investigation on Mal.
IIRC, Laarz was investigated, but only had a "PM Received" result. (IIRC, SK's aren't really 'outed' by investigations? IE: Player X investigates Player Y who is the SK. Player X doesn't receive a "Mafia" "foe" "sk" result, but something along the lines of "pm received" "unknown" "---". Know what I'm saying?)
Curious, very, why Moar would get upset at that matter...:scratchchin:
