Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Moar]

Short post to confirm what Autti said. He's a waiter.
I'll post more after 2nd cup of coffee and a reread.

 

[Uraj]

I see goryani doing that regardless of CG's alignment unless he was also pretty sure omg was bluffing. Then I'd say it was more likely to cause suspicion.

Five masons is a little large so a Mafia spy might be in there, but I'm fine with leaving them until later in the game. There are still plenty of unknowns left.

I'm of course on board for using vote 2 this way.

Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[Malevolent]

Yay for lynching a SK!

only 1 NK from now on should help us a ton, on the other hand it means no chance of NK on mafia but i can deal with that :wink:

 

[Moar]

Vote2 on frozzzen: If he's the SK it should work as everybody wants to get rid of the SK. I'm more confident there now.

CG: I have actually no idea why Solar said that it was either him or frozzzen, but he is a far better mafia player than I am so I don't doubt him. I just threw it out there to see the reactions to it.

JCakes: I could believe you. But you could also be scum fakeclaiming picking up on my post earlier about the SK. Which was also just thrown out there to get some reactions. If frozzzen is indeed the SK, you only blocked PCM if he is the mafia hitman. Any thoughts on that?

PCM: Strange post there. Hinting at a role that wasn't blocked. I'm suspicious of him.

Masons: I guess there are 5 of us because of the size of the game. We can chat at night and form a strategy for scumhunting the next day. Solar Ice has been the best of us by far. He suggested going after Goryani the day he showed up guilty and for today he suggested frozzzen. So I trust his judgement far more than my own. For obvious reasons.

 

[flubbucket1]

First let me say that the years have not been kind to you Bebe. Not the fox you used to be. Anyway, back to the game.

The most important thing for me to say here is that, luckily, the doc saved someone. I'm sure it is very disappointing to all the scum reading this, but my measly ability worked just fine last night. It isn't much, and it won't shape the game the way a roleblocker or cop or Mason will, but it worked, and if need be I can reveal some of it.
I have no doubt you are scumhunting Jcakes, and I won't OMGUS or anything like that because you are working to help the town just like I am and just like most of us are. I know that I was pretty lurkish today, but I was driving all over Florida looking for houses and then went to dinner and the movies so time was short. I cannot promise I will be around all the time and posting ten times a day but I will promise that I will post when I can.

Why should you believe me? I haven't claimed, what good is my word without giving up my role to back it up? I would ask you this: We've already lost several power roles, several others have been revealed. Unless this is the most absurdly powerful game ever there can't be that many more. Mine is not necessarily that powerful but it has its uses, and I think when the time is right those uses could be put to great effect if you guys can learn to trust me. I would say investigate me but we saw how that worked with Noodle, so instead I will just say do what you feel you need to, but believe me when I say that I would gladly tell you what I know if I could. That is really about it. The accusations are pretty straightforward, so I offer a straightforward defense.
Oh, and regarding my post-lock vote for Goryani, I simply didn't get in in time. Hell, Goryani didn't get in in time. That lock was so fast I was lucky to have read the thread. Yes, I think I did post before the lock. Does that mean I had time to read everything, think about it, do a bit of re-reading, then formulate my vote? No. When I did vote, it was because I wanted to show my support whether it made a difference or not. This is a lose-lose for me, apparently, because I am quite sure that if I hadn't you would be shouting about me not voting for him right about now.

As for new business, I have a strange question that doesn't really mean much, but that interests me quite a bit. I see that the Masons are generally played as a sort of separate entity, pro-town but almost like their own faction. Do the mafia know of their identities, or that they are town? This game is proving to be impossible to Google, so from now on all my questions about gameplay will go here instead of the Magical Answer Machine.

And finally, considering we have a good-as-confirmed cop now, I'm going to make like Laarz and follow him. Before you say it; yes, I distrusted him before. Yes, I announced we cannot strictly trust him. Yes, I am now changing my tune. It happens. Right about now there is no reason to distrust him, so I'm following the cop. And I'm also following pharphy's great idea.

Vote 2: frozzzen

I don't understand your reference to the mafia being town??

The game originally started with 27 people. TheReadMenace dropped leaving 26. Having five mason and five mafia leaves 16 "others." So I'm not sure where the balance issue comes in because all the others will be able to balance those 10 (says my 1st grade maff).

 

[flubbucket1]

Oh the Algebra story problem wasn't directed to Mr. Pancakes, just an overall comment on those who wish to post subterfuge instead of something valuable.

 

[thefranklin]

I was skeptical a vote 2 would work because of things like Noodles post, etc. Seems like there is already a lot of votes, so that is good. It is also good that Autti is a confirmed townie, so he can go off my list. Well, he could be a spy or traitor. Dang.

Jcakes makes a tough claim to believe, but I also don't believe that every role listed has to show up on mafiascum. If he isn't lying, it does make it more likely that the mafia have some kind of power role, too. And it's a shame we can't really lynch test Jcakes' role, either.

Unvote 1: frozzzen
Unvote 2: Autti
Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[Thyiad1]

I think some people have asked thy to clarify but she just tells us to look at the rules

Not entirely accurate.

I've done a list of votes which didn't count and stated at least twice that I've counted votes without the space if everything else is correct.

That hasn't changed since the first set of votes.

I'm currently updating the vote tally.

 

[Thyiad1]

Is certainly possible, though I would have assumed we would have gotten a very sternly worded "It was a mistake, now quite obsessing over it and let me drink my tea!" aimed at us if that were the case.

Not at 3.20am.

Timezones ftl.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

There is a lot to consider and this game shows that mafiascum cannot be taken as truth. I have questions none the less.

Your psyc. role does not match the one on mafiascum. What you described is Roleblocker.
A psyc. from mafiascum, when targeting an SK, turns that SK to a vanilla townie.

Possibilities:
1 - You are claiming truth - town - and Thy changed the role/abilities
2 - You faked a claim - scum - and screwed up greatly
3 - You are the SK and faked the claim, to divert attention.

Now, I don't think 2 is viable, as mafia are smarter than that and try to keep their stories correct. W/ 3, it's possible, but if you were to fake the psyc. role, you would probably would have gone to mafiascum to look for it - in doing so, you would have seen what the role intales and adjust your story.

I am inclined to believe you, but I state my theories just to get it out there. If you are telling the truth, that would mean that the mafia pulled the other route to kill (doc will save me, so instead of wasting the kill on the cop, we need to find the doctor -- the same logic that would have been used on N1).




To add... The governor saved me before knowing that I was truly town.


Agreed.

Derp. My mind in going a mile a minute (yeah, that fast!) I forgot about another option, which does play into your reminder

4 - Jcakes role is true, except he's scum. He claimed b/c there was only one death (the mafia missed their kill on me) - perfect role to claim, and then went to 'blocking' PCM - who, someone already suspected of being the SK.

Again, at the moment it's theorycrafting.

I was going to say you forgot an option, but quickly picked it up. There are multiple possibilities to every situation and none of them are definate until role reveal. I'm not fully inclined to believe Jcakes claim yet as town roleblocker (psychiatrist in this case I am unsure makes sense with a jailkeeper already being removed from play. Then again we had a cop flip and we have another cop so who knows.

The plan was to wait for the other waiters/masons to claim. But considering i might be the topic of discussion for a while i figured it's best for me to claim now. Sorry to break the gameplan fellow waiters, oh and a shout out to Solar Ice for his wicked scum hunting tactics.

I am Diane Chambers. I'm a waiter along with the others, who will back me up



For the record, does nobody realise that Vote2 cannot lock? Seems very risky. Maths wise can mafia win if they loose 1 a night?


As for Jcakes. Not sold on you. But if you did have that ability you would be targeting ML if you were scum. So thats something.


I was building a case against PCM last night. #555 He voted for Goryani after the lock, and it looks crafted so as to not show up in voting records.

This has been covered before, anyone that refused to vote 2 would essentially automatically be scum due to the fact that there should be no reason for a townie not to vote for a confirmed guilty result.

Noodle, I don't know if that was intentional or not, but if you don't fix it you'll be getting one of my votes today or tomorrow.
Autti,
same as what I said to Mal after explaining to everybody that vote 2 is the BEST way to lynch frozzzen. Seems risky, but it;s not, because any risk involved requires that several mafia unvote or refuse to vote at all.
As a town we should ALL vote to force this to be the truth.

Also, since there are 2 masons I thought it would be wise to mention the fact that afaik one of the mason pair (or group) can actually be mafia. At least, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Just because we have masons does not mean we should consider all of them to be innocent. Each of you (and whatever remaining masons are left) should look over your night chats and see if anyone has been trying to shift the group's thoughts elsewhere.
If i'm totally wrong about this possibility then never mind

The mason group is rather large, but this is a rather large game so there is a possibility of there being 5. There is also the possibility of one of them being scum but once again another item that cannot be confirmed until flip or investigation.

I thought this was soooo scummy at first, but I see your point the more I read the thread.



Goryani was trying to frame Caluin Graye pure and simple. Smoke and mirrors nothing altruistic to see here, now move along.



The other logical thing is you are mafia.



A scum in the hand....



Here's another thought, you're mafia as well.



ALL HOPE IS LOST....DOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM I SAY

Or maybe we could vote Pyro, He's mighty scummy!!!



You seem mafia roleblocker-ish there Lilith.

Did it just get colder in here??



Hey broomstick can't wait your turn?!?!

Vote 2: frozzzen

Excellent arguement as always glib. Tell me you didn't at least consider the possibility of CG being scum after Goryani did the quick vote.

Ok before I go any further. One thing you need to realise ML is that mafiascum is a guide only, here we use different roles, different names and sometimes things get changed for flavour. Mafiascum is good to learn the basics, but that is the way they play we play slightly differently. Case in point is the postman, which does not appear on mafiascum.

As to my specific role, it appears my role has been modified from the Roleblocker as it can only effect anti-town. As I said before, to me it feels more like a doc role in that I can save people by targetting the killer (not the victim). As for the psychiatrist bit, again I think it is flavour. My character was a psychiatrist in the series.

It can only affect antitown? Interesting, why didn't you mention this in your original role claim?

Heh, so you got me eh?

Daphne here. Serial Killer. Anti town.

Can't help myself in this situation, but town, aren't you dreaming lovely. Following Martin like this will get you killed everyone.
All I will say is well played: Gory, Martin Long, Mal and CG.
Well, anyway if you succeed my hat down to you.

That's about it. Have fun with game everyone
Over and out.

Why well played to those four specifically?

 

[nulio]

Why well played to those four specifically?

To me it looks like he's saying these four are scum.


Vote 2: frozzzen

 

[flubbucket1]

I was going to say you forgot an option, but quickly picked it up. There are multiple possibilities to every situation and none of them are definate until role reveal. I'm not fully inclined to believe Jcakes claim yet as town roleblocker (psychiatrist in this case I am unsure makes sense with a jailkeeper already being removed from play. Then again we had a cop flip and we have another cop so who knows.

***Well that's because he's not the town role blocker he's YOUR MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER. If he were town there sure would be quite a few town power roles you've listed huh??



This has been covered before, anyone that refused to vote 2 would essentially automatically be scum due to the fact that there should be no reason for a townie not to vote for a confirmed guilty result.

***This was an easy on for you since frozzzen isn't on your team, Bandwagon-a-go-go!!



The mason group is rather large, but this is a rather large game so there is a possibility of there being 5. There is also the possibility of one of them being scum but once again another item that cannot be confirmed until flip or investigation.


***I have measured your sauce and found it .....weak.



Excellent arguement as always glib. Tell me you didn't at least consider the possibility of CG being scum after Goryani did the quick vote.


***Caluin isn't one to fall easy prey to such manipulations as OMG's bomb thingy. However, I see Goryani's plan as worthy.



It can only affect antitown? Interesting, why didn't you mention this in your original role claim?

***But, bussing your buddy so quickly?? You really should learn how to hold your water better. I'm sure Goryani is rolling over in his grave watching you stab poor scummy Jcakes in the back like that.



Why well played to those four specifically?

I don't know about you other gurlz, but meza wantza drinkz!!! I'm a bit parched after all that...

Oh and...

Vote 1: Pyrotechnician

 

[coju]

To me it looks like he's saying these four are scum.


Vote 2: frozzzen

I'd agree with that. Even though ML is our confirmed cop and Mal is a confirmed townie. I'm leaving out "Quote, Unquotes." Same goes for the confirmed mason townies. Just because you're on a mason team doesn't mean you're not also on the scum side of it all also.

Btw, has anyone kept track of who claimed mason? If not, I'll tredge back through and find out for myself. :loving:

 

[Jcakes1]

It can only affect antitown? Interesting, why didn't you mention this in your original role claim?

I did, see below.

I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.

 

[pharphis]

Heh, so you got me eh?

Daphne here. Serial Killer. Anti town.

Can't help myself in this situation, but town, aren't you dreaming lovely. Following Martin like this will get you killed everyone.
All I will say is well played: Gory, Martin Long, Mal and CG.
Well, anyway if you succeed my hat down to you.

That's about it. Have fun with game everyone
Over and out.

Does anyone know who this Daphne character is? Can we use this information to lead us to more scum (the OTHER white meat?)
What I mean is that if frozzzen is the SK as he claims then the people who know more about the shows might be able to lead us to the names of the people we expect to be mafia. Not sure how useful that would be overall, but who knows.

 

[pharphis]

I'm not sure how certain the SK could be about them being scum, but the idea does scare me that they could all be scum considering the play so far. Seems unlikely?

 

[Gwaihir]

The game originally started with 27 people. TheReadMenace dropped leaving 26. Having five mason and five mafia leaves 16 "others." So I'm not sure where the balance issue comes in because all the others will be able to balance those 10 (says my 1st grade maff).

You can balance around a 5 mason group, but having that big of a group is pretty powerful. Also, why the 5 mafia part, trying to dumb down expectations? WE have had a lot of power roles in this game, and with 5 masons, I would think there are probably more than your under 1/5 the game being mafia.

Excellent arguement as always glib. Tell me you didn't at least consider the possibility of CG being scum after Goryani did the quick vote.

Also, this. I see no reason not to discuss all the options.

Btw, has anyone kept track of who claimed mason? If not, I'll tredge back through and find out for myself. :loving:

The claimed masons are SI, Moar, and Autti.

Does anyone know who this Daphne character is? Can we use this information to lead us to more scum (the OTHER white meat?)
What I mean is that if frozzzen is the SK as he claims then the people who know more about the shows might be able to lead us to the names of the people we expect to be mafia. Not sure how useful that would be overall, but who knows.

I don't understand the anti-town roles. The two we have so far are Kelly Gaines and Daphne. I wikied them both, and neither come across as a normal pick for anti-town. Maybe someone out there who knows more about cheers can say more, but I don't think we can go much off of names.

 

[Moar]

Does anyone know who this Daphne character is? Can we use this information to lead us to more scum (the OTHER white meat?)
What I mean is that if frozzzen is the SK as he claims then the people who know more about the shows might be able to lead us to the names of the people we expect to be mafia. Not sure how useful that would be overall, but who knows.

She's the live-in nurse for Frazier's father. My daughter in fact. Sheesh. I knew she'd turn out bad...Later she marries Niles (season 10?).

Unvote 1: frozzzen

 

[coju]

The claimed masons are SI, Moar, and Autti.

Thank you.

 

[MartinLong]

Heh, so you got me eh?

Daphne here. Serial Killer. Anti town.

Can't help myself in this situation, but town, aren't you dreaming lovely. Following Martin like this will get you killed everyone.
All I will say is well played: Gory, Martin Long, Mal and CG.
Well, anyway if you succeed my hat down to you.

That's about it. Have fun with game everyone
Over and out.

Somehow I still think you are scum and you are bluffing. You have come off as scum so far this game - a few people have seen it, then you add in a few odd lines.

"Following Martin like this will get you killed" ... interesting, what is this supposed to mean? If you are the claimed SK, then following a Cop will keep us safe, no? At least, tonight, it'll be one less death 'safe'.

"All I will say is well played: ...." Again, interesting tidbit. You mix a dead goon with two townies and a CG (unproven), Seems like a scum move to me - Me and Mal were both in radar for scum on D1, so you mix together 1 known scum, two who people thought were scum and CG who is a strong player (as to cast doubt on his alignment).

Now, you also never claimed who you killed last night yet, or any night. Not sure why you wouldn't in this situation. Being a SK, you'd be neutral and would have no issue giving up your kill list to both sides.

Me thinks you are claiming SK to cast doubt on to JCakes as well.