Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I'm sorry, only had time to glance this morning, just wanted to get at least something in if I didn't have time to get back on.
Every single post past Sitro's has assuemd that he is the cop. Why? Why do you trust him? Noone else has counter-claimed against him which seems pretty definitive, however the cop could already be dead, which the mafia would know and then be free to claim that role.
I don't think its likely that we have two healers. One of you is mafia, and going by my past suspicions its Jaago. I have also thought (since at least yesterday) that Sitro is the other mafia, this has been backed up by his role-claim today, which I think is obfuscatory, it makes too many assumptions, and conveniently doesn't really give the town any more info other than to back up his buddy Jaago.
I know its a dangerous game to lynch a cop-claimer, so as I said, I have no problem with being lynched, because I want the town to win, and I think we still have time left even wasting a night lynching me to prove me innocent. This does assume that the mafia don't have some super-duper role that can take out more than one person, that I am not lying and that I am not wrong.
I've been right up until now however:
Who found hey suspicious first? Me. The only reason I didn't revote later is that my schedule ain't great for catching day-ends and I have only limited acces to the net during the day.
Who found fbz suspicious? Me. I voted first and stuck to it.
I have been stating my answers as facts to try and force the mafia to do something radical, sitro's role-claim is it, and as I said, feel free to lynch me, just win the game after.
Good luck everyone.
I'm sorry, only had time to glance this morning, just wanted to get at least something in if I didn't have time to get back on.
Every single post past Sitro's has assuemd that he is the cop. Why? Why do you trust him? Noone else has counter-claimed against him which seems pretty definitive, however the cop could already be dead, which the mafia would know and then be free to claim that role.
I don't think its likely that we have two healers. One of you is mafia, and going by my past suspicions its Jaago. I have also thought (since at least yesterday) that Sitro is the other mafia, this has been backed up by his role-claim today, which I think is obfuscatory, it makes too many assumptions, and conveniently doesn't really give the town any more info other than to back up his buddy Jaago.
I know its a dangerous game to lynch a cop-claimer, so as I said, I have no problem with being lynched, because I want the town to win, and I think we still have time left even wasting a night lynching me to prove me innocent. This does assume that the mafia don't have some super-duper role that can take out more than one person, that I am not lying and that I am not wrong.
I've been right up until now however:
Who found hey suspicious first? Me. The only reason I didn't revote later is that my schedule ain't great for catching day-ends and I have only limited acces to the net during the day.
Who found fbz suspicious? Me. I voted first and stuck to it.
I have been stating my answers as facts to try and force the mafia to do something radical, sitro's role-claim is it, and as I said, feel free to lynch me, just win the game after.
Good luck everyone.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
We have time to lynch you, the other two targets I mentioned (if you agree with the assumptions that need to be made each way) and also lynch me to prove that I'm telling the truth. The only question left for the town is whether or not the people on the semi-trusted list can be trusted or not, because we can easily show me to be cop on tomorrow's lynch if need be.
This wasn't a radical move. This was necessary.
We have time to lynch you, the other two targets I mentioned (if you agree with the assumptions that need to be made each way) and also lynch me to prove that I'm telling the truth. The only question left for the town is whether or not the people on the semi-trusted list can be trusted or not, because we can easily show me to be cop on tomorrow's lynch if need be.
This wasn't a radical move. This was necessary.
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I said the same thing - once the mafia know they have killed the cop just run thru the NK reveals and call them investigations.
However as Noammr pointed out - this claim either comes up good or sitro is making himself look like mafia.
Is there anyway that sitro can still insist if we lynch spigot that it is just a goof and he is still cop? Sorry can't remember why sitro is claiming spigot has to be mafia.
I still don't understand why sitro did not investigate Aman - he has investigated dead people and Jaago only.
I am ambivalent about this lynch.
Anyone else with a good idea?
Iam not buying 100% into the cop claim.
I said the same thing - once the mafia know they have killed the cop just run thru the NK reveals and call them investigations.
However as Noammr pointed out - this claim either comes up good or sitro is making himself look like mafia.
Is there anyway that sitro can still insist if we lynch spigot that it is just a goof and he is still cop? Sorry can't remember why sitro is claiming spigot has to be mafia.
I still don't understand why sitro did not investigate Aman - he has investigated dead people and Jaago only.
I am ambivalent about this lynch.
Anyone else with a good idea?
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
@Spigot: You duck some questions here. Your post 487...
If you are the townie you claim, your post here is quite bold for your role claim. The fact you switch off of it to Aman is the turn point for your credibility in my eyes...
Your counters so far have been as strong as Hey's when he was selected for lynch.
This night will be interesting... I think I'll be killed because it will keep the mystery as is and give minor confirmation to Sitro's claim I was townie. Jaago already targeted himself so if he is actually townie he will survive tonight as did Nolecub (based on his previous assertion). Bob & Erwwd more than likely would not be killed because it still makes a 50/50 chance for if Sitro is cop, to pick the "right" one if he is mafia faking a cop. Killing one of them may be also be in interest of the mafia because it would make Sitro look even more unreliable by selecting another NK'd to investigate...
So many possibilities here...
But I think if you hadn't made this post above spigot, (or had switched your vote to Aman) I would still be voting for Jaago, his lynch would confirm Sitro & Aman at the same time of either being pro-town or mafia. However if you are mafia, it is interesting to note that after Hey also targeted Aman as he went down in flames... mafia turning on themselves maybe...
@Sitro: You stated you are targeting either Bob or Erwwwd. If you survive tonight, (I mean Aman, Jaago, or Nolecub could be an excuse for your survival) don't you think gaining some light to your semi column would also be an alternative as well. Researching Nolecub, Aman, or either mason also helps the town as well by breaking the lies if any. Just a thought...
I think maybe a no kill today would benefit the town if we can get organized to protect Sitro and let him go on record into investigating either Spigot or any of the others that have claimed a role. The 1 mafia night kill doesn't give them much an edge in comparison.
As is check before post I see Sitro you are thinking along the same lines
GG
@Spigot: You duck some questions here. Your post 487...
As I said in my last post, the errors that were there were there for a reason, I know what's going on already, so I will limit my first post to a vote. Its correct so you can either back me up or not, I'm afraid the rest of this game won't be very interesting as long as I have the support of the rest of the players (but then again, how do you know I'm telling the truth :azn
vote: jaago
If you are the townie you claim, your post here is quite bold for your role claim. The fact you switch off of it to Aman is the turn point for your credibility in my eyes...
Your counters so far have been as strong as Hey's when he was selected for lynch.
This night will be interesting... I think I'll be killed because it will keep the mystery as is and give minor confirmation to Sitro's claim I was townie. Jaago already targeted himself so if he is actually townie he will survive tonight as did Nolecub (based on his previous assertion). Bob & Erwwd more than likely would not be killed because it still makes a 50/50 chance for if Sitro is cop, to pick the "right" one if he is mafia faking a cop. Killing one of them may be also be in interest of the mafia because it would make Sitro look even more unreliable by selecting another NK'd to investigate...
So many possibilities here...
But I think if you hadn't made this post above spigot, (or had switched your vote to Aman) I would still be voting for Jaago, his lynch would confirm Sitro & Aman at the same time of either being pro-town or mafia. However if you are mafia, it is interesting to note that after Hey also targeted Aman as he went down in flames... mafia turning on themselves maybe...
@Sitro: You stated you are targeting either Bob or Erwwwd. If you survive tonight, (I mean Aman, Jaago, or Nolecub could be an excuse for your survival) don't you think gaining some light to your semi column would also be an alternative as well. Researching Nolecub, Aman, or either mason also helps the town as well by breaking the lies if any. Just a thought...
I think maybe a no kill today would benefit the town if we can get organized to protect Sitro and let him go on record into investigating either Spigot or any of the others that have claimed a role. The 1 mafia night kill doesn't give them much an edge in comparison.
As is check before post I see Sitro you are thinking along the same lines
GG
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Unvote Spigot
I'd like to see what happens now...
Unvote Spigot
I'd like to see what happens now...
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
One way or the other, we need a lynch today. I've waffled so much today I am thinking about asking Gorny to change my screen name to Eggo.
We have time to sort out the mafia in the coming days. As I have stated previously, the mafia has to get rid of the masons and myself for sure in the next couple of nights.
I agree that SiTro's claims anyone could make. Since Jaago is not denying he is the white mage, that would leave 4 nights of planned kills for the mafia. Add to that aman's implied powers, leaves a lot of power remaining on the townies side.
Spigot - are you saying you are just a plain townie?
I believe that SiTro will be lynched tomorrow if you are town. The question that lies ahead for us in the next couple of hours is: Who do we want lynched today to give us the most information?
One way or the other, we need a lynch today. I've waffled so much today I am thinking about asking Gorny to change my screen name to Eggo.
We have time to sort out the mafia in the coming days. As I have stated previously, the mafia has to get rid of the masons and myself for sure in the next couple of nights.
I agree that SiTro's claims anyone could make. Since Jaago is not denying he is the white mage, that would leave 4 nights of planned kills for the mafia. Add to that aman's implied powers, leaves a lot of power remaining on the townies side.
Spigot - are you saying you are just a plain townie?
I believe that SiTro will be lynched tomorrow if you are town. The question that lies ahead for us in the next couple of hours is: Who do we want lynched today to give us the most information?
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I am puzzled why you think the mafia would target the masons when they are people out their saying they can stop thier night kills for 2 days, deflect the target, or investigate the roles, or select one person a night to protect. Why do you think the mafia will continue to let them survive and focus on the mason? Thier thread level is ice water compared to the lava of the others on the table
I am puzzled why you think the mafia would target the masons when they are people out their saying they can stop thier night kills for 2 days, deflect the target, or investigate the roles, or select one person a night to protect. Why do you think the mafia will continue to let them survive and focus on the mason? Thier thread level is ice water compared to the lava of the others on the table
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Read. My. Posts.
I haven't investigated spigot. That is why even I'm uncertain as to whether he is mafia or not. But what made him so suspicious to me is that I can't see any way to paint him as townie like I can with yourself or MassiveSin, and that in #487 he implies he is the cop. He is lying. The town should always lynch liars.
You still imply that I chose to investigate people because they were dead. Not true.
A no-lynch today is bad for the town. We need to lynch someone, and that person needs to be either spigot, BobTheWarrior or Erwwwd. Those names are ranked in the order of my personal preference. Do this and tomorrow I will have a lot more information about who we should lynch. If the town as a whole still doesn't believe me then, the best play is to lynch me. Then you'll see that I am the cop and look back over these strategies.
Read. My. Posts.
I haven't investigated spigot. That is why even I'm uncertain as to whether he is mafia or not. But what made him so suspicious to me is that I can't see any way to paint him as townie like I can with yourself or MassiveSin, and that in #487 he implies he is the cop. He is lying. The town should always lynch liars.
You still imply that I chose to investigate people because they were dead. Not true.
A no-lynch today is bad for the town. We need to lynch someone, and that person needs to be either spigot, BobTheWarrior or Erwwwd. Those names are ranked in the order of my personal preference. Do this and tomorrow I will have a lot more information about who we should lynch. If the town as a whole still doesn't believe me then, the best play is to lynch me. Then you'll see that I am the cop and look back over these strategies.
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
hey that was my joke...
COGITO EGGO SUM
I think, therefore I am ... a waffle
We do have time but we need best bang for the buck here.
hey that was my joke...
COGITO EGGO SUM
I think, therefore I am ... a waffle
We do have time but we need best bang for the buck here.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
:wink3: Correct +2 for Sitro in my book for not taking the bait.
Odd number players are not good for the town to win. (2 unknown townies vs 1 mafia)
Thank you Sitro
Vote Spigot
:wink3: Correct +2 for Sitro in my book for not taking the bait.
Odd number players are not good for the town to win. (2 unknown townies vs 1 mafia)
Thank you Sitro
Vote Spigot
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
sitro
you say...
'You still imply that I chose to investigate people because they were dead. Not true.'
That is not what I am saying. I am not saying you only investigated dead people.
I was confused momentarily and corrected it that I thought you investigated Thyiad when she was dead.
I am saying it is a good mafia trick once you have killed the cop to run thru the NKs, list the roles and call that information the result of cop investigations.
I still have my vote on Sitro.
sitro
you say...
'You still imply that I chose to investigate people because they were dead. Not true.'
That is not what I am saying. I am not saying you only investigated dead people.
I was confused momentarily and corrected it that I thought you investigated Thyiad when she was dead.
I am saying it is a good mafia trick once you have killed the cop to run thru the NKs, list the roles and call that information the result of cop investigations.
I still have my vote on Sitro.
MassiveSin
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Soylentred
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Sorry meant to say I still have my vote on Spigot.
Sitro,
I still have not figured out if your constant re-wordings and misquotings are art or artifice.
Sorry meant to say I still have my vote on Spigot.
Sitro,
I still have not figured out if your constant re-wordings and misquotings are art or artifice.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Because the masons are the only 2 townies that REALLY know they can trust each other.
Because the masons are the only 2 townies that REALLY know they can trust each other.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I can see that being an issue when their 2 votes equalys 40+% of the required vote but as is next round they will be 33% of the vote and it takes one night kill to correct that. It doesn't become a real issue until they equal 50%+. which would be 2 nights from now.
I can see that being an issue when their 2 votes equalys 40+% of the required vote but as is next round they will be 33% of the vote and it takes one night kill to correct that. It doesn't become a real issue until they equal 50%+. which would be 2 nights from now.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Assuming daily lynches and nks..
Assuming daily lynches and nks..
