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[Moar]

Ok, after day end yesterday I was fairly confused, even if omg was bluffing why would goryani (being antitown) take the last vote on omg knowing that he could potentially stop the blast on CG. The only logical thing I could think of is that CG is scum. Why would he want to stop the blast on anyone except his teammates?

No, I'm not trying to make it into a full blown plan, and it wasn't the only thing that came to mind, we have a full two days to discuss and I wanted to make sure we had enough time to consider it. I said it was the only Logical thing that came to mind. My two possibilities personally were either that Goryani did the vote to quickly save you (#1) or that he did it to create suspicion, but why would he do this if you would most likely be killed by the blast (#2). I didn't think of the other possibility in which he would take the gamble on omg completely bluffing and using it as an oppurtunity to cast doubt on your town status.

Did his supposive plan work? Yes, it definately made me thing twice about you and I'm sure that others probably had some sort of similar thoughts but I'm not sure where it will go as of yet as there is no definitive answer and no other major indications of you being scummy.

You say that it was the only logical thing and seemed sure that it must have been a tell that CG was scum in the post above. And then you later mention that "he did it to create suspicion". This looks to me as if you try to correct a failed attempt to frame CG.

I was going to say you forgot an option, but quickly picked it up. There are multiple possibilities to every situation and none of them are definate until role reveal. I'm not fully inclined to believe Jcakes claim yet as town roleblocker (psychiatrist in this case I am unsure makes sense with a jailkeeper already being removed from play. Then again we had a cop flip and we have another cop so who knows.

The mason group is rather large, but this is a rather large game so there is a possibility of there being 5. There is also the possibility of one of them being scum but once again another item that cannot be confirmed until flip or investigation.

Interesting. Are you saying that one of us should be lynched or investigated? Which of us then? Solar Ice flipped town already. So lynch us all instead of scum to be sure? I rather want to be lynching and investigating scum/possible scum.

 

[flubbucket1]

Somehow I still think you are scum and you are bluffing. You have come off as scum so far this game - a few people have seen it, then you add in a few odd lines.

"Following Martin like this will get you killed" ... interesting, what is this supposed to mean? If you are the claimed SK, then following a Cop will keep us safe, no? At least, tonight, it'll be one less death 'safe'.

"All I will say is well played: ...." Again, interesting tidbit. You mix a dead goon with two townies and a CG (unproven), Seems like a scum move to me - Me and Mal were both in radar for scum on D1, so you mix together 1 known scum, two who people thought were scum and CG who is a strong player (as to cast doubt on his alignment).

Now, you also never claimed who you killed last night yet, or any night. Not sure why you wouldn't in this situation. Being a SK, you'd be neutral and would have no issue giving up your kill list to both sides.

Me thinks you are claiming SK to cast doubt on to JCakes as well.

I think he is merely trying to sow seeds of chaos and the sooner he is ignored & voted the better. We need to work toward a Vote 1 and not be concerned with confirmed anti-town such as frozzzen.

You have voted for frozzzen haven't you MartinLong?????

 

[MartinLong]

I think he is merely trying to sow seeds of chaos and the sooner he is ignored & voted the better. We need to work toward a Vote 1 and not be concerned with confirmed anti-town such as frozzzen.

You have voted for frozzzen haven't you MartinLong?????

Your avatar freaks me out! And yes, I have voted. But, There could be some information to gain from this 'SK' and it's related to JCakes claim.

Given JCakes is psyc. he used his ability on PCM think he was the SK
There was one death last night
frozen claims SK
So, JCakes didn't stop the SK, meaning the mafia must have tried to kill me but the doc saved me.

And yes, this is a small piece and he should be ignored.

 

[flubbucket1]

Yes, MartinLong Vote 2ed: frozzzen in post #809

 

[flubbucket1]

Your avatar freaks me out! And yes, I have voted...

What freaks you out about a smiling puppy???

I point out your Vote 2 because it hasn't been tallied on page one.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Player & Vote Count

[highlight]PLAYERS ALIVE[/highlight] 1. Moar 2. Pyrotechnician 3. Caluin Graye 4. Malevolent 5. Gwaihir 6. Noodle 7. Jcakes 8. Autti 9. MartinLong 10. pancakeman 11. frozzzen 12. nulio 13. pharphis 14. thefranklin 15. Laarz 16. flubbucket 17. LozHinge the Unhinged 18. coju 19. Uraj [highlight]VOTE TALLIES[/highlight] Day Four - 18 alive (note to self you checked it, TC checked it, don't change it!) Vote 1 - 9 to lynch, 10 to lock Vote 2 -14 to lynch Vote 1: frozzen 2 (Moar, frozzzen) pancakeman 1 (Jcakes) Vote 2: frozzen 14 (Gwaihir, coju, Moar, pharphis, Jcakes, Pyrotechnician, Laarz, Caluin Graye, Malevolent, flubbucket, pancakeman, frozzzen, Uraj, thefranklin)

frozzen currently has enough to get a lynch 2 on him. Have not voted for frozzzen: MartinLong, Noodle (2 incorrect votes), nulio, Lozhinge (no posts today that I saw), and Autti. Can you guys explain what has taken so long to vote for him? Also CG and Laarz - today's alive has been changed apparently. 18 alive with 19 listed. It seems we have a vote one that would be a good idea to use. Two top suspects for me are Noodle and pancakeman - Noodle started out a bit more active and then went to complete silence, which is not suprising. More suprising is that now he has messed up voting frozzzen twice. Granted they are on the person who claimed SK, and the second was because of a differnt voting rule in this game, so I am not sure that can be used to correlate the two, but still suspicious. As for pancakeman, I need to go back and reread his response to Jcakes, but from what I remember, he basically said, well it must have been the doc who made the save. Not exactly a convincing response in my book. preview edit: flubb apparently saw ML had not voted as well.

 

[MartinLong]

What freaks you out about a smiling puppy???

I point out your Vote 2 because it hasn't been tallied on page one.

Hmm, I'll check what's wrong.

 

[Gwaihir]

Ok, who at my spacing?

frozzen currently has enough to get a lynch 2 on him. Have not voted for frozzzen:
MartinLong, Noodle (2 incorrect votes), nulio, Lozhinge (no posts today that I saw), and Autti.

Can you guys explain what has taken so long to vote for him?

Also CG and Laarz - today's alive has been changed apparently. 18 alive with 19 listed.

It seems we have a vote one that would be a good idea to use. Two top suspects for me are Noodle and pancakeman - Noodle started out a bit more active and then went to complete silence, which is not suprising. More suprising is that now he has messed up voting frozzzen twice. Granted they are on the person who claimed SK, and the second was because of a differnt voting rule in this game, so I am not sure that can be used to correlate the two, but still suspicious. As for pancakeman, I need to go back and reread his response to Jcakes, but from what I remember, he basically said, well it must have been the doc who made the save. Not exactly a convincing response in my book.

preview edit: flubb apparently saw ML had not voted as well.

 

[Gwaihir]

(Summarized: frozzzen = guilty)

Bc there is no lock on vote2 I see it being a scum trap. Plain and simple. But, I like Phar's idea so far.

Vote 2: frozzzen

Vote actually seems correct to me.

 

[MartinLong]

Vote 2: frozzzen

Is that not correct? Thy must have missed it.

 

[pharphis]

Wow, I think ML destroyed frozzzen's plans. On my phone, soo too much effort to multiquote, however. . .Regarding the description of Daphne and ML's theory against frozzzen, this almost sounds like an attempt to out the doc. I mean, if there aren't any better guesses for the mafia, then wouldn't this claim seem like the best thing frozzzen can do? They know they can't claim any roles already taken, and if this Daphne character is a common one then we should expect her to be the doc (again, unless there is a better fit which they probably would have gone with). This means the doc has to claim to disprove frozzzen or this is all in the air and they guessed wrong at the doc's role which would be even better. Or of course the doc doesn't claim because there is no reason too since we know frozzzen is guilty anyway. (Sorry if spacing didn't work )

 

[MartinLong]

From my posts I should have a V1 and V2 on frozzzen, but it's not listed?

 

[Moar]

Wow, I think ML destroyed frozzzen's plans. On my phone, soo too much effort to multiquote, however. . .Regarding the description of Daphne and ML's theory against frozzzen, this almost sounds like an attempt to out the doc. I mean, if there aren't any better guesses for the mafia, then wouldn't this claim seem like the best thing frozzzen can do? They know they can't claim any roles already taken, and if this Daphne character is a common one then we should expect her to be the doc (again, unless there is a better fit which they probably would have gone with). This means the doc has to claim to disprove frozzzen or this is all in the air and they guessed wrong at the doc's role which would be even better. Or of course the doc doesn't claim because there is no reason too since we know frozzzen is guilty anyway. (Sorry if spacing didn't work )

I really don't get what you are saying. Please explain your reasoning for us simple souls when you are at your computer again.

 

[pancakeman]

Re: Player & Vote Count

As for pancakeman, I need to go back and reread his response to Jcakes, but from what I remember, he basically said, well it must have been the doc who made the save. Not exactly a convincing response in my book.

What do you want me to say about it? There is no way to explain what happened last night unless we first know that Jcakes is confirmed in his role, which we don't, and unless I tell you my role, which I would rather not. The cop could investigate me, but I'm sure an innocent verdict would just cause you to claim me as godfather, so how exactly would you propose I prove my innocence against what is basically a straw man?
What I mean is, Jcakes saying "I blocked PCM, therefor I stopped the kill" is ignoring other possibilities. The kill might have been against ML, which seems highly likely, and the doc saved him. The SK might have targeted the same person as the mafia. Or it could be a case of Jcakes, who has attacked me several times in the past, saying what he needs to say to get rid of me.

And who says anything to get rid of somebody who is just trying to help the town? You work that bit out on your own.

 

[pharphis]

Okay, I can multiquote now.
I would consider this theory a shot in the dark, had we not already suspected frozzzen of being scum and have reason to believe there may be a doc (only 1 kill last night)

She's the live-in nurse for Frazier's father. My daughter in fact. Sheesh. I knew she'd turn out bad...Later she marries Niles (season 10?).

Unvote 1: frozzzen

Wow, sounds like a doc role more than anything else. How could this be an SK role, at the very least?
If there is a better candidate for doc then please discount this idea a little bit more than you already were

Somehow I still think you are scum and you are bluffing. You have come off as scum so far this game - a few people have seen it, then you add in a few odd lines.

"Following Martin like this will get you killed" ... interesting, what is this supposed to mean? If you are the claimed SK, then following a Cop will keep us safe, no? At least, tonight, it'll be one less death 'safe'.

"All I will say is well played: ...." Again, interesting tidbit. You mix a dead goon with two townies and a CG (unproven), Seems like a scum move to me - Me and Mal were both in radar for scum on D1, so you mix together 1 known scum, two who people thought were scum and CG who is a strong player (as to cast doubt on his alignment).

Now, you also never claimed who you killed last night yet, or any night. Not sure why you wouldn't in this situation. Being a SK, you'd be neutral and would have no issue giving up your kill list to both sides.

Me thinks you are claiming SK to cast doubt on to JCakes as well.

I agree with this completely. Frozzzen's post is stinking of lies and misdirection. I don't even expect him to respond to all of this, because I think he will try to keep his mouth shut so he doesn't reveal any more information.


Anyway, the theory:
Frozzzen and his buddies thought about who in either show sounded the most like a doc,and decided the next one of them found guilty will claim that role, and as SK. SK so that they could push more doubt on CG (By claiming the cop and some innocents are mafia - like Martin said)
Daphne was the character they chose, and because they can't choose any other dead people they went with it. (meaning Daphne is still alive, if there is one). They would have done this in hopes of a counter-claim by Daphne, so they would know who the doc probably is.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Player & Vote Count

Not at 3.20am.

Timezones ftl.

You should drink more coffee and less tea. And I'm not just saying that because I own large amounts of stock in multiple coffee companies.

I'd agree with that. Even though ML is our confirmed cop and Mal is a confirmed townie. I'm leaving out "Quote, Unquotes." Same goes for the confirmed mason townies. Just because you're on a mason team doesn't mean you're not also on the scum side of it all also.

PING. PING. PING.

Also CG and Laarz - today's alive has been changed apparently. 18 alive with 19 listed.

And nulio has voted finally. It has not been tallied yet, so we'll have to wait until Thyiad has her prescribed dosage of coffee.

Two top suspects for me are Noodle and pancakeman - Noodle started out a bit more active and then went to complete silence, which is not suprising.

Noodle is a tough read; lurkers usually are. The two botched votes are suspicious. The complete lack of participation after day 1 is suspicious. Usually Noodle pops in and asks simple, concise questions. He's not doing this game. He seems almost content to hang back and let others do the work, which is something I expect of mafia Noodle.

PCM I've stated my thoughts before.

I'd also say that coju is acting very scummy, even more than coju normally seems. Am I the only person seeing it? It may just be my overly suspicious nature, but to try casting doubt on the cop who's caught us two scum at this point in the game...

Swim lessons time, will follow up a bit more in a bit.

 

[pharphis]

I'm going to do this for now. CG is right. normally Noodle at least asks some decent, simple questions. I can't remember anything significant coming from him at all. Not even a small clarification.

Vote 1: Noodle

 

[Laarz]

From my posts I should have a V1 and V2 on frozzzen, but it's not listed?

I checked the first page and you do have a v1 and an unvote of v1 also,your v2 looks good and it comes before Thy's count so most likely answer is she just missed it, if not then something else is afoot.

 

[flubbucket1]

Okay, I can multiquote now.
I would consider this theory a shot in the dark, had we not already suspected frozzzen of being scum and have reason to believe there may be a doc (only 1 kill last night)



Wow, sounds like a doc role more than anything else. How could this be an SK role, at the very least?
If there is a better candidate for doc then please discount this idea a little bit more than you already were


I agree with this completely. Frozzzen's post is stinking of lies and misdirection. I don't even expect him to respond to all of this, because I think he will try to keep his mouth shut so he doesn't reveal any more information.


Anyway, the theory:
Frozzzen and his buddies thought about who in either show sounded the most like a doc,and decided the next one of them found guilty will claim that role, and as SK. SK so that they could push more doubt on CG (By claiming the cop and some innocents are mafia - like Martin said)
Daphne was the character they chose, and because they can't choose any other dead people they went with it. (meaning Daphne is still alive, if there is one). They would have done this in hopes of a counter-claim by Daphne, so they would know who the doc probably is.

Sounds reasonable. Hopefully you bringing it to light will allow the doc to continue to remain anonymous. We will be lynching frozzzen regardless of his eeeeevil scheme. We now need to agree on a Vote 1.

 

[MartinLong]

Noodle is a tough read; lurkers usually are. The two botched votes are suspicious. The complete lack of participation after day 1 is suspicious. Usually Noodle pops in and asks simple, concise questions. He's not doing this game. He seems almost content to hang back and let others do the work, which is something I expect of mafia Noodle.


I'd also say that coju is acting very scummy, even more than coju normally seems. Am I the only person seeing it? It may just be my overly suspicious nature, but to try casting doubt on the cop who's caught us two scum at this point in the game...

Swim lessons time, will follow up a bit more in a bit.

Coju has been on my list for quite some time. Third inline w/ Gory and frozzzen. Also, I have started to get some suspicion of Noodle as well - it's good that others know his play style.

I checked the first page and you do have a v1 and an unvote of v1 also,your v2 looks good and it comes before Thy's count so most likely answer is she just missed it, if not then something else is afoot.

Right right, forgot about the unvote. At one point I thought, maybe I have been locked out from voting (forgot which role can do that), but we will see.