Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

Well, I thought we established it acts as something different than a roleblock. It DOES make sense if the only action is to screw up cop readings, considering there were so many. But a roleblock? Seems unlikely to me.

I have another question, too. Do recruited members reveal as being recruited upon death? Are we able to rule out all of the previous mafia as being recruited for this reason?

YOU might have established that. Who says there wasn't a block on either me or Pyro that night? With that many roleblockers I'd say that is certainly possible.



 
^More thoughts. I guess each drink could have a different function, but if this is the same drink that affected Mal's in the beginning, then this just makes it seem less likely to be a role block to me.

You guys want to test the other drink tonight? It might be too risky to try that, though.
 
YOU might have established that. Who says there wasn't a block on either me or Pyro that night? With that many roleblockers I'd say that is certainly possible.

Okay, so what else could possibly have given a different cop reading on Mal, other than godfather (since he wasn't)??? We've had no one claim bus, either.
You think one of the remaining scum has another ability that allows them to make someone read as innocent? I think I've read of something like that somewhere. Didn't think of it until now, but that would also fit in super well given how many cops there are. Too well? I dunno.
I'm just going to call it the 'opposite of a framer' role.


 
^More thoughts. I guess each drink could have a different function, but if this is the same drink that affected Mal's in the beginning, then this just makes it seem less likely to be a role block to me.

You guys want to test the other drink tonight? It might be too risky to try that, though.

You didn't read what I wrote, did you?



 
Well, you read it now. I don't think Thy would reaveal the "looks innocent for cop" together with "recruiter". She didn't reveal the "can spike a drink with xx" along "Waiter" either.
 
Wow, Laarz and pharphis seem to be going at it. So do Gwaihir and coju though.

Well, I thought we established it acts as something different than a roleblock. It DOES make sense if the only action is to screw up cop readings, considering there were so many. But a roleblock? Seems unlikely to me.

I have another question, too. Do recruited members reveal as being recruited upon death? Are we able to rule out all of the previous mafia as being recruited for this reason?

Who knows what the real function of the drinks are, nobody knows, and I don't think we'll find out until end game for sure.

No idea on the recruited members being shown as recruited at death. I don't think I've ever seen a recruited person flip before.

Okay, so what else could possibly have given a different cop reading on Mal, other than godfather (since he wasn't)??? We've had no one claim bus, either.
You think one of the remaining scum has another ability that allows them to make someone read as innocent? I think I've read of something like that somewhere. Didn't think of it until now, but that would also fit in super well given how many cops there are. Too well? I dunno.
I'm just going to call it the 'opposite of a framer' role.

Autti's role in one of the previous games was a framer that had the option of making someone else guilty or making one of their own look innocent so its a possibility. However, right before Mal was lynched he made a weird statement "thanking" whoever gave Martin the innocent result so I'm not sure if that makes sense.

Other random thoughts...Not sure about Gwaihir's postion still, yesterday before cakes flipped he changed is vote 2 to Gwaihir after someone suggested that all vote 2's be changed to Gwaihir and his response was "sure why not", not sure if this was a point of apathy for the game, or he was hoping to take out a townie on his way out.


 
Here's Day5's voting record from page 1, you have a double vote too?
I do not know why this is. Supposed to have double-vote whenever I successfully stop/safe a lynch. Don't get to vote if I tried, but didn't succeed.

Hmm. As for number of votes, it could be a miscount - I don't have two votes, so there is at least one mistake in there.

There are a lot of small things that have told me you may be scum, but when it comes down to it, there is one huge thing that bugs me. If you are town, why did a scum Jcakes not lynch you? There has been a pattern this game of scum saving their partners through votes at the end of the day. Gory attempting to save CG from omg's "bomb". CG unvoting Jcakes to stop a V2 lynch. And then Jcakes refused to V2 lynch you. It just seems to be too convenient.


Why would I announce to the crowd that I saved someone knowing they were scum? Hmm? Why would I save a claimed cop who killed 2 of my scum buddies? Hmm?

Answer me those questions, Gwaihir.

ML - as phar mentioned, you could be recruited. Second option - you saw ML had a wrong result on Mal. So you figured he was either naive or insane and keeping him around for a night might help confuse people.
Jcakes - we knew where saves were coming from at that point, claiming you didn't save him would look even more scummy.


I have another question, too. Do recruited members reveal as being recruited upon death? Are we able to rule out all of the previous mafia as being recruited for this reason?


No idea on the recruited members being shown as recruited at death. I don't think I've ever seen a recruited person flip before.

Autti's role in one of the previous games was a framer that had the option of making someone else guilty or making one of their own look innocent so its a possibility. However, right before Mal was lynched he made a weird statement "thanking" whoever gave Martin the innocent result so I'm not sure if that makes sense.

Not really sure about the recruits flip. I would think it would say name, antitown and role, but no idea if it would say recruit. So far I don't see a likely suspect: the recruiter is not, and hitman would not be either. We have seen 2 X-shot roleblockers, so bets on them starting antitown. The only possible one I can see actually being the recruit is Gory, but that would mean his role got changed to goon from whatever it started as.

As for previous occasions, like Pyro said, have not seen the situation.

Framer/unframer could be roles, as for being in the game, hard to tell. Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it.


 
I'm sorry but I'm very tired - been out all day so I'll do a vote count in about 10 hours. Will let you all know if there's any change to vote 2 at the same time.
 
Decided to go through all the votes that were counted (this does not include votes that were unvoted, only those noted on the fist page), and found a couple nice little tid-bits.
These are our alive forumites:
Code:
   Name - # of votes that resulted in a lynch // separate votes
1. Moar - 3 townies /// 3 mafia            /// 1 separate
2. Pyrotechnician -1 townie /// 4 mafia    /// 1 separate
3. Gwaihir - 3 townies /// 4 mafia         /// 1 separate 
4. nulio - apparently cannot vote            - treestump?
5. pharphis - 2 townies /// 4 mafia        /// 1 separate
6. Laarz - 2 townies /// 3 mafia           /// 2 separate
7. flubbucket - 1 townies /// 4 mafia      /// 1 separate 
8. coju - 2 townies /// 4 mafia            /// 0 separate

I'll highlight the most townie by voting record:
(Town deaths)
Pyrotechnician - 1 townie dead because of vote
flubbucket - same as above


Neutral town killers:
pharphis - 2 townies dead because of vote
Laarz - same as above
coju - same as above

Killed the most town:
[highlight]Moar - 3 townies dead because of vote
Gwaihir - same as above[/highlight]

(Mafia deaths)
Pyrotechnician, Gwaihir, pharphis, flubbucket, and coju have all helped lynch 4 mafia.
Moar and Laarz have both helped lynch 3 mafia.

I'll let the y'all help decipher this data.
 
a better looking code

Code:
Name - # of votes that resulted in a lynch // separate votes
1. Moar            3 townies /// 3 mafia   /// 1 separate
2. Pyrotechnician  1 townie /// 4 mafia    /// 1 separate
3. Gwaihir         3 townies /// 4 mafia   /// 1 separate 
4. nulio          apparently cannot vote     - treestump?
5. pharphis        2 townies /// 4 mafia   /// 1 separate
6. Laarz           2 townies /// 3 mafia   /// 2 separate
7. flubbucket      1 townies /// 4 mafia   /// 1 separate 
8. coju            2 townies /// 4 mafia   /// 0 separate
 
Interesting. I was under the impression that we all more or less wound up voting for the people a little more evenly. It's close enough that I don't really know what to make of it, though.
 
It means a lot, actually, or voting records mean nothing. This is a list of the alive player voting records. I guarantee if I was involved in 3 townie deaths, it would be used against me.

By the voting records, Moar comes in first as being the scummiest for lynching the most town and least mafia.. Gwaihir and Laarz would be second, as Gwaihir's killed more townies and Laarz has helped lynch less mafia. Or third, if you play by those rules.
 
Could you list the townies and mafia they lynched, as well? I just figure it's convenient since you already started the table :P

I'm not sure what you mean by "separate votes". Is it that they voted for someone other than the person being lynched?
 
Could you list the townies and mafia they lynched, as well? I just figure it's convenient since you already started the table :P

I'm not sure what you mean by "separate votes". Is it that they voted for someone other than the person being lynched?
Yeah, I will after this post.
The "Separate Votes" means that they voted for scum, but the scum didn't get lynched.


 
Town
D4 - pancakeman is dead. He was Sam. Pro Town. Eavesdropper.- Gwaihir, Moar, Laarz, coju, pharphis - coju
N4 - MartinLong is dead. He was Eddie. Pro Town. Cop - Gwahir, Moar, Laarz
D5 - Noodle is dead. He was Roz. Pro Town. Jailkeeper - flubbucket, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, coju, Gwaihir

Anti-Town
D3 - Goryani is dead. He was Kelly gaines. Anti Town. Goon. - Pharphis, coju, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Moar
D4 - frozzzen is dead. He was Donny. Anti Town. 2 shot roleblocker - Gwaihir, coju, Moar, pharphis, Pyrotechnician, Laarz, flubbucket,
D5 - Malevolent is dead. He was Robin. Anti Town. 1 shot recruiter - pharphis - pharphis, coju, Gwaihi, Moar, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician
D6 - Caluin Graye is dead. He was Mel. Anti Town. Hitman pharphis, Moar, Pyrotechnican, Laarz
D8 - Jcakes is dead. He was Lilith. Anti Town. 3 person roleblocker - Gwaihir, Laarz----- Moar, Laarz, flubbucket, Gwaihir, coju, Pyrotechnician, pharphis------pharphis, flubbucket, Gwaihir, Pyrotechnian, Laarz

1. Moar
2. Pyrotechnician
3 Gwaihir
4. nulio
5. pharphis
6. Laarz
7. flubbucket
8. coju
 
The dissenters have it - Vote 2 is staying as it was. Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to ensure it was still a useful mechanism for the game but I guess changing a mechanic mid-game was a dumb plan.

Updated votey things

Day 9 - 7 alive

Vote 1 - 4 to lynch, 5 to lock
Vote 2 - 7 to lynch

Vote 1:
coju 2 (pharphis, Gwaihir)
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)

Vote 2 :
Gwaihir 1 (Moar)


Vote
1684 - pharphis Vote 1: coju
1684 - pharphis Vote 2: coju UNVOTED 1718
1696 - Moar Vote 1: Gwaihir
1696 - Moar Vote 2: Gwaihir
1718 - pharphis Vote 2: Gwaihir UNOVTED 1723
1735 - Gwaihir Vote 1: coju
 
Okay a couple of things.

First, thanks for the list/datamining coju. Moar and I were discussing voting last night because it was time to get back to basics.

Second, nulio hasn't officially claimed "treestump." I suggested to Moar (re:nulio) a non-voting serial killer and she cussed at me between swigs.

Third, Gwaihir's comment "Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it." makes me think there is more going on with this drink thing and I'm looking squarely at Pyro. I realize this flies in the face of coju's data, but I'm just getting a yin-yang vibe from this drink setup. I could be completely off and this drink thing could be a total randomizer...just seems unlikely.

Lastly, Laarz role lends itself well to serial killing. Here is a link worth reading..... http://frasier.wikia.com/wiki/Bebe_Glazer
 
Leaving a couple of parts I find interesting
Second, nulio hasn't officially claimed "treestump." I suggested to Moar (re:nulio) a non-voting serial killer and she cussed at me between swigs.

Third, Gwaihir's comment "Most reasonable explanation to me is that the drinks had something to do with it." makes me think there is more going on with this drink thing and I'm looking squarely at Pyro.

Lastly, Laarz role lends itself well to serial killing. Here is a link worth reading..... http://frasier.wikia.com/wiki/Bebe_Glazer

No, it doesn't hurt my correlations. A "non-voting serial killer," eh? That is very likely. Very 'out-there' modding. I like that. (If so, that puts a whole new twist on non-voting counterparts.)

I did find a whole lot on your third point. I only hope I still have them copied:
Guess not. I went though the pages 30-34 (40 post/page), and numerous times pyro/waiters are questioned about the drinks actually doing the killing. I still don't know who delivers, who spikes, who hands out, who etc., but it would make sense. The only notable affect I have noticed is ML's mis-investigation on Mal.

IIRC, Laarz was investigated, but only had a "PM Received" result. (IIRC, SK's aren't really 'outed' by investigations? IE: Player X investigates Player Y who is the SK. Player X doesn't receive a "Mafia" "foe" "sk" result, but something along the lines of "pm received" "unknown" "---". Know what I'm saying?)

Curious, very, why Moar would get upset at that matter...:scratchchin:


 
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