Re: Community Forum Mafia Game #2 Live or Die
I'm no buying xvart's "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one" story just yet.
We are a mass of people on day one with extremely limited (and unfounded) information at this point. We must rely on the "needs of the many" at this point. I would almost suggest that anyone with a selfish attitude at this point is more scummy than those looking out for the best interest of everyone.
If we lynch CC and he is a townie, then that's one down, another dies during the night and we are down by two.
Yes; however, you cannot count the second person because someone will die at night no matter what (provided no doctor save occurs or some other power role). SO, for the purpose of this example, the second kill doesn't count since it is a moot point. That will occur regardless of the lynch outcome. Pretty sneaking, though; I almost missed that.
If we do not lynch CC and we lynmch (lynmch?? lol) a townie by mistake, then we're still down two.
Unless CC is a mafia; then you are only down one.
If we don't lynch CC and we do manage to lynch a mafia then CC is saved today but there's no saying he might die at night from the mafia or at any other time from some other attack (like a Vigi or SK if there are)
But he might be mafia.
By killing CC, the point is this:
If CC is mafia, then killing him eliminates a mafia and we do not lynch a townie.
If CC is town, then killing him eliminates killing someone (who likely is not mafia) thereby killing two townies in the first day. Odds are, this will be the outcome since the first day is just a bunch of people reading into every little detail about alignment.
I fully recognize that the best possible scenario would be to pick someone other than CC, that person be a mafia, and CC is free. But truly, does anyone think that that is going to happen based on the dialogue thus far?
The safest play for the town (given there is a SK) is to vote CC. I don't think CC has said anything that necessarily aligns him with either town or mafia; but, I believe this is the best play for the town. Had this conversation started on any other day, I would not suggest killing CC; but since there is relatively any substantial evidence for anyone this is the best course of action.
If we do what I suggest, the worst possible scenario (for the town) is we kill one townie and the best possible scenario is we kill one mafia.
Lynching anyone else, the wost possible scenario (for the town) is we kill two townies and the best possible scenario is we kill one mafia.
I feel if we lynch CC its about the same as going for a no-lynch just because you don't accidently want to waste a townie when your not sure. If we nail a mafia CC lives and thats the better deal, we should aim for that. Thats my opinion at least
I would rather not run the risk of killing two townies, which is my point.
While the logic of "lets only lose one townie today" does indeed make sense, why bring this out now rather than earlier?
I thought of it (and "brought it out") as soon as I read the mention of the Serial Killer. Without a serial killer, killing CC would not be in the best interest of the town since, based on the story, CC is likely to be town. However, with a SK, CC is just as likely to be town or mafia as anyone else on the first day.
Is this a desperation move to sway the town into killing one townie, thereby leaving one less for the mafia to kill?
I'm simply trying to avoid accidentally killing two townies.
But nevertheless, being wrong or a newbie rarely makes anyone scum instantly. I'd assume the real mafia are just watching by.
Yes. Or perhaps the mafia is instigating some townie lynches...
At this point, xvart seems highest on my list of suspicious peolple to vote a lynch on. For the defensiveness of the newbie card and also the sudden vote for CC out of the blue.
I must be mistaken, but I don't recall being defensive at all. When asked to prove that I am not mafia based solely on the fact that I am a nooby I said:
Hi Liquid. To answer your question, you shouldn't target me because lack of recent posting has no bearing on role assignments (as far as I know). Also because I am not scum. :wink:.
What else is there to say? In fact, I can't imagine being any less defensive. lol. Furthermore, my CC vote was hardly out of the blue. It was based on the conversation regarding a SK and the logic I explained.
It seems to me, Gorny, that you are reaching (and successfully I might add).
Xvart seems to have a hidden agenda and if not, there's still fishyness there.
My "hidden agenda" is to save the town, whether you are a townie or not.
xvart.
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