OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

[SiTro]

Currently I'm coming round to the idea that the mafia trio is Jaago, Moar and RK more and more. Moar may have made a 'slipup' in what she did or did not imply in one of her posts, and while not under her control, maybe she does have a night role due to her replacing Neskja. So perhaps she's trying to lie fairly low. This would be made easier by RK's acting, until it got to the point where he felt he had to act sensible in order to save his behind.

Now we get to Jaago, who as well as causing a few other players alarm (Sint: Lack of contribution while pointing out a general lack of contribution, Cygnus: aroused SUSPICION somehow on the first day) has been glossing over the cracks in the other two's defenses. There's his quote of RK vindicating him by pointing out RK's intent to play in Noodle's style regardless of role. Then there's his "she can be lynched later" comment as he unvotes her on day 2.

This is the fly in the ointment of my argument. If Jaago, RK and Moar are the mafia, why is Jaago making such a case to vote for Moar? I think it's a smokescreen of sorts. Yesterday and today he's voted for Moar early on, then changed his vote when another player seems to have a popular opinion going against them. Now he's voted for Moar again. And with her at 7 votes (I believe, quick count), it's not a safe tactic if they both are mafia. So I'm prepared to believe Moar is innocent, but hold on to my notion of RK and Jaago being dodgy.

This is tricky.

 

[SiTro]

Before I go,

Vote: Jaago

 

[Brak]

OK no time for a post here. But due to the conflicts of Lister's previous posts referenced prior I'm voting for him.

vote: Lister

 

[skoolbus1]

Vote Tally
GoHabsGo (1)
Thyiad (1)
goltar25 (1)
Jaago (2)
Moar (6)
Rashiminos (1)
LORD NIKON (2)
Sint Nikolaas (1)
Sir Lister of Smeg (1)


Also, if you hadn't figured it out from Touch's post, he was a townie, I guess he can't be replaces. I suppose it will even out with the lack of a murder on night one.

This day will end when I wake up and alert tomorrow, either ~8 hours from now, or up to ~14 hours from now, so best do your business before then.

 

[Rashiminos]

OK no time for a post here. But due to the conflicts of Lister's previous posts referenced prior I'm voting for him.

vote: Lister

You know, I'd like people to go back and read lister's posts, so they can see what I am trying to say, or at least dispute my claims, but they seem too dead set on Moar to change this late in the day, so my vote will have to remain where it is.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

You know, I'd like people to go back and read lister's posts, so they can see what I am trying to say, or at least dispute my claims, but they seem too dead set on Moar to change this late in the day, so my vote will have to remain where it is.

I'm sorry Rashiminos, part of this is yet again bullocks. If you think I'm mafia and Moar is not, then you have no reason to vote for Moar, unless you're the one dead set on lynching someone. If you think both Moar and me are mafia, then your argument on not changing your vote holds, but then, why didn't you at least try to indicate in the above post that you think Moar is mafia?

Also, it would be nice if people would go a bit further than Brak did, not mainly go by the possible inconsistencies in my posts that Rashiminos pointed out, but read my posts one by one, in other words, go over the thread from the beginning and think for themselves. It's possible they get to the same conclusions as Rashiminos, but it's also possible they don't. It's certainly not a bad idea if they compare their interpretation with Rashiminos', but first they should get their own interpretation instead of following the mafioso Rashiminos in his interpretation of my posts. Anyhow, do the same as well for the posts by Rashiminos, Sint Nikolaas, Jaago, Thyiad, RevenantsKnight and the late Jaedhan. It's probably even better to add in all the others as well. Yes it means going through the whole thread 21 times (since Skoolbus said that TouchOfInsanity is now out and was a townie, but reading the posts by the dead is certainly still worth it to get some idea about them as well) each time checking for posts by a single inhabitant of our town (and only one, so you get a clear picture of each posting behaviour in that pass), but that's better than letting yourself be led as sheep to the slaughter by the mafioso Rashiminos. If you're going to do the latter then we might as well declare a mafia victory straight away by collectively commiting suicide.

 

[LORD NIKON]

Your post certainly seems... interesting Lister.

You're trying to divert attention from youself to the more active posters it seems... however your list starts with Rashiminos - the biggest thorn in your side, then works down through others with poor Jaedhann the lynchee slapped on in the end for more posterity. But what about jrla? Oh yes, I almost forgot, you mention him together with the others... seems a bit odd, doesn't it?

But let us give you the merit of doubt and check the posts... oh wait, you advocate NOT to do it because "it would simply take too much time". What do you know? Well played sir, but if we follow your ideas we might as well declare a mafia victory straight away by collectively commiting suicide.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

Your post certainly seems... interesting Lister.

You're trying to divert attention from youself to the more active posters it seems... however your list starts with Rashiminos - the biggest thorn in your side, then works down through others with poor Jaedhann the lynchee slapped on in the end for more posterity. But what about jrla? Oh yes, I almost forgot, you mention him together with the others... seems a bit odd, doesn't it?

But let us give you the merit of doubt and check the posts... oh wait, you advocate NOT to do it because "it would simply take too much time". What do you know? Well played sir, but if we follow your ideas we might as well declare a mafia victory straight away by collectively commiting suicide.

I'm sorry, but what I said was first check those who are most suspicious. I'm sure I wrote that I do advocate to check everyone, just those that are most suspicious, and yes that includes myself, first. I don't see how checking everyone on their own merit would be suicide, following Rashiminos like sheep is however.

What's so odd about the way I mentioned the late Jrlafrance? I did not mention him as a possible mafia member since he was murdered. The only one of the dead I mentioned explicitly was Jaedhan (who was suspicious in my eyes). On another note, why do you mention the late Jrlafrance and not the late Drixx who was also murdered and not lynched? So he was either a townie (possibly with another role) or the village idiot. Why check his posts as well? In order to decide what he was or what the mafia thought he was.

Now isn't that a kick in the head. My posts are different? Please tell me how. Seriously I am trying to make some logic of this game and think things trough before I post and because I ''didn't make any suspicious moves'' I'm suspicious? Great reasoning there... Oh and Rash and me have been on the same team the whole game ofcourse, mainly because we haven't had contact. Oh no wait that must be another reason that we're in it together, because we're not doing anything together. Funny how the 3rd person can be one of 4(!), while I'm pretty much already picked.

Oh the same post:

After that, how can you give such a reason for me being mafia. Seriously get your act together...


Or do you already have your act together.

I got the feeling that you're posts are different I cannot do much more than advising people to read your posts in the previous games. As Brak mentioned as well, there were unfortunately only a few before you were murdered. Why I think you're the evil genius and not for example Rashiminos? Apart from your posts ringing several bells, you're one of the people who've played this game before, also in a live setting (you mentioned that, I think, before the start of the first game). Also you're a mathematician (at least you hinted at that in one of your posts in this thread) and as such one of the few whom I consider capable of being the evil genius. I know that sounds arrogant since I'm a mathematician as well and as such also a candidate for the same role (as Rashiminos has time and again insinuated).

As to the `nearly' you underlined, bolded, and emphasized, I did not put all my cards on the table since I did not reveal what my role is, the only things I revealed about my role is that I'm neither mafia nor village idiot. The only time when it makes sense to reveal my role (if any apart from being a townie) is when I'm sure I'll be lynched that same day, which I expect to be tomorrow unless the mafia kills me beforehand. I'm not sure whether it's in the interest of the mafia to have me reveal my role or not, what they'll think about that will likely determine whether they'll kill me tonight or have me lynched tomorrow.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

@Skoolbus: am I correct in assuming that the person you made witness does not have any other special role?
Also, you mentioned that it could be one of the dead people, did you include them to assign the witness or not? I hope you did not sinc eit would change the course of the game in a bad way, but if you did, and it was Jaedhan than nothing changes, if it was Drixx or Jrlafrance however, could you release the name of the murderer as soon as possible?

Skoolbus, could you please answer this?

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Lister: your reasoning doesn't add up. All you're saying is: I got this feeling, if you want to know go read his posts. I mean, what is that about? If you see it, why not share what is so different?

I got the feeling that you're posts are different

Apart from your posts ringing several bells,

Well, that was fast, in only a few sentences I go from ''a feeling'' to ''setting of several bells''.

you're one of the people who've played this game before, also in a live setting (you mentioned that, I think, before the start of the first game). Also you're a mathematician (at least you hinted at that in one of your posts in this thread) and as such one of the few whom I consider capable of being the evil genius. I know that sounds arrogant since I'm a mathematician as well and as such also a candidate for the same role (as Rashiminos has time and again insinuated).

Yeah I played before, as have several other others (I know a few, but probably more). Does that mean I can work up a rouse likely to overthrow 15 others? I never played over the internet nor without revealing roles. It is pretty much a different game. Or is it that because I played before my mind is more twisted then others? I think it comes down to normal thinking and I hardly can come up with all the stuff in this thread. I think the ''old'' player doesn't have that much of a lead on the ''new'' player. The way it's played here everyone can (and has to) decide for themselfs, use logic and can think forever before they post.
Also, I'm more likely to be the evil genius because I'm a mathematician? Seriously, please stop making rediculous claims like this. Next time you want to convince people why to vote for me, point out something written in my posts, tell people exactly why my posts differ and what sets off this feeling. Don't try to convince everyone with this feeling, evil genius and posting oddness if all you have to back it up is ''read all the posts again seperately''.

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For those interested: the way I learned this game was this:
Normal setup, all townies, cop, doc, several mafia. All action happened during the day, town had to communicate, look for mafia and think on who would be killed (in day and night, since the doc would need info too). At night everyone would leave their eyes closed and the narrator would go over the roles. He would say a role (say cop) and then proceed by calling out everyone's name. If the cop wanted to investigate he would wait untill the narrator called out the name he wanted to know, raise his hand, look up and see if the narrator nodded or shaked his head. Same with doc (closed eyes, raised hand at the name to safe) and mafia (they had to communicate during the day on who to kill and they would only get a kill if all of them raised their hands at the same time at a name in the night).
This game had a lot of tells, people acting shifty, people trying to communicate trough eye contact or nodding, sounds of raising arms at night etc. It was quite amusing because of that. Also, the town got 2 chances a day to vote someone out. First they would just discuss what was going on in general and if someone wanted to vote they would say so. Then he had to amke a case against the votee, next the votee would make his defence and then the town would vote (3,2,1,vote) by raising hands. 2 of those ''trials'' a day. Very hard game, especially if you play it half drunk on a university trip where the general consencus was to goof off...

 

[Rashiminos]

I'm sorry Rashiminos, part of this is yet again bullocks. If you think I'm mafia and Moar is not, then you have no reason to vote for Moar, unless you're the one dead set on lynching someone. If you think both Moar and me are mafia, then your argument on not changing your vote holds, but then, why didn't you at least try to indicate in the above post that you think Moar is mafia?

No, I still believe Moar is mafia for mentioning Lord Nikon was "still suspicious" when that was the first time she mentioned him. Her smiley reaction when bringing up post 222 in which she disagreed with Lord Nikon about the topic of no lynching without saying she suspected him just seemed way too unusual. I'm just more confident about a Lister vote as compared to a Moar vote.

 

[Jaago]

Wow. Everybody's so indecisive today. There's like an hour to sunset and votes are still more or less scattered. I wish you people would help the cause and put your votes on less people so we can vote someone out today, only the mafia is benefiting from this sloppiness.

I think it's 10 votes to lynch today.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

Lister: your reasoning doesn't add up. All you're saying is: I got this feeling, if you want to know go read his posts. I mean, what is that about? If you see it, why not share what is so different?


Well, that was fast, in only a few sentences I go from ''a feeling'' to ''setting of several bells''.

Yeah I played before, as have several other others (I know a few, but probably more). Does that mean I can work up a rouse likely to overthrow 15 others? I never played over the internet nor without revealing roles. It is pretty much a different game. Or is it that because I played before my mind is more twisted then others? I think it comes down to normal thinking and I hardly can come up with all the stuff in this thread. I think the ''old'' player doesn't have that much of a lead on the ''new'' player. The way it's played here everyone can (and has to) decide for themselfs, use logic and can think forever before they post.
Also, I'm more likely to be the evil genius because I'm a mathematician? Seriously, please stop making rediculous claims like this. Next time you want to convince people why to vote for me, point out something written in my posts, tell people exactly why my posts differ and what sets off this feeling. Don't try to convince everyone with this feeling, evil genius and posting oddness if all you have to back it up is ''read all the posts again seperately''.

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For those interested: the way I learned this game was this:
Normal setup, all townies, cop, doc, several mafia. All action happened during the day, town had to communicate, look for mafia and think on who would be killed (in day and night, since the doc would need info too). At night everyone would leave their eyes closed and the narrator would go over the roles. He would say a role (say cop) and then proceed by calling out everyone's name. If the cop wanted to investigate he would wait untill the narrator called out the name he wanted to know, raise his hand, look up and see if the narrator nodded or shaked his head. Same with doc (closed eyes, raised hand at the name to safe) and mafia (they had to communicate during the day on who to kill and they would only get a kill if all of them raised their hands at the same time at a name in the night).
This game had a lot of tells, people acting shifty, people trying to communicate trough eye contact or nodding, sounds of raising arms at night etc. It was quite amusing because of that. Also, the town got 2 chances a day to vote someone out. First they would just discuss what was going on in general and if someone wanted to vote they would say so. Then he had to amke a case against the votee, next the votee would make his defence and then the town would vote (3,2,1,vote) by raising hands. 2 of those ''trials'' a day. Very hard game, especially if you play it half drunk on a university trip where the general consencus was to goof off...

That way of playing certainly sounds interesting, and probably easier to play for the townies due to other indications. The only odd thing: why only half drunk?

For the rest, I do agree with you that I'm not playing it well and my arguments might seem bad or not even arguments, but since the mafia seems to be playing actively instead of lying low this time, I decided to go for a more aggressive playstyle as well, even if that will mean quick and certain death, by now, turning away from it won't save me from being killed (either by the mafia or by the mob) anyway. As to why asking people to go over posts by themselves? I want people to do that and based on those posts get some idea, instead of one person standing up and interpreting it for everyone, especially since that one person could very well be mafia.

Now I can for example claim that there are people who claimed that they were quoted wrongly, but you won't know that unless you go through the posts instead of taking mine or anyone elses word for it. In the same way, I claim that I'm almost sure that Sint is the evil genius of the mafia and Rashiminos is it's mouthpiece and that I don't know who the third is, but I have more suspicions towards certain people (Jaago, Jaedhan, RevenantsKnight, and Thyiad) than towards others (although all except Drixx, Jrlafrance and TouchOfInsanity) are suspicious. Now you could take those claims and believe or disbelieve them straight away, or instead go through them and decide whether they have any merit. I suggest strongly to do the latter. I realize that my own aggressive style in this game isn't one that will likely be labeled as unsuspicious, although some did so in the beginning when I was a bit more subtle, but to just believe someone's word on my posts that they make clear that I'm mafia, even if an individual post of mine activates the air-raid alarm is just plain stupid since the one who interpretates my posts is a mafia candidate himself.

 

[LORD NIKON]

And yet more of the same drivel? So, now I'm mafia too because I said your post labels you as one yourself? Tsk, tsk.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

No, I still believe Moar is mafia for mentioning Lord Nikon was "still suspicious" when that was the first time she mentioned him. Her smiley reaction when bringing up post 222 in which she disagreed with Lord Nikon about the topic of no lynching without saying she suspected him just seemed way too unusual. I'm just more confident about a Lister vote as compared to a Moar vote.

You do have a point, but I'm first going to go through all her posts to see if there is any reason to lynch her.

Anyway, on the topic of lynching or not lynching. Quite a few people have switched back and forth between preferring to lynch and preferring not to lynch. Saying such odd things as lynching a townie is better for the town than not lynching anyone. I think that if there is anything benefitting the mafia, it's the town not having a clue and nevertheless lynching (due to the mafia lying low and several townies somehow being suspicious).

@Lord_Nikon: I assume that was directed at me, but where did I say you're mafia?

 

[SiTro]

We have about half an hour to go then, no change in voting since skoolbus' last post, and need to keep lynching people as the mafia won't kill themselves for us. If people are undecided in their decisions they'd better argue them out fast, at least for today.

 

[LORD NIKON]

So, you're just ignoring my posts then? Goodie.

 

[skoolbus1]

It would seem once again that there are no quarrels between the townsfolk. As the sun sets, night four begins.

@ Sir Lister, The witness has no other role, they were previously a regular townie, it could be a dead person, I did include them in my selection, but I will tell everyone it was not a person who was mudered, if it had been, I would have revealed a mafia member (when I selected, I just hoped it wouldn't be so I wouldn't have to reveal a mafia member a long time after they had died and it turned out to work). Once again, the witness does not know who they are, but everyone else will if they get murdered.

I need pm's from everyone who needs to pm me.

edit: Lister and I posted at the same time, that's why his post is after mine, but wait until morning before any discussion of his post is done.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

So, you're just ignoring my posts then? Goodie.

See posts 615 at the end. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

Anyway, here's a list of Moar's posts, I hope I did not miss any:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=169
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=171
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=190
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=222
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=281
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=284
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=289
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=457
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=479
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=586
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5810481&postcount=597

 

[skoolbus1]

Sorry guys, I've been really busy today, this two minutes is all I can spare I'm afraid. Because I don't have any time, I don't have any little story, so I'll just say it, RevenantsKnight was murdered by the mafia last night. No one is being imprisoned today. This begins day four. I believe it takes ten votes to lynch. Sorry about not having more time.