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[Solar Ice]

I would welcome an investigation.

Saying this if you are Town, only wastes an investigation better spent on someone else. If you are Scum it is a case of LAMIST hoping to discourage an investigation on yourself by implying that the cop will waste an investigation.

 

[Noodle]

I disagree that it wastes an investigation when it confirms that I am a townie. It removes me from the pool of potential mafia, and hence increases the liklihood of a successful lynch.

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

A very godfatherly thing to say there, Noodle. :nod:

I have to confess a certain sympathy for the Noodlester, he gets slated for being too posty and then for being too lurky. I have no resolution or comfort to offer him though, other than a lynch to prove his bona fides. If he flips town, I can then mourn in an appropriate fashion.

I really struggled to type this out, mnaybe I ought to go to bed now :wine:

 

[Solar Ice]

I disagree that it wastes an investigation when it confirms that I am a townie. It removes me from the pool of potential mafia, and hence increases the liklihood of a successful lynch.

It wastes that investigation in the sense of finding a Scum instead of confirming a Town. It is better to find a Mafia outright, rather to confirm a Townie.

 

[Noodle]

Yes, it's always better to find scum. I'm sorry that an investigation of me wouldn't produce such a result.

 

[nulio]

Thanks. Any special reason you decided to only RP for so long besides being busy (aka have you been taking notes on omg's South Park game)?

Well I did want to complement the RP with something more but ended up not doing it.

I thought that the RP could make some scummy to start trying to put the town against me and maybe help the more experienced players who are pro town to be able to read him/her/them.

 

[Gwaihir]

And just why would Nulio revealing this information be beneficial to the Town?

I am trying to figure out if he is town, and a bartender link would go pretty far for confirming he is. Has there ever been an anti-town with the bartender role? Basically he has been only RPing, but has the ability to say other things. I find that very unusual, especially as this is the second game in a row for it to happen.

I have to survive lynches and NKs for multiple turns, and it really does seem impossible to pull off this role without incredible luck.

Sorry, some neutral roles are just almost impossible to win with, yours may even be harder than my warder. All you can do is have fun playing them, hope you did.

 

[pancakeman]

Saying this if you are Town, only wastes an investigation better spent on someone else. If you are Scum it is a case of LAMIST hoping to discourage an investigation on yourself by implying that the cop will waste an investigation.

So if he doesn't want an investigation he is mafia and if he does he is mafia? I find it much more likely that he is simply saying that he has nothing to hide, i.e. the thing that everybody says during this game all the time. What do you want him to say? "For the love of God don't investigate me"?

Seriously, could you look scummier?

 

[Solar Ice]

Sorry, some neutral roles are just almost impossible to win with, yours may even be harder than my warder. All you can do is have fun playing them, hope you did.

Holy Wards, ftw. I actually have no idea how it would be even possible to achieve your win-con in that game. Omg has been incredibly entertaining and, far more importantly, helpful with potentially exposing Caluin Graye for Scum.

 

[Solar Ice]

So if he doesn't want an investigation he is mafia and if he does he is mafia? I find it much more likely that he is simply saying that he has nothing to hide, i.e. the thing that everybody says during this game all the time. What do you want him to say? "For the love of God don't investigate me"?


Seriously, could you look scummier?

Why would he say what he said in the first place? Let the Cop decide for himself what is the best target, perhaps? I will not argue with you now, because you are at the very top of my Scum suspect list. Sometimes, keeping ones mouth shut prevents the flies from flying in...

 

[pancakeman]

Why would he say what he said in the first place? Let the Cop decide for himself what is the best target, perhaps? I will not argue with you now, because you are at the very top of my Scum suspect list. Sometimes, keeping ones mouth shut prevents the flies from flying in...

Because he was addressing something that could easily turn into an accusation. As you well know, any accusation, if let unchecked, can get a lynch if repeated enough. After the SPF game I know that quite well. Noodle simply nipped this in the bud, and announced that he has nothing to hide. At no point did he tell the cop to investigate him. He simply didn't object to it.
And is that last bit a threat? Because it really seems like a threat. I just want everyone to take a good long look at that bit. The threat.

 

[MartinLong]

I am trying to figure out if he is town, and a bartender link would go pretty far for confirming he is. Has there ever been an anti-town with the bartender role? Basically he has been only RPing, but has the ability to say other things. I find that very unusual, especially as this is the second game in a row for it to happen.

Sorry, some neutral roles are just almost impossible to win with, yours may even be harder than my warder. All you can do is have fun playing them, hope you did.

I couldn't find any bartender roles on mafiascum. Do you think that bartender is a role? If you have seen this role before, then it could be an alias for somethings else (ie, laywer and governor). I'm siding w/ it's nothing though due to mafiascum turning no results.

 

[Gwaihir]

I couldn't find any bartender roles on mafiascum. Do you think that bartender is a role? If you have seen this role before, then it could be an alias for somethings else (ie, laywer and governor). I'm siding w/ it's nothing though due to mafiascum turning no results.

Hmm. I know I have seen the bartender role in games here at least a couple of times. Basically they choose a player each night and for that night they are allowed to talk.

 

[MartinLong]

Because he was addressing something that could easily turn into an accusation. As you well know, any accusation, if let unchecked, can get a lynch if repeated enough. After the SPF game I know that quite well. Noodle simply nipped this in the bud, and announced that he has nothing to hide. At no point did he tell the cop to investigate him. He simply didn't object to it.
And is that last bit a threat? Because it really seems like a threat. I just want everyone to take a good long look at that bit. The threat.

Interesting how Noodle's comment has played out, but there is one path that hasn't been mentioned yet. Godfather. You could take it as "I am town, I have nothing to hide and an investigation will prove that", "I am scum, pretending to be town so don't investigate me" or "I am godfather, so your vote will turn pro-town, showing I have nothing to hide". Which way will it play out?

 

[MartinLong]

**vote should be replaced w/ investigation

 

[Solar Ice]

Because he was addressing something that could easily turn into an accusation. As you well know, any accusation, if let unchecked, can get a lynch if repeated enough. After the SPF game I know that quite well. Noodle simply nipped this in the bud, and announced that he has nothing to hide. At no point did he tell the cop to investigate him. He simply didn't object to it.

Go re-read Noodles post and my response in 721 with a little bit of thought behind it then tell me how it sounds from a Town PoV and Scum PoV.

And is that last bit a threat? Because it really seems like a threat. I just want everyone to take a good long look at that bit. The threat.

LOL. Get a grip. I was referring to myself. You are trying hard to paint me as Scum as a result of OMGUS that I questioned you earlier in the Day.

 

[pancakeman]

I didn't really think of that. I guess I went with the simpler answer, but I will admit that I am wrong in not allowing for that possibility. Still, I don't see Noodle's comment as being indicative of any guilt, more as non-resistance to any investigation. If he had insisted on an investigation or tried to avoid one, those would both be pretty scummy, but passive-aggression isn't suspicious to me.

 

[pharphis]

These past two days could have been spent using our greater Mafiagame minds (Goryani, CG, Noodle, Gwaihir, Pyro, Ph, Kestegs, just to name a few I can remember off the top of my head) to figuring out why exactly we've lost 4 townspeople in 2 days, instead of, "OMG! OMGWTFBBQPWNED MUST GO!"

I'm definitely not a greater mafiagame mind I'm still new to this, and as a result ideas are planted into my head and stick there far too easily, like Gory being innocent for voting for the king :banghead:

Meh. I'm off to spend the night with friends now, so this will be my final post in this thread.

Spoiler

Firstly – I love you Thy, I’m sure you have your reasons (and your ban hammer), but I’m not sure what I could really have done here as a survivor. You did give me an awesome ability, but it’s really of no use to me if I can’t really use it to protect myself. I have to survive lynches and NKs for multiple turns, and it really does seem impossible to pull off this role without incredible luck. I’m sure you have your reasons though, and I’ll love to hear them out once the game ends.

In retrospect, it probably wasn’t the best idea to role reveal so early. I honestly was hoping for mercy from the town, but given my history, I guess this was inevitable once I revealed D1. I especially regret the decision to reveal D1 since it turns out Thyiad is probably revealing alignment/role upon death – and lo and behold, the cop dies D1. What I SHOULD have done was wait until D2, when I would have realized the most straightforward investigative role has died, and then I would have just played as a townie and hopefully coasted by. I should have revealed only when it was necessary for me to, and perhaps only when it was in my favour. Oh well.

But I didn’t just go silly-nilly reveal, I actually did think it out quite a bit. I’m pretty damn sure I would have been a prime target for either Vote 1 or Vote 2 either way even if I played normally as a Survivor – i.e someone who seems townie, yet doesn’t interfere enough to warrant a NK. I was unsure of the number of power roles with a NK ability. I was unsure how to approach this role to be honest. I figured a straight role reveal would be easiest, since it would still take A LOT of Vote 2’s to lynch me, and goddangit, it killed me. I honestly think my approach would have been a lot more successful if there was no Vote 2 mechanic implemented.

Lastly, I was debating whether or not to be the one who kills myself in to prevent whoever from dying with me (since I realize it is quite cheesy), but the possibility of someone unvoting me was too tempting. Also, I am quite bitter that I’m going out this way (I tried to help the town, the town still lynched me to improve their odds of winning), so in a way I’m kinda happy that CG is dying with me.

Well, that’s it for me. It’s a shame I have to go out this way. GL to the town, GL to the mafia, and GL to the remaining neutrals. No hard feelings either way, I would have done the same in your shoes. My apologies to CG.

And yes, my feelings towards this game remains the same:

Town: Moar.
Mafia/Anti-Town: Solar Ice, frozzzen.
People that SHOULD be investigated: CG, Noodle (you really should consider it Martin, there’s no other way to get a read on these people).


TL;DR: Good bye.

I agree on both of these if Gory flips town. If not, then I'm leaning more towards frozzzen.
Maybe I'm blinded by solar using the same reasoning as me (he wrote it first, though) to lynch gory, though

And just why would Nulio revealing this information be beneficial to the Town?

I'm wondering this as well

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[pharphis]

I didn't really think of that. I guess I went with the simpler answer, but I will admit that I am wrong in not allowing for that possibility. Still, I don't see Noodle's comment as being indicative of any guilt, more as non-resistance to any investigation. If he had insisted on an investigation or tried to avoid one, those would both be pretty scummy, but passive-aggression isn't suspicious to me.

I see it as a post with no meaning behind it. Filler, essentially.

 

[pancakeman]

Go re-read Noodles post and my response in 721 with a little bit of thought behind it then tell me how it sounds from a Town PoV and Scum PoV.

LOL. Get a grip. I was referring to myself. You are trying hard to paint me as Scum as a result of OMGUS that I questioned you earlier in the Day.

Above post was to ML, by the way.

I read it with thought behind it the first time. Noodle said he would welcome an investigation. You say that is a waste of an investigation if he is town and clearly LAMIST if he is mafia. The funny thing is, the only ways to find out are an investigation or a lynch. Are we to assume you would then claim he was obviously LAMISTing it up and say we lynch him to make sure? I know what you are trying to do, you are saying his not minding an investigation is the same as asking to be investigated and it just isn't.

As for the last part, I hope you'll forgive me for having no idea whatsoever how that applies to you. None at all. But whatevs. And why should I care if you questioned me? Several people have done that. Uraj has done that. Gwaihir has done that. I've been named as scummy by half the game. Stop putting up those straw men for a minute and read the thread and you'll see.