LORD NIKON
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Ye, sorry about that, I pulled an all nighter away from home and fell asleep when I got back in the morning.
OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three
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Ye, sorry about that, I pulled an all nighter away from home and fell asleep when I got back in the morning.
LORD NIKON
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First off, let me begin by reiterating the theory that the mafiosi weren't active in the beginning. We know that Sint posted during the night which means he must have seen his PM at least. Fast forward to Moar's post indicating that's she'd be taking over Neksja's role. As a newcomer she hadn't seen her PM yet. Notice that it's already a day. Fast forward to Sint's next post - at that time, the game is already well underway. He says:
What does this mean? It means that he wasn't able to do anything during the night either.
Coincidence? I think not. His next post is as follows:
It doesn't mean much, if anything by itself. However, it was followed by:
This still doesn't mean much BUT two posts later:
It seems to reinforce his point about Brak, however, Brak stated that he's not starting a bandwagon, and does not want to lynch SkunkBelly. Why are you trying to lynch him them?
Hackity-slash, no lynch, night two, day two. Drixx is dead. An odd choice it'd seem, if it wasn't for the fact that offing him wouldn't draw attention to anyone. Anyone besides RK, who is currently confirmed to be a townie with our fellow Drixx.
Next up:
Moar's post that's just finger pointing at me, goltar and "OH SNAP! I was wrong about Drixx."
Yes, he could've had a role. But why didn't the mafia pick someone else like Moar or you? Oh, wait.
Next up:
This one's easy. Moar tries to shut him up with the added benefit of making it look like he's being protected from xduckster. Some fingers pointed.
Next:
Oh, so now, they're setting up Moar. How convenient. I'm being led by the nose, funny, that means that people should discredit anything I say cause I'm a puppet and Rash is being so suspicious that he's being designated as a lynchee, trying to lift some work off you hands the easy way, eh?
Uh, what? OK.
In this piece you mark Rash as drawing too much attention. I.E. unsafe to kill at night.
Next, you draw attention to RK, who's apparently the VI:
A big post of nothing. You even say it yourself in the end. But it's all good as long as it occupies the townies. Except that jrla is labeled a townie, not attracting too much attention, a safe target to kill, mark this and remember it.
Here you state the importance of discussing townie roles (eh?) and vote for Rev, who's not the VI any more.
And here you unvote him until he gets back to being the idiot. Why would you vote for the VI, it's just a waste.
Basically, you're saying here, if someone tries to behave like the VI you'd off him, that's what you're saying.
Pretty much a self confession.
"He's not mafia, but since he's the most popular I'll just go with the flow."
We lynch Jae, and what do you know? jrla is dead. You're also promoting the idea that Jae is the crooked cop. I find that highly unlikely. I'm saying the crooked cop is just laying low, a clever ruse to throw us off, since you yourself pointed to Jae and VOTED for him.
This is a big post of "lets stare at eachother and make wild assumptions". Next one is basically saying that jrla's murde r doesn't lead anywere. How strange.
Here you point your finger to xduckster with the claim that he made up a quote. But instead you twist his words and call him a liar flat-out. Nice "discovery", eh?
You mark a certain behaviour mafiaish but you behave exactly the same way in your post. In most of your posts, if I dare say so myself. Pointing at random people and mostly bandwagoning. You're not? Then why did you vote for Jae? Why Rash, why RK?
So, that's basically what Moar did.
Brilliant. You used him as a magnet, to attract attention with his weird post, pretty much stopping the thought process of the town.
Because you know something that we don't? Also, no u.
Basically, you tell us that Rash is a mafia collaborator. Incidentally, him pointing out that doesn't mean anything since if one of the masons is dead the other one is just a townie, not a free kill.
A big table, AND. You tell us that the most likely mafiots are Jaago (dunno lol), Moar (wait! I thought she was being set up? Mark his suspicion of her, it'll come in play later), ToI (Townie, EOD) and Thyiad.
Now I see why you point her out as the VI, but that's just her normal demeanor, you can check last round and you'll see that's how she generally handles. Notice that at this point the suspicion for VI is switched away from RK and Sint votes for a townie yet again, stating that he'd look into Lister next. Eh?
Oh look here, ToI is a mafioso, bandwagon him!!!1 I mean liek he didn't participate in teh early stages. Notice how that is shifting suspicion back to the inactive roles. However Sint is now very active and is counting that everyone has forgotten his early game post.
Yet more finger pointing here, trying to discredit Rash, and calling for reasonable voting when this is not the thing he has been doing.
Here he calls for the town to NOT HAVE an actual strategy. Convenient? Then he asks for the townies with roles to step up because they haven't done anything yet. M'kay.
You're doing exactly the same that you claim Jaago is doing. Note how Sint claims that returning a vote is suspicious.
Notice that Moar returns my vote here. Notice how she's on Sint's "Suspicious people" list, yet he seems to ignore what's going on in the thread despite the fact that he voted for Jae under similar circumstances earlier. And rambles happily about Lister. The same Lister that pointed a finger at him. It only makes sense that Sint would try to discredit him now. Then Sint blathers a tl;dr post about how he learned to play and stuff. Divert attention much?
Hackity-slash, night 3, day 3. Notice how RK who wasn't the prime candidate for the VI anymore got killed? Yea, thought so. Crooked cop is laying low, trying to instigate the idea that Jae had that role.
He claims that Moar was likely set up and he just stated that. I thought she was in your suspicious list? What happened with the sudden change of mind? Next, you try to discredit me by putting me together with a "known mafia member" lael.
If I was the cop and you were mafia I wouldn't just step up, since all 3 are still alive and that'd just mean I'll kill myself unless I reveal all 3. Asking for me to do so makes no sense if you're a townie.
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I haven't read the thread, yet, however I skimmed trough it and noted skool's post on the page before this one.
What does this mean? It means that he wasn't able to do anything during the night either.
Coincidence? I think not. His next post is as follows:
It doesn't mean much, if anything by itself. However, it was followed by:
This still doesn't mean much BUT two posts later:
It seems to reinforce his point about Brak, however, Brak stated that he's not starting a bandwagon, and does not want to lynch SkunkBelly. Why are you trying to lynch him them?
Hackity-slash, no lynch, night two, day two. Drixx is dead. An odd choice it'd seem, if it wasn't for the fact that offing him wouldn't draw attention to anyone. Anyone besides RK, who is currently confirmed to be a townie with our fellow Drixx.
Next up:
Moar's post that's just finger pointing at me, goltar and "OH SNAP! I was wrong about Drixx."
Yes, he could've had a role. But why didn't the mafia pick someone else like Moar or you? Oh, wait.
Next up:
This one's easy. Moar tries to shut him up with the added benefit of making it look like he's being protected from xduckster. Some fingers pointed.
Next:
Okay about Drixx:
He had contact with more people then his posts showed on first sight...
He met Brak twice. First suspiciously lying low and the second time perhaps being the
crooked detective.
Goltar once..
cygnus once..
Rev twice, he voted against Rev and the second time said he might be the village idiot.
moar once, voted for him.
All of the "contacts" don't seem that interesting however if you combine it with my last post (about CDRT) you can see they both get Moar back in it. I still don't know for sure, but to me it looks like a set up. Both aren't that obvious (easy to look over and think ''that's not too much''), but also not hard to find (both are votes). Before I truly make up my mind if it's a set up, coincidence or bad play I'm going to point my finger..
Nikon suspects Moar which is probably genuine.. can't tell that (so if it's a set up he might still be a normal townie maybe not even noticing it), however it is the second time Rash jumped on the band wagon ''voting along'' with someone.
Rash, you seem good on day one, but you mess up hopping along someone. Please explain your votes more before making them (that goes for the opening vote today too).. If I were you I would've waited for Nikon's reply to Moar before doing anything.
Vote Rash
Oh, so now, they're setting up Moar. How convenient. I'm being led by the nose, funny, that means that people should discredit anything I say cause I'm a puppet and Rash is being so suspicious that he's being designated as a lynchee, trying to lift some work off you hands the easy way, eh?
Uh, what? OK.
In this piece you mark Rash as drawing too much attention. I.E. unsafe to kill at night.
Next, you draw attention to RK, who's apparently the VI:
A big post of nothing. You even say it yourself in the end. But it's all good as long as it occupies the townies. Except that jrla is labeled a townie, not attracting too much attention, a safe target to kill, mark this and remember it.
Here you state the importance of discussing townie roles (eh?) and vote for Rev, who's not the VI any more.
And here you unvote him until he gets back to being the idiot. Why would you vote for the VI, it's just a waste.
Basically, you're saying here, if someone tries to behave like the VI you'd off him, that's what you're saying.
Pretty much a self confession.
"He's not mafia, but since he's the most popular I'll just go with the flow."
We lynch Jae, and what do you know? jrla is dead. You're also promoting the idea that Jae is the crooked cop. I find that highly unlikely. I'm saying the crooked cop is just laying low, a clever ruse to throw us off, since you yourself pointed to Jae and VOTED for him.
This is a big post of "lets stare at eachother and make wild assumptions". Next one is basically saying that jrla's murde r doesn't lead anywere. How strange.
Here you point your finger to xduckster with the claim that he made up a quote. But instead you twist his words and call him a liar flat-out. Nice "discovery", eh?
You mark a certain behaviour mafiaish but you behave exactly the same way in your post. In most of your posts, if I dare say so myself. Pointing at random people and mostly bandwagoning. You're not? Then why did you vote for Jae? Why Rash, why RK?
So, that's basically what Moar did.
Brilliant. You used him as a magnet, to attract attention with his weird post, pretty much stopping the thought process of the town.
Because you know something that we don't? Also, no u.
Basically, you tell us that Rash is a mafia collaborator. Incidentally, him pointing out that doesn't mean anything since if one of the masons is dead the other one is just a townie, not a free kill.
A big table, AND. You tell us that the most likely mafiots are Jaago (dunno lol), Moar (wait! I thought she was being set up? Mark his suspicion of her, it'll come in play later), ToI (Townie, EOD) and Thyiad.
Now I see why you point her out as the VI, but that's just her normal demeanor, you can check last round and you'll see that's how she generally handles. Notice that at this point the suspicion for VI is switched away from RK and Sint votes for a townie yet again, stating that he'd look into Lister next. Eh?
Oh look here, ToI is a mafioso, bandwagon him!!!1 I mean liek he didn't participate in teh early stages. Notice how that is shifting suspicion back to the inactive roles. However Sint is now very active and is counting that everyone has forgotten his early game post.
Yet more finger pointing here, trying to discredit Rash, and calling for reasonable voting when this is not the thing he has been doing.
Here he calls for the town to NOT HAVE an actual strategy. Convenient? Then he asks for the townies with roles to step up because they haven't done anything yet. M'kay.
You're doing exactly the same that you claim Jaago is doing. Note how Sint claims that returning a vote is suspicious.
Notice that Moar returns my vote here. Notice how she's on Sint's "Suspicious people" list, yet he seems to ignore what's going on in the thread despite the fact that he voted for Jae under similar circumstances earlier. And rambles happily about Lister. The same Lister that pointed a finger at him. It only makes sense that Sint would try to discredit him now. Then Sint blathers a tl;dr post about how he learned to play and stuff. Divert attention much?
Hackity-slash, night 3, day 3. Notice how RK who wasn't the prime candidate for the VI anymore got killed? Yea, thought so. Crooked cop is laying low, trying to instigate the idea that Jae had that role.
He claims that Moar was likely set up and he just stated that. I thought she was in your suspicious list? What happened with the sudden change of mind? Next, you try to discredit me by putting me together with a "known mafia member" lael.
If I was the cop and you were mafia I wouldn't just step up, since all 3 are still alive and that'd just mean I'll kill myself unless I reveal all 3. Asking for me to do so makes no sense if you're a townie.
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LORD NIKON
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@SiTro:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5799764&postcount=453
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5799967&postcount=457
Sint and Moar voting for Jae. They were from the last voters. Also note how Sint say "I'm going away, can't change my vote no matter what, sorry". They "helped" poor Jae a bit it seems
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5799764&postcount=453
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5799967&postcount=457
Sint and Moar voting for Jae. They were from the last voters. Also note how Sint say "I'm going away, can't change my vote no matter what, sorry". They "helped" poor Jae a bit it seems
Sir Lister of Smeg
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<there was a lot before this, but since I would feel obliged to reply to the whole monster and mainly wanted to react to this, I'm only quoting this>
If I would be the cop, I think I would already step up after having identified two mafia members. With one mafia member left, the town has a reasonable chance of winning, and perishing, either because of being lynched or because of being murdered, would have the cop take too much information into his/her grave. The only thing is that in order to get the trust of the townies you'd also have to have investigated one or more of the townies with a special role (since someone posing as a cop could simply guess the roles as plain townies) and reveal that, giving the one remaining mafia member an incentive to kill them.
If the cop is still alive, I'd expect him or her to have investigated me after my behaviour yesterday. This unless of course the cop had already investigated me earlier. From the ones that suspected me already earlier, I expect to have investigated me already earlier, so I can at least be sure that neither Jaago (who voted for me on the first day, and now again) nor Rashiminos (who voted on me on everyday apart from the first) is the cop unless they did not investigate according to their suspicions.
If I would be the cop, I think I would already step up after having identified two mafia members. With one mafia member left, the town has a reasonable chance of winning, and perishing, either because of being lynched or because of being murdered, would have the cop take too much information into his/her grave. The only thing is that in order to get the trust of the townies you'd also have to have investigated one or more of the townies with a special role (since someone posing as a cop could simply guess the roles as plain townies) and reveal that, giving the one remaining mafia member an incentive to kill them.
If the cop is still alive, I'd expect him or her to have investigated me after my behaviour yesterday. This unless of course the cop had already investigated me earlier. From the ones that suspected me already earlier, I expect to have investigated me already earlier, so I can at least be sure that neither Jaago (who voted for me on the first day, and now again) nor Rashiminos (who voted on me on everyday apart from the first) is the cop unless they did not investigate according to their suspicions.
About Nikon's monster post: changing stance from one day to another, or even over the course of a day isn't prima facie suspicious. So Sin't initially thought Moar was suspicious and later changed his opinion, and again, initially thought RK was VI but later voted for his lynching. No that's doesn't make him a mafioso, but it's certainly worth keeping in mind.
On the same note, Rash's attack on Lister doesn't convince me either.
We've only had four nights so far, and there's a good chance the cop wasn't active on night 0. I don't know how you expect the cop to have identified you by now. Actually, it makes more sense for the cop to identify the least suspicious people. No point identifying those already targeted for a lynching as the cop is unlikely to be able to prevent a lynching at this stage without attracting attention.
Rash's post may not have made me suspicious of you, but this one certainly does. You seem to be saying: "hey cop, investigate me! I'm townie" and "hey townies, the cop knows who I am and if I was mafia (s)he would have told you by now". Nice try.
Vote: Sir Lister
@Moar: don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. You are still on my suspicious list :smiley:
On the same note, Rash's attack on Lister doesn't convince me either.
We've only had four nights so far, and there's a good chance the cop wasn't active on night 0. I don't know how you expect the cop to have identified you by now. Actually, it makes more sense for the cop to identify the least suspicious people. No point identifying those already targeted for a lynching as the cop is unlikely to be able to prevent a lynching at this stage without attracting attention.
Rash's post may not have made me suspicious of you, but this one certainly does. You seem to be saying: "hey cop, investigate me! I'm townie" and "hey townies, the cop knows who I am and if I was mafia (s)he would have told you by now". Nice try.
Vote: Sir Lister
@Moar: don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. You are still on my suspicious list :smiley:
Sorry it took me so long to get this out. There are 17 alive so it does only take 9 votes to lynch.
Alive (17)
xduckster
Sir Lister of Smeg
Jaago
LORD NIKON
Moar
muzzz
Rashiminos
Sint Nikolaas
Cygnus
Thyiad
skunkbelly
SiTro
GoHabsGo
goltar25
Brak
water_moon
CDRToast
Dead (5)
Drixx (car accident)
Jaedhann (burned at the stake)
Jrlafrance (teddy bear accident)
RevenantsKnight
TouchOfInsanity
In Prison (0)
No One
Alive (17)
xduckster
Sir Lister of Smeg
Jaago
LORD NIKON
Moar
muzzz
Rashiminos
Sint Nikolaas
Cygnus
Thyiad
skunkbelly
SiTro
GoHabsGo
goltar25
Brak
water_moon
CDRToast
Dead (5)
Drixx (car accident)
Jaedhann (burned at the stake)
Jrlafrance (teddy bear accident)
RevenantsKnight
TouchOfInsanity
In Prison (0)
No One
Sir Lister of Smeg
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You have a point. But the cop can give subtle hints to people that (s)he has identified as to them having their roles. Since a lot of people seem to say what they think about other people's roles the cop can even do that without becoming automatically candidate number one to be murdered by the mafia.
But if the cop were to say what they found out, would people believe him/her? Maybe, maybe not, and If they said ... look i'm the cop, this person is definately mafia, would we believe them or think it was mafia being tricky?
Here's my problem... if Jaedann was the crooked cop (possible as we have had noone taken in custody in the past 2 days) then people that voted for him are probably not mafia especially seeing as it was a close vote iirc, and they could have turned the voting away from him if he were mafia, therefore moar and sint (who are my 2 biggest suspects) are probably not mafia, unless they sacrificed one of their own to hide themselves (doubtful).
If the crooked cop is simply lying low pretending to be dead (real possibility), then they (Moar and Sint) are still very much suspicious...
In all I still think Moar is mafia, and Sint is also...
Vote: Sint Nikolaas
Here's my problem... if Jaedann was the crooked cop (possible as we have had noone taken in custody in the past 2 days) then people that voted for him are probably not mafia especially seeing as it was a close vote iirc, and they could have turned the voting away from him if he were mafia, therefore moar and sint (who are my 2 biggest suspects) are probably not mafia, unless they sacrificed one of their own to hide themselves (doubtful).
If the crooked cop is simply lying low pretending to be dead (real possibility), then they (Moar and Sint) are still very much suspicious...
In all I still think Moar is mafia, and Sint is also...
Vote: Sint Nikolaas
I think the crooked cop is likely still alive as well. To have hit that role on our first lynch is fairly low odds, low enough for me to believe the opposite. What concerned me was the way Lord Nikon took that as certain, without allowing room for the fact that we might have killed the crooked detective. It made me wonder if he knew the crooked detective to be alive or if I was just getting that impression from his style of posting.
Thanks for listing those posts though, I appreciate seeing where you're coming from.
Thanks for listing those posts though, I appreciate seeing where you're coming from.
Sitro, when we lynched Jaedhann, skoolbus wrote that there was a "peculiar" absence from the lynching. Now, analyzing that statement (no offense, but I'm getting a bit tired of repeating this, maybe I won't be mostly ignored this time). We lynched Jaedhann, so obviously he was there. CDRToast was in custody at the time, so obviously he wouldn't be there, so his absence would not be peculiar (contrary to Rash's opinion). If Jaedhann were mafia, and the other mafia members weren't watching the lynching, then there should have been two missing, unless Jaedhann AND CDRToast were mafia, and the crooked detective had taken another mafia member into custody the "first" night. I find that scenario VERY unlikely. Of all the other roles, the only role that makes any sense to have an absence would be if Jaedhann was one of the masons, and the other didn't watch the lynching.
So, logically, Jaedhann was one of the two masons. We goofed on our first lynch.
I'm going to stick to my previous suspicions, since nobody has done anything to significantly change them.
Vote: Thyiad
So, logically, Jaedhann was one of the two masons. We goofed on our first lynch.
I'm going to stick to my previous suspicions, since nobody has done anything to significantly change them.
Vote: Thyiad
Rashiminos
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I was right about him too, at least the part where he was on the town's side. He wasn't quite the witness I would have thought him to be. Funny how he died the night after skoolbus made the witness-related post though.
Same here. Skoolbus is refering to Jaedhann, of course. Any sort of hint would be unfair to the mafia.
If the missing person was dead, why would it be peculiar for them to be missing? He specifically said that the absence was peculiar. I'm using that word as much as I am because that's the exact word he used.
Emphasis mine.
Oh, Cygnus, how could Jaedhann be absent from his own killing?
Emphasis mine.
Oh, Cygnus, how could Jaedhann be absent from his own killing?
RK's posts from the point he stopped playing the fool:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5798006&postcount=419
He's mildly suspicious of goltar, thinks Rash is ok
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5802498&postcount=466
Asks Jaago his reasons for a vote/accusation.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5803999&postcount=514
Doesn't add much that's of use to us now, only somewhat concerned about Rash's early vote
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5804519&postcount=528
Suspicious of Nikon and Thyiad, partly because of low post count, partly because of early votes. Possibly suspicious of Sint. Defends Lister.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5804591&postcount=532
Defends Lister again.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5808771&postcount=580
Suspicious: Nikon
Not: Rash, Moar
"Somewhat odd": GoHabsGo
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5808792&postcount=581
Editorial remarks are IMO, of course
Not sure what to make of it. Liked Lister and Rash, didn't like Nikon. I doubt the mafia thought he was on to something.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5798006&postcount=419
He's mildly suspicious of goltar, thinks Rash is ok
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5802498&postcount=466
Asks Jaago his reasons for a vote/accusation.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5803999&postcount=514
Doesn't add much that's of use to us now, only somewhat concerned about Rash's early vote
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5804519&postcount=528
Suspicious of Nikon and Thyiad, partly because of low post count, partly because of early votes. Possibly suspicious of Sint. Defends Lister.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5804591&postcount=532
Defends Lister again.
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5808771&postcount=580
Suspicious: Nikon
Not: Rash, Moar
"Somewhat odd": GoHabsGo
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5808792&postcount=581
Editorial remarks are IMO, of course
Not sure what to make of it. Liked Lister and Rash, didn't like Nikon. I doubt the mafia thought he was on to something.
Nobody's noted missing during the actual lynching, but one person's missing as people leave. Naturally, it's the person that's now ashes.
Why would the absence of anyone be peculiar? Not everyone voted for his lynching, and it's not a stretch to think those who didn't vote for (for? shouldn't that be against?) him would skip the ceremony. The absence of someone who voted for him would be peculiar, but if Jae was a mason as you claim, why would his fellow mason vote for him? Doesn't add up. I still think you're reading too much into skoolbus' words.
