Before I reply to Nikon, which I will do, sorry Rash, you were right, I left RK alive in my table so I counted one more to be alive.
Okay next: Nikon, you're reaching. I was actually hoping you'd bring something worthwhile during the table so we can start discussing for real. Oh well, let's answer a monster with a monster.
First off, let me begin by reiterating the theory that the mafiosi weren't active in the beginning. We know that Sint posted during the night which means he must have seen his PM at least. <snip> Fast forward to Sint's next post - at that time, the game is already well underway. He says: ''Don't worry, everything (everyone) is fine and I'm back again with daily access to the intarweb. <snip> I haven't read the thread, yet, however I skimmed trough it and noted skool's post on the page before this one.''
What does this mean? It means that he wasn't able to do anything during the night either.
No actually that means I hadn't been active during the day. It's funny how you say that I would've seen my PM, but wasn't able to do anything during the night. If I may be so bold I'd like to ask Skoolbus to actually confirm that I have sent him a PM asking to post for me if I had to leave before the day started or couldn't get back in time. And even so, if I had seen my PM and I was a mafia, why was there no kill? Because I was linked to others that supposedly weren't active? Why would I need others. This discussion has been outed in the thread before, only one mafia member has to be there to make the kill.
His next post is as follows: <snip the brak stuff> It seems to reinforce his point about Brak, however, Brak stated that he's not starting a bandwagon, and does not want to lynch SkunkBelly. Why are you trying to lynch him them?
I was trying to lynch him because Brak made a post that was wrong (saying somethign about post counts that wasn't true), voting for someone pretty much out of the blue and like I said, pretty much random. He picked Skunk but he could've picked a few others as well. I found it something that the mafia could do to divert attention.
Yes, he could've had a role. But why didn't the mafia pick someone else like Moar or you? Oh, wait.
Yeah, oh wait what? Still saying I wasn't active at night and thus am mafia? Sigh..
Next up: <sint's quote about CDRT's crooked cop story>
This one's easy. Moar tries to shut him up with the added benefit of making it look like he's being protected from xduckster. Some fingers pointed.
Honestly what? Moar shut up CDRT and make it look like CDRT is protected? I don't get this one. (This isn't to counter the vote, I seriously don't get it, explain please..)
Next:
<sint's posting:
Okay about Drixx:
He had contact with more people then his posts showed on first sight...
He met Brak twice. First suspiciously lying low and the second time perhaps being the
crooked detective.
Goltar once..
cygnus once..
Rev twice, he voted against Rev and the second time said he might be the village idiot.
moar once, voted for him.
All of the "contacts" don't seem that interesting however if you combine it with my last post (about CDRT) you can see they both get Moar back in it. I still don't know for sure, but to me it looks like a set up. Both aren't that obvious (easy to look over and think ''that's not too much''), but also not hard to find (both are votes). Before I truly make up my mind if it's a set up, coincidence or bad play I'm going to point my finger..
Nikon suspects Moar which is probably genuine.. can't tell that (so if it's a set up he might still be a normal townie maybe not even noticing it), however it is the second time Rash jumped on the band wagon ''voting along'' with someone.
Rash, you seem good on day one, but you mess up hopping along someone. Please explain your votes more before making them (that goes for the opening vote today too).. If I were you I would've waited for Nikon's reply to Moar before doing anything.
Vote Rash
end of sint's posting>
Oh, so now, they're setting up Moar. How convenient. I'm being led by the nose, funny, that means that people should discredit anything I say cause I'm a puppet and Rash is being so suspicious that he's being designated as a lynchee, trying to lift some work off you hands the easy way, eh?
Yes, I said before and I'll say it again, it did/does look like the mafia is setting up Moar with that kill+imprisonment. It could be she is mafia and they trusted it not to be noticed, didn't think about it, or tried some reversed psychology, I just mentioned it did look that way. I just said about your vote for moar that it just fitted that picture. Also, I think that vote for Rash pretty much explains itself. You're reaching again trying to find something that isn't there. He was bandwagonning and not explaining enough. I found it suspicious. Is that wrong? I think there are quite a lot more votes in the thread that have less reasoning behind it.
?? Are you just trying to make random quotes pulling things out of perspective? This is what it looks like.
<sint's post saying (among other things) I didn't like the way Rash posted, but that he's making some sence. end sint's post>
In this piece you mark Rash as drawing too much attention. I.E. unsafe to kill at night.
What does this have to do with anything? I think Rash is unsafe to kill at night? If I were mafia wouldn't I go after him by day then? To be honest I did actually think Rash was the witness at some point in the game, but that was more because he said somewhere along the line ''if the doc sees this, don't bother saving me tonight''.
Next, you draw attention to RK, who's apparently the VI:
<sint saying he thinks Rev is the VI>
A big post of nothing. You even say it yourself in the end. But it's all good as long as it occupies the townies. Except that jrla is labeled a townie, not attracting too much attention, a safe target to kill, mark this and remember it.
Here you state the importance of discussing townie roles (eh?) and vote for Rev, who's not the VI any more.
First about Rev. Yeah at first I thought he was the VI. I thought he was over-doing it making it look as if he was trying too hard and we'd lynch him anyway. I posted that. However after that he posted again going even deeper. He was attracting too much attention and even though I thought he might be the VI (note that at that point I was less certain), I thought his play was distracting to be helpfull in finding the mafia. Which comes down to discussing roles. Town roles. I find it's better to get an indication of whatever everyone might be then not discussing. The mafia sure won't discuss their roles, so we at least get some information. Oh and about pointing to Jrla, why shouldn't I have? He was likely to be townie based on the list I made. I was right. In your opinion that makes me mafia?
And
here you unvote him until he gets back to being the idiot. Why would you vote for the VI, it's just a waste.
Basically, you're saying here, if someone tries to behave like the VI you'd off him, that's what you're saying.
Pretty much a self confession.
Yes, I would vote for him again if he would go back to his act. Again: he was distracting the crowd to where we shouldn't be looking. And yes that ''pretty much a self confession'' bit is sincere. I will vote for people I'm not sure about that they're mafia, if it simplifies the game. I thought (and still think) the mafia is lying low and is using the big posters to divert attention. So if we get to less people the mafia will have to step up and we can spot them.
"He's not mafia, but since he's the most popular I'll just go with the flow."
Again perfectly ripped out of context. I'll say it once more I guess. Yes I will vote for a lynch even if I'm not totally sure. I also didn't say Jae wasn't mafia, I said I didn't find enough evidence.
We lynch Jae, and what do you know? jrla is dead. You're also promoting the idea that Jae is the crooked cop. I find that highly unlikely. I'm saying the crooked cop is just laying low, a clever ruse to throw us off, since you yourself pointed to Jae and
VOTED for him.
You're actually contradicting yourself here by quoting my post, seeing how I literally said that I found it too good to be true if Jae was the crooked cop.
This is a big post of "lets stare at eachother and make wild assumptions". Next one is basically saying that jrla's murde r doesn't lead anywere. How
strange.
Of all the posts I made making more wild assumptions (for example the one where I give my ''view'' on people) you pick one based on logic. I looked at post count and vote, based purely on the table. I can't find anything wrong with it and at least I'm trying to encourage discussion to see how people think/feel about others. Should we all just be quiet and vote randomly?
Here you point your finger to xduckster with the claim that he made up a quote. But instead you twist his words and call him a liar flat-out. Nice "discovery", eh?
Sigh, this is just wrong. You're just going to wrong way here. xduck did make a mistake and I said that if he was going to stand by his point he indeed did lie. Which was true. He apologised later on. Honestly, why are you putting this in? Probably to make your next point..
<sint's post about xduck after he noticed his mistake>
You mark a certain behaviour mafiaish but you behave exactly the same way in your post. In most of your posts, if I dare say so myself. Pointing at random people and mostly bandwagoning. You're not? Then why did you vote for Jae? Why Rash, why RK?
The same behaivior? I knew I was right because I did read back. He posted he was right and suspected me because of me saying something else without looking it up. Did we act the same? I think not. Where have I pointed at random people? Where did that come from? I'm not going to explain my votes over and over again, I did that every time I voted. Seriously, you're now accusing me of doing something that just isn't true. Again.
Sint: ''Yeah Brak, however this still is the kind of thing to look for. Minor slip up's, strange wordings etc. I am more carefull this time though..''
So, that's basically what Moar did.
Yes, I guess you can say that. I still stand by my previous notes that I was/am not convinced.
<post by sint on why the mafia would leave Rev in if he was the VI (attracting too much attention) and why the mafia would want the VI in in general>
Brilliant. You used him as a magnet, to attract attention with his weird post, pretty much stopping the thought process of the town.
Actually he did it himself if you hadn't notice it. Before the part you quoted he already gave up his act which was good. I also gave my opinion about the VI which pretty much within the next few posts was reasoned away by others about why the VI shouldn't be kept in. It annoys me that you keep taking stuff out of context.
<sint calling everyone stupid>
Because you know something that we don't? Also, no u.
Oh my.. I can't even have fun anymore?
sint: me asking rash why he told w_m was a mason>
Basically, you tell us that Rash is a mafia collaborator. Incidentally, him pointing out that doesn't mean anything since if one of the masons is dead the other one is just a townie, not a free kill.
Sigh yet again wrong. I even said he gave the mafia a free kill if they followed his reasoning, if I thought he was mafia I would've said something about that or why he would reveal it if he were. Also, ''just a townie'' is ''a free kill'' for the mafia. If they hit just a townie they didn't hit the witness.
A big table, AND. You tell us that the most likely mafiots are Jaago (dunno lol), Moar (wait! I thought she was being set up? Mark his suspicion of her, it'll come in play later), ToI (Townie, EOD) and Thyiad.
Now I see why you point her out as the VI, but that's just her normal demeanor, you can check last round and you'll see that's how she generally handles. Notice that at this point the suspicion for VI is switched away from RK and Sint votes for a townie yet again, stating that he'd look into Lister next. Eh?
Do you even read my posts or do you just pick snippets and run with it? I made a post about everyone there and my reasoning behind it. I'm not even going to defend against this one.. seriously..
Oh look
here, ToI is a mafioso, bandwagon him!!!1 I mean liek he didn't participate in teh early stages. Notice how that is shifting suspicion back to the inactive roles. However Sint is now very active and is counting that everyone has forgotten his early game post.
... again.. I didn't reason my vote? I made a strange post? I think I am at least doing research that has some foundation and I found it suspicious. Forgotten what early game post? Again, honestly, explain?
Yet
more finger pointing here, trying to discredit Rash, and calling for reasonable voting when this is not the thing he has been doing.
I haven't reasoned about my voting? ...
Here he calls for the town to NOT HAVE an actual strategy. Convenient? Then he asks for the townies with roles to step up because they haven't done anything yet. M'kay.
Lmao. I'm actually saying that having a strategy is the good way to go, however I didn't see how Gohabs was going to get a good strategy the way he said. I didn't ask the roles to step up, I said it would be pretty random untill they do. Which is true. I don't like it if the cop steps up and gets killed, however if he does have a mafia name then that can help us track down the others.
You're doing exactly the same that
you claim Jaago is doing. Note how Sint claims that returning a vote is suspicious.
I'm doing what? I'm voting for jaago because he voted for me? He didn't do that. Again.. don't see your point. Think I reasoned my voted again there.
Notice that Moar returns my vote
here. Notice how she's on Sint's "Suspicious people" list, yet he seems to ignore what's going on in the thread despite the fact that he voted for Jae under similar circumstances earlier. And rambles happily about Lister. The same Lister that pointed a finger at him. It only makes sense that Sint would try to discredit him now. Then Sint blathers a tl;dr post about how he learned to play and stuff. Divert attention much?
Yes returning a vote ''because the person voted for you'' is lame. Moar didn't vote for you ''because you voted for her'', she voted for you because you jumped her with (for her) no good reason and tried to start a bandwagon along with someone else. Yes I was buisy with Lister, is that strange? He called me the mafia mastermind, odd that I think he has the priority. Oh and again, I can't say something that isn't directly linked to the discussion? I thought people might actually find it interesting .. no, I'm not going to explain that.
Hackity-slash, night 3, day 3. Notice how RK who wasn't the prime candidate for the VI anymore got killed? Yea, thought so. Crooked cop is laying low, trying to instigate the idea that Jae had that role.
He
claims that Moar was likely set up and he just stated that. I thought she was in your suspicious list? What happened with the sudden change of mind? Next, you try to discredit me by putting me together with a "known mafia member" lael.
I don't even know what to say about this.. I haven't anywhere said I thought Moar was either mafia or townie. I was and still am undecided. I didn't just state she was likely set up, I stated everything I said about her. Strange how you only seem to read what you want to read. I didn't try to discredit you by putting you together with a ''known mafia member'' because I never even said Lister was mafia. Again you're reaching. You're right about discrediting you, because you're wrong about me. However in my opinion you did it yuorself with this big post.
If I was the cop and you were mafia I wouldn't just step up, since all 3 are still alive and that'd just mean I'll kill myself unless I reveal all 3. Asking for me to do so makes no sense if you're a townie.
That just doesn't make sence. If you're the cop you should give the town the information. It is more likely that you're killed before the moment you planned to give out all the info (or unveiling all 3 of them) then making sure you take out at least one. You stated you're 100% sure, which could only be true if you were the cop and I was the mafia. I now think we're both not.
Post #645: Yet again you pull a quote out of context.
Sorry I think you're reaching too far. I think it's good that you're actually doing this to me, since I can explain myself. I hope you don't do it again to someone who has less time or energy to say things over and over again since we might lynch the wrong person. I do hope you'll explain the (two? I think) bits I asked for extra explanation.
Wow.. again a big post.
