Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

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You're acting like I'm insane, which I spent all of,last night figuring out that I'm not.
 
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Why would you claim now? We've got plenty of hours left till deadline, you haven't got nearly enough votes to be in danger yet. Unless it's another ploy like the other posts to stop us voting you.

Or you claimed now so we'd have more time to switch, but leaving softclaims of a power role is bound to attract attention and may force you to claim. Or it were just breadcrums, but they weren't specific about any role.

All very WIFOMy, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. TC is back on!

Unvote: Marahumm
Vote: Thundercat
 
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I have three posts left after this, and I'm likely to need them at the end of the day, so I will save them until then. For now, to answer some questions I've seen, the topics I'm allowed to discuss are not limited in any way, and I don't know anything about my restriction I wouldn't have told you already, though I have a wild theory that the restriction may be a symptom of deteriorating health after being poisoned last night, which is little more than a random guess.

It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that Marahumm asked others to check profiles because it was not practical for him to do it on phone. I don't think that suspecting him because of this makes any sense, even though I disagreed with his suggestion, I do not think he would make it as scum.

I've read the entire thread, and there's not a single thing that makes me even slightly suspicious in anyone.

I've encountered this tell before in a game on mafiascum.net, where a scum player was caught for his noncommittal attitude and lack of suspects.

Unvote: Krazeyivan
Vote: Zarniwoop




 
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So Loz is it Mara's turn to be probed?:whistling:

No, I suggest we do no probing whatsoever and hope that the Mafia just decide to move on. :whistling:

Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged
I can think of one very good reason for a mafia team to punt upfield on Night 0 instead of sending in a kill - the obvious drawback may be worth it under those circumstances, plus the lack of any kind of information for the town at large mitigates the inactivity even further.

Umm, care to elaborate on what this "very good reason" is? The rest of us would like to know!

Yes, I will. See below.

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My usual concern is the usual one I have. Loz, if you're going to say "I have a suspicion, but I am not going to tell you right now", do you really think anyone is going to answer any of your questions?

Nothing personal intended, it just makes me want to slap myself with a trout.

If I want to know anything, its what you suspect? Keeping in mind that just about everyone is always wrong except by luck on day 1.

Zarni, I share your dislike for the idea of "I know something and won't tell you". Sometimes it's necessary. But see below.

I was quite suspicious of Gorny. Discounting the possibility of him being a PR, I believed that he failed to signal back to me something he should have been able to do, if he was what I thought he was. Just my luck, Gorny was a PR. I was playing percentages and lost.

I'm curious, what's the very good reason?

In a past game, as mafia, I considered not sending in a kill, but that game had unusual circumstances. We knew a roleblocker existed. We knew who was being blocked that night. I *think* the player being blocked was blocked previously, and during that night, no NK happened. It was, literally, a perfect frame setup. I can't imagine mafia knowing anything close to that amount of information N1 this game.

I too have played a game where I was mafia, but strategy dictated that I forego a NK. I had a Spanish accent that game :)

The point is that everyone (at the time I posted) who suggested that there was little or no chance that the mafia would choose not to send in a NK was over-looking the fact that in a game consisting of newcomers and experienced players, it is a valid tactic for a team of fully experienced mafia to mimic a newbie error, that of a new-to-mafia team failing to send in a NK PM.

As to why I shouldn't be lynched, I won't go any further unless I absolutely must. My top two suspects are lozhinge, with his almost eagerness to agree with sathoris about the gorny/asrrin/techno grouping and his "previous read" on Gorny, which he hasn't gone into detail yet. How has his playstyle differed from other games, Mr. Loz?

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Mara, my read of Gorny was wrong,. but the percentages said to me that he was a good choice for a Day 1 lynch. Your actions subsequently made me suspicious of you.

My vote stays on Mara as I think he is the best bet for securing a lynch. My only other leaning is towards Technomancer.

As to why I was suspicious of Gorny, I cannot yet give full details but he appeared to signal me in response to my signal to him, but he then failed to follow up with confirmation that would have made me trust him. I took this as an attempt to falsely declare his status to me, which made me suspicious. That's as clear as I can be without giving too much info away.



 
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Vote totals should be accurate again.

I'm with Leo on this one. How the hell do these votes work now. I've unvoted Gorny after his modkill, besides votes can't be on players not in the game.

Or you need to unvote and vote in the same post? And why keep the original starting votes? It makes for a very confusing votecount.

Incase it's needed.

Unvote: Gorny
Vote: Thundercat

The point is that everyone (at the time I posted) who suggested that there was little or no chance that the mafia would choose not to send in a NK was over-looking the fact that in a game consisting of newcomers and experienced players, it is a valid tactic for a team of fully experienced mafia to mimic a newbie error, that of a new-to-mafia team failing to send in a NK PM.

Yet nobody even mentioned the lack of NK is due to newcomers being mafia.


 
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Sathoris, if you're being subtle enough to try this gambit, you don't then spoil it and telegraph it! You let the town trip over the misconception on their own!

I cannot recall whether anyone mentioned that or not, but that is irrelevant. All I was positing was that there is a potential reason why a mafia team would deliberately choose not to send in a NK on Night 0. I am not suggesting for one minute that that is what actually happened.
 
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I'm with Leo on this one. How the hell do these votes work now. I've unvoted Gorny after his modkill, besides votes can't be on players not in the game.

Or you need to unvote and vote in the same post? And why keep the original starting votes? It makes for a very confusing votecount.

Yes, this day phase you need unvotes and votes in the same post. Further day phases you'll be able to unvote and vote anytime you want.

If it's the consensus that voting history is not important information, I'll remove all old votes.



 
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[OT]I'll go watch a movie before the day ends (Sixth sense)[/OT] and be back to cast my vote. But as of now, I got nothing plausible to cast a vote on.
 
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

Why would you claim now? We've got plenty of hours left till deadline, you haven't got nearly enough votes to be in danger yet. Unless it's another ploy like the other posts to stop us voting you.

Or you claimed now so we'd have more time to switch, but leaving softclaims of a power role is bound to attract attention and may force you to claim. Or it were just breadcrums, but they weren't specific about any role.

All very WIFOMy, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. TC is back on!

Unvote: Marahumm
Vote: Thundercat

I claimed earlier mainly because my choices of timing were either then and now as I had no time in between due to work. It gives players that feel the need to challenge my claim ample opportunity to do so, and I felt if I claimed now, there wouldn't be enough time to swerve the opinions of others.

Very well Marahumm, but I will be expecting a valid lynch target from you.

Whenever you decide to play the game as if you cared, you'll notice I listed suspects lozhinge and zarni before I even claimed. Or are they not valid lynch targets for some reason?


 
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hey, everyone. had a late start this morning and the roommate almost walked in on me being nude. other than that, it's been a normal day. lol!

Well great. Even if I dislike bus drivers for all the headaches they cause when trying to determine night events in the late game, he was still a town power role and a huge loss to us.

you weren't in Bad Ash's bus driver game were you? ;)

TIME SHARE SALESMEN!! :rolf: If this was my game, I wouldn't be able to help but do something like that, solely based on the SP episode!!

*...You gotta have a montage! MONTAGE! Even Rocky had a monta-age! MONTAGE!...*

"If you ski outta your league, you're gunna have a bad time."

That is a little intimidating, but look on the bright side: if you don't know how to read others, they likely don't know how to read you ether. :thumbsup:

that and you get used to it and realize other's play tactics. ^_^ i felt the same way when i first started. y'all are fine.

That's really unfair. If you're town you should have just as much motivation to find scummy players and push for their lynch. Now you're just sitting back and letting someone else find someone and if he doesn't you'll lynch him.


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Mara was a poor subsitute for a Gorny lynch anyway and you just overtook him on my list.

well, hang on Sath. iirc, last game y'all lynched me because i was the only one who had the most votes and "a lynch was better than no lynch!" it sucked a lot because i was at work and was unable to post. if you think what TC is doing is unfair, how do you feel about my lynch last game?

Put Assrin behind Mara in the list of okay to be lynched. That was a bad post Assrin.

ONE "S", Sath. ONE "S" and two "R"s.

I have three posts left after this, and I'm likely to need them at the end of the day, so I will save them until then. For now, to answer some questions I've seen, the topics I'm allowed to discuss are not limited in any way, and I don't know anything about my restriction I wouldn't have told you already, though I have a wild theory that the restriction may be a symptom of deteriorating health after being poisoned last night, which is little more than a random guess.

really now? in your next post you can or cannot reply, but do you feel you will live to see tomorrow?

[OT]I'll go watch a movie before the day ends (Sixth sense)[/OT]

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"when Bruce Willis was dead at the end of Sixth Sense...."


 
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TC and Asrrin are at the top of my list now as a result of that utterly bizarre logic.

However, I'm going with Asrrin because of the piling on to already weak reasoning.

Vote: Assrin

I am not one of those that feels the town must lynch someone when absolutely nothing is known and there is nothing to be learned from the lynch. Especially, when I have a strong suspicion that Mara is a power town role based on his comments.
 
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Dammit.. I Forgot my unvote.

Preview edit - well that's convenient, I'm already voting for him.
 
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TC and Asrrin are at the top of my list now as a result of that utterly bizarre logic.

However, I'm going with Asrrin because of the piling on to already weak reasoning.

Vote: Assrin

I am not one of those that feels the town must lynch someone when absolutely nothing is known and there is nothing to be learned from the lynch. Especially, when I have a strong suspicion that Mara is a power town role based on his comments.

It's been proven over and over that lynching everyday, even if it's completely random, benefits the town. I am, and always have been an advocate of lynching. If you want to vote me because of that fine. I'm not unvoting Mara because of the current rules of today, I can't unvote without first voting someone. The only other person that I have suspicions on are Sathoris. Everyone else hasn't said much and there isn't enough information to lynch. Once I find another viable lynch candidate, I'll unvote Mara because of his claim. Though I still doubt the veracity of his claim, I'm hestant to lynch a claimed power role.


 
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Show me a link to the proof that lynching someone every day, even if that person is say a cop or a doctor or something valuable, is better than avoiding the lynch altogether for the town.
 
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